Corey Kluber signs with Red Sox

[a700hitter]

Everything stinks about Duran. Even hinting about him starting in CF is sad.

Heee’s a bum, albeit a fast one.

[moonslav59]

Everything stinks about Duran. Even hinting about him starting in CF is sad.

 

LF would be sad- CF is frightening.

[notin]

Everything stinks about Duran. Even hinting about him starting in CF is sad.

 

The offensive part of his game is a work in progress. Certainly plenty of hitters have taken longer and been older before finally reaching some success.

 

The defensive part of his game looked hopeless. I don’t even mind the hallmark inside-the-park grand slam in which he looked truly awful. The Sox lost that game by over 10 runs. But the week before he misplaced a pop up in Oakland that allowed the eventual winning run to score. THAT was actually even worse…

[notin]

LF would be sad- CF is frightening.

 

Duran could still contribute as a pinch runner, bench bat and possibly even occasional DH vs RHP. Justin Turner isn’t exactly David Ortiz.

 

But his role should be 4th outfielder, 5th outfielder or trade bait…

[mvp 78]

Duran will turn 27 next season. Anything about his offense beimg a work in progress is embarrassing.

 

DFA’able.

[moonslav59]

Duran will turn 27 next season. Anything about his offense beimg a work in progress is embarrassing.

 

DFA’able.

 

335 PAs is that definitive?

[Old Red]

Duran will turn 27 next season. Anything about his offense beimg a work in progress is embarrassing.

 

DFA’able.

 

He should have gone with Jeter.

[notin]

335 PAs is that definitive?

 

335 PAs ago, he was the next best thing - just being held back for no reason. Now half a season’s worth of plate appearances later he should just get cut…

[Jasonbay44]

Jose Bautista was hitting .237 with horrendous defense at age 28 and then signed with his 5th team, the Toronto Blue Jays. Some guys are late bloomers.

 

Duran shouldn’t be handed anything, but if he figures it out, he has all the potential in the world.

[mvp 78]

335 PAs is that definitive?

 

What promise have you seen out of him? Dude can’t hit MLB velo. He has no defensive position. His power hasn’t played up in MLB.

[moonslav59]

335 PAs ago, he was the next best thing - just being held back for no reason. Now half a season’s worth of plate appearances later he should just get cut…

 

I was never high on him and must have traded him on BTV 20 times, but I've lost almost all faith in him. I do, however, think a few others should go before I totally give up on him. I'd start with Brasier and Ort.

 

I'd try to trade Dalbec before I'd cut Duran, especially when we have such weak depth in the OF and may need Kike in the middle IF, this season.

 

CF is insane, though, and again, I'm not sure why we keep overloading on LF-only types.

[mvp 78]

Dalbec > Duran

[moonslav59]

What promise have you seen out of him? Dude can’t hit MLB velo. He has no defensive position. His power hasn’t played up in MLB.

 

I see it as having less faith in Brasier and Ort and liking our pitching depth way more than our OF depth and middle IF depth which may force Kike to 2B or SS.

 

If we added Andrus and Michael Taylor, I'd think a bit differently about who goes next.

 

People gave up on Dalbec and look what happ... oh, wait!

[moonslav59]

Dalbec > Duran

 

Agreed, but we have 18 first basemen/DHs and 3 OF'ers, one of which might be starting at middle IF.

 

I also said, I'd trade Dalbec not DFA him before DFA'ing Duran.

 

Again, it's not out of any love or hope for Duran. We have Turner and Casas. Even Arroyo can play 1B better than Bobby Dee. Yoshida might, too, someday.

[cp176]

hmm mentioning Duran on the same page with Clemente? I'm still just 71 for a few more days. Maybe there is hope for me yet.lol

[moonslav59]

hmm mentioning Duran on the same page with Clemente? I'm still just 71 for a few more days. Maybe there is hope for me yet.lol

 

It wasn't in a flattering way...

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This is how bad it's gotten in Red Sox Nation. We are mulling the possibilities of starting a player in centerfield who has absolutely struggled in his big league career so far. He can't hit MLB pitching, can't catch MLB fly balls, and can't even make the right choices to always accompany his club to all MLB ballparks.

 

But there are reasons Jarren Duran got drafted, progressed through the minor leagues and made the majors. Many professional evaluators -- including none of us -- approved of his promotions.

 

As noted by others, many ballplayers are late bloomers (yes, pun intended, because even our favorite CBO reminds that not everything is linear... unless it's a line graph depicting the ups and downs of life in the fast lane). Surely make you lose your mind...

[moonslav59]

This is how bad it's gotten in Red Sox Nation. We are mulling the possibilities of starting a player in centerfield who has absolutely struggled in his big league career so far. He can't hit MLB pitching, can't catch MLB fly balls, and can't even make the right choices to always accompany his club to all MLB ballparks.

 

But there are reasons Jarren Duran got drafted, progressed through the minor leagues and made the majors. Many professional evaluators -- including none of us -- approved of his promotions.

 

As noted by others, many ballplayers are late bloomers (yes, pun intended, because even our favorite CBO reminds that not everything is linear... unless it's a line graph depicting the ups and downs of life in the fast lane). Surely make you lose your mind...

 

When Ellsbury came up, he struggled on defense, especially getting bad breaks and taking wrong routes to fly balls. He ended up doing okay and even pretty good on D.

 

It's not yet time to give up on Duran, but he shouldn't be our starting LF'er, let alone CF'er. He needs to re-earn a starting slot.

[mvp 78]

335 PAs is that definitive?

 

What's definitive is his offense REGRESSED last season. He's been in the system for 5 years. Not much meat left on that bone.

[Bellhorn04]

What's definitive is his offense REGRESSED last season. He's been in the system for 5 years. Not much meat left on that bone.

 

He's down to the last drumstick.

[mvp 78]

Jose Bautista was hitting .237 with horrendous defense at age 28 and then signed with his 5th team, the Toronto Blue Jays. Some guys are late bloomers.

 

Duran shouldn’t be handed anything, but if he figures it out, he has all the potential in the world.

 

Kind of unfair as he was on 4 teams in 2004 as a 23 year old.

 

Age 25 season with PIT: 16 HR, 58 R, 51 RBI, 96 wRC+. Duran didn't come close to this last year. Bautista had Duran's AAA BB and K rates.

Age 26 season with PIT: 15 HR, 75 R, 63 RBI, 97 wRC+. We'd all take that from Duran this season, but that is not going to happen.

[mvp 78]

Agreed, but we have 18 first basemen/DHs and 3 OF'ers, one of which might be starting at middle IF.

 

I also said, I'd trade Dalbec not DFA him before DFA'ing Duran.

 

Again, it's not out of any love or hope for Duran. We have Turner and Casas. Even Arroyo can play 1B better than Bobby Dee. Yoshida might, too, someday.

 

I'd consider giving Dalbec run as backup 3B/RF. He also still has options and can work on his fielding down in WOO for the first two months before feeding him into the fire ala Arroyo.

[redsoxrules]

When Ellsbury came up, he struggled on defense, especially getting bad breaks and taking wrong routes to fly balls. He ended up doing okay and even pretty good on D.

 

It's not yet time to give up on Duran, but he shouldn't be our starting LF'er, let alone CF'er. He needs to re-earn a starting slot.

 

It's not even close. Ellsbury was by far better defensively than Duran EVEN when he first came up. Duran posted a DRS of minus 7 last year. Ellsbury was a +3 in 2008. The Sox outfield is going to be s*** this year with Verdugo and Duran. Kike won't be enough to save them

[Bellhorn04]

It's not even close. Ellsbury was by far better defensively than Duran EVEN when he first came up. Duran posted a DRS of minus 7 last year. Ellsbury was a +3 in 2008. The Sox outfield is going to be s*** this year with Verdugo and Duran. Kike won't be enough to save them

 

Especially if they move Kike to the infield. Yikes!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's not even close. Ellsbury was by far better defensively than Duran EVEN when he first came up. Duran posted a DRS of minus 7 last year. Ellsbury was a +3 in 2008. The Sox outfield is going to be s*** this year with Verdugo and Duran. Kike won't be enough to save them

 

No shida.

[mvp 78]

This is how bad it's gotten in Red Sox Nation. We are mulling the possibilities of starting a player in centerfield who has absolutely struggled in his big league career so far. He can't hit MLB pitching, can't catch MLB fly balls, and can't even make the right choices to always accompany his club to all MLB ballparks.

 

But there are reasons Jarren Duran got drafted, progressed through the minor leagues and made the majors. Many professional evaluators -- including none of us -- approved of his promotions.

 

As noted by others, many ballplayers are late bloomers (yes, pun intended, because even our favorite CBO reminds that not everything is linear... unless it's a line graph depicting the ups and downs of life in the fast lane). Surely make you lose your mind...

 

Baseball history is littered with prospects that can't make the jump to the bigs. Duran is most likely one of them.

[mvp 78]

When Ellsbury came up, he struggled on defense, especially getting bad breaks and taking wrong routes to fly balls. He ended up doing okay and even pretty good on D.

 

It's not yet time to give up on Duran, but he shouldn't be our starting LF'er, let alone CF'er. He needs to re-earn a starting slot.

 

Unfair to compare Ellsbury 2007 to what we have seen from Duran in 2021 and 2022. Duran is just lost out there.

[Old Red]

Baseball history is littered with prospects that can't make the jump to the bigs. Duran is most likely one of them.

 

Not all minor league players are prospects, and some are just suspects, which is what Duran has become.

[moonslav59]

Unfair to compare Ellsbury 2007 to what we have seen from Duran in 2021 and 2022. Duran is just lost out there.

 

My point was to just say improvement is possible. Jake was never horrific, so yes, it's not a fair comp, but he improved a lot- enough to be a clear plus on D. If Duran can improve as much, he might reach close to average or below average but not horrific. (I don't see any signs to indicate he will.)

 

Jake in CF:

-13 DRS '07 to '09 and -0.9 UZR/150

+25 DRS '10-'13, including +13 his last season with the Sox. +8.0 UZR/150

 

Duran's numbers are off-the-chart bad:

631 innings

-14 DRS and -20.5 UXR/150

 

It took jake almost 2,000 innings to reach -13 DRS. it looks like Duran is 3 times as bad as Jake looked early on.

 

The comp is not a good one, but improvement was my point.

[mvp 78]

My point was to just say improvement is possible. Jake was never horrific, so yes, it's not a fair comp, but he improved a lot- enough to be a clear plus on D. If Duran can improve as much, he might reach close to average or below average but not horrific. (I don't see any signs to indicate he will.)

 

Jake in CF:

-13 DRS '07 to '09 and -0.9 UZR/150

+25 DRS '10-'13, including +13 his last season with the Sox. +8.0 UZR/150

 

Duran's numbers are off-the-chart bad:

631 innings

-14 DRS and -20.5 UXR/150

 

It took jake almost 2,000 innings to reach -13 DRS. it looks like Duran is 3 times as bad as Jake looked early on.

 

The comp is not a good one, but improvement was my point.

 

Ok, but we've had comparisons to Ellsbury and Jose Bautista when talking about Jarren f***ing Duran. I will delete my account if he has a 9.5 fWAR season or hits 50 bombs in a year in MLB. Both those guys ended with 30+ fWAR.