Xander Bogaerts has signed with San Diego Padres

[moonslav59]

Michael Conforto and Brandon Nimmo, born the same month, have played their entire MLB careers with the Mets, including six seasons as teammates in the Queens. Conforto, who did not play this year, has played 757 MLB games and Nimmo 608 games. Their career lines:

 

BN 608 G, .269/.385/.441/.827, OPS+ 130, 17.2 bWAR

MC 757 G, .255/.356/.468/.824, OPS+ 124, 15.7 bWAR

 

Nimmo has about four times as many plate appearances as Conforto has at the top of the order, but here are their career lines as leadoff hitters:

 

BN 1675 PA, .273/.380/.450/.829, tOPS+* 100

MC 414 PA, .258/.379/.504/.884, tOPS+* 114

 

Nimmo is projected to land a nine-figure contract while Conforto may need to settle for a one-year pillow contract. Of course, Conforto may be broken after undergoing shoulder surgery. Conforto's agent, Scott Boras, might tell teams otherwise.

* tOPS+ -- OPS for split relative to Player's Total OPS. Above 100 is good; below 100 is bad.

 

It does look like Conforto has high upside, and the one year deal mitigates the risk, somewhat.

[mvp 78]

Not getting the Conforto Love…

 

It's not "love," it's just that he's one of the few known available options.

[Hugh2]

Agreed . I just don't see how you sign them without those clauses (unless of course you agree to pay your workers fair-market value, which the RS won't do, unless it's a player no one has heard of or cares about).

 

I'm not 100% opposed to guys opting out at 30. Get them for 2-3 more years of their prime in their 30's and let someone else pay for their late 30's.

 

of course, this would be fine if the Sox actually retained some talent, which they don't. And when they do, it's the wrong guy (lately)

[moonslav59]

I'm not 100% opposed to guys opting out at 30. Get them for 2-3 more years of their prime in their 30's and let someone else pay for their late 30's.

 

of course, this would be fine if the Sox actually retained some talent, which they don't. And when they do, it's the wrong guy (lately)

 

But, wouldn't be that "someone else paying for their late 30's" had we retained Betts and Bogey?

[Bellhorn04]

But, wouldn't be that "someone else paying for their late 30's" had we retained Betts and Bogey?

 

With Betts and Bogey, someone else is getting all of their 30's - early and late.

[jad]

With Betts and Bogey, someone else is getting all of their 30's - early and late.

 

Devers is next. All of the cosplaying GMs and Fantasy fans can now relax and rejoice.

[Bellhorn04]

When history looks back on this, it'll be that lowball offer before this season that gets focused on, and rightly so. It was Lester Redux. Didn't learn a thing from past mistakes. That's what makes them look stupid.

[notin]

It's not "love," it's just that he's one of the few known available options.

 

From what I know of him, he’s far down my wish list…

[moonslav59]

When history looks back on this, it'll be that lowball offer before this season that gets focused on, and rightly so. It was Lester Redux. Didn't learn a thing from past mistakes. That's what makes them look stupid.

 

It is now a pattern. If they don't learn with Devers, they may never do it.

 

As you know, I'm all for Devers Forevers, but if we are going to lose him, we need to trade him, this winter.

[jacksonianmarch]

It is now a pattern. If they don't learn with Devers, they may never do it.

 

As you know, I'm all for Devers Forevers, but if we are going to lose him, we need to trade him, this winter.

 

Sox lost the Bogey derby by over $100 mil. What makes anyone think the Sox will be anywhere close to the final winner of the Devers derby?

[Bellhorn04]

Sox lost the Bogey derby by over $100 mil. What makes anyone think the Sox will be anywhere close to the final winner of the Devers derby?

 

It's a fair question. But for once the Sox FO might be feeling desperate. They know losing the whole triumvirate of Betts, Bogaerts and Devers would go down in history alongside the Ruth sale.

[Hugh2]

Why stop at not keeping our home grown talent. We can start trading our future stars before they even reach the majors!!!!! Mayer, Bleis, Yorke, Rafaela, Mata. Ship em all out for Reynolds and Murphy, snd. #2.

 

Hey. It be a decent team next yeat

[cp176]

I think that the approach of the franchise has definitely changed. I won't be putting any money on the comments that come out of the mouths of any of them. If they do not trade Devers, with the type of approach that it appears they have then they are fools basically. And personally if I actually listen to anything that they are saying about what they are trying to do contract wise, then I am a fool.

[a700hitter]

I think that the approach of the franchise has definitely changed. I won't be putting any money on the comments that come out of the mouths of any of them. If they do not trade Devers, with the type of approach that it appears they have then they are fools basically. And personally if I actually listen to anything that they are saying about what they are trying to do contract wise, then I am a fool.

Theo, Ben and DD would not lie to our faces like Bloom. They would not make a public show about trying to retain a player and then not make a competitive effort to retain a player. At Bloom’s introduction to the season ticket holders, he was put on the spot about Mookie. He said that it was the organization’s highest priority to make Mookie a Red Sox for life. A couple of weeks after that statement, the deadline passed for renewing season tickets. Two to three weeks after that renewal deadline, rumors of trading Mookie started to circulate. I told my friends not to worry that Bloom said that Mookie was the top priority. And then he was gone. I can’t trust the man after that. He made Mookie a top priority for 2-3 weeks. That is ********. And he basically pulled the same BS with Bogey.

[moonslav59]

Sox lost the Bogey derby by over $100 mil. What makes anyone think the Sox will be anywhere close to the final winner of the Devers derby?

 

Depends what he wants, but after watching the last few days, he will be wanting even more.

 

We lost Bogey, because we did not want him for near market value. That's what makes me think it might be different with Devers.

[moonslav59]

We can start trading our future stars before they even reach the majors!!!!! Mayer, Bleis, Yorke, Rafaela, Mata. Ship em all out for Reynolds and Murphy, snd. #2.

 

DD redux.

[mvp 78]

Why stop at not keeping our home grown talent. We can start trading our future stars before they even reach the majors!!!!! Mayer, Bleis, Yorke, Rafaela, Mata. Ship em all out for Reynolds and Murphy, snd. #2.

 

Hey. It be a decent team next yeat

 

Sounds great.

[mvp 78]

Theo, Ben and DD would not lie to our faces like Bloom. They would not make a public show about trying to retain a player and then not make a competitive effort to retain a player. At Bloom’s introduction to the season ticket holders, he was put on the spot about Mookie. He said that it was the organization’s highest priority to make Mookie a Red Sox for life. A couple of weeks after that statement, the deadline passed for renewing season tickets. Two to three weeks after that renewal deadline, rumors of trading Mookie started to circulate. I told my friends not to worry that Bloom said that Mookie was the top priority. And then he was gone. I can’t trust the man after that. He made Mookie a top priority for 2-3 weeks. That is ********. And he basically pulled the same BS with Bogey.

 

It just makes me sad.

[Jasonbay44]

It just makes me sad.

 

Sad is one word. It pisses me off.

[cp176]

It just makes me sad.

 

I'm with you. It makes me sad and no amount of winning is going to make me a fan of this crap.

[jacksonianmarch]

Depends what he wants, but after watching the last few days, he will be wanting even more.

 

We lost Bogey, because we did not want him for near market value. That's what makes me think it might be different with Devers.

 

Devers value due to his age is higher than anyone who hit the market this year. He won’t hit Judge’s AAV, but he might get 12-13 years

[jad]

I guess the kindest thing I can say is that there are fans (as I understand the meaning of the term), and then there are wannabe GMs, Fantasy sports addicts, and Fan-Fiction writers.

[moonslav59]

Devers value due to his age is higher than anyone who hit the market this year. He won’t hit Judge’s AAV, but he might get 12-13 years

 

You missed my point. The Sox might think Devers is worth a mega deal. They did not think Bogey was.

 

I know Devers will get more money and more years.

 

I'm not saying I know the Sox want him enough to give out that kind of deal, but if the want Devers is makes his case over Bogey's, who I think they never wanted to pay market value.

 

It's not that they are afraid to pay high market rates: it's they don't want to pay those rates to the wrong person.

 

Again, just my opinion, and maybe they don't value Devers highly, either. I know I do, so I'm hoping they do, too.

[Bobe2]

Devers value due to his age is higher than anyone who hit the market this year. He won’t hit Judge’s AAV, but he might get 12-13 years

 

I think if they can’t extend Devers this winter they trade him, get some more farm hands, I also believe that if Bogy didn’t have a no trade clause, he would have met the same fate as Mookie, Benny and possibly Devers, if they had really wanted to keep Bogaerts the $163 mil for six years they offered, had it been offered last spring he would still be a Red Sox

[Bellhorn04]

Theo, Ben and DD would not lie to our faces like Bloom. They would not make a public show about trying to retain a player and then not make a competitive effort to retain a player. At Bloom’s introduction to the season ticket holders, he was put on the spot about Mookie. He said that it was the organization’s highest priority to make Mookie a Red Sox for life. A couple of weeks after that statement, the deadline passed for renewing season tickets. Two to three weeks after that renewal deadline, rumors of trading Mookie started to circulate. I told my friends not to worry that Bloom said that Mookie was the top priority. And then he was gone. I can’t trust the man after that. He made Mookie a top priority for 2-3 weeks. That is ********. And he basically pulled the same BS with Bogey.

 

You may be 100% right about that.

 

However, I think it's clear the real culprit in all this is Henry.

 

He did it with Lester when Ben was GM.

He did it with Betts when DD was GM.

Now he's done it with Bogaerts when Bloom is GM.

 

It turns out that Henry's game isn't Moneyball, it's Lowball.

[Bellhorn04]

Just looked at the updated list of highest contracts in MLB history.

 

You have to look all the way down to #22 to find Price.

 

Which some might say is a little odd, considering that the Red Sox are #3 in market value.

[Bellhorn04]

And of course Henry fired the guy who signed Price to that contract.

 

It's all starting to add up.

 

I think maybe for the first time I wouldn't mind seeing someone buy the team from Henry.

 

He had a good run, but now it's getting a little ugly.

[jad]

And of course Henry fired the guy who signed Price to that contract.

 

It's all starting to add up.

 

I think maybe for the first time I wouldn't mind seeing someone buy the team from Henry.

 

He had a good run, but now it's getting a little ugly.

 

Don't you think that that has been part of the long-term plan all along? Shed salary and long-term commitments to make the team more attractive to deep-pocket buyers? (Let's hope that IS the plan, so that we can see or hope for an end to this.)

[moonslav59]

Just looked at the updated list of highest contracts in MLB history.

 

You have to look all the way down to #22 to find Price.

 

Which some might say is a little odd, considering that the Red Sox are #3 in market value.

 

They aren't really "lowball," but they certainly aren't "highball," either. When you look at the success rate of the top 22, maybe going for some quantity over quality worked out better.

 

I'm not saying JH is above criticism, but it's hard for me to give him an overall failing grade.

 

I'm also on board with the idea that after 2019, we needed to build up the farm as the #1 priority. That's not an excuse for the botched up exits by our stars. We could have kept at least some of our stars or handled their departures better AND built up the farm.

[moonslav59]

And of course Henry fired the guy who signed Price to that contract.

 

It's all starting to add up.

 

I think maybe for the first time I wouldn't mind seeing someone buy the team from Henry.

 

He had a good run, but now it's getting a little ugly.

 

It's funny how everything can change in one day. I felt pretty good, yesterday, even knowing Bogey was likely gone, but after today, I feel like crap.