2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[Old Red]

That's what I thought you felt, but then I question why you seem to think I'm wrong when I say I think (not know) they will reste in '23 or '24.

 

I just think the contract offer to Bogey before the season tells more than Kennedy, and Bloom saying how much Bogey means to the organization, and the team. Obviously also JH didn’t learn anything from the Lester fiasco, and I don’t think he met Bogey out in the parking lot like he did with Lester, before he left the team.

[moonslav59]

I just think the contract offer to Bogey before the season tells more than Kennedy, and Bloom saying how much Bogey means to the organization, and the team. Obviously also JH didn’t learn anything from the Lester fiasco, and I don’t think he met Bogey out in the parking lot like he did with Lester, before he left the team.

 

Maybe they just don't value Bogey like we do. They have a long history of letting some of our stars and semi-stars go when their control years end. They've been right more than wrong in this area, but this does reek of the Lester fiasco.

 

They could have at least saved face by offering about what they gave Story, but maybe they don't even feel he's worth that.

[Nick]

Many moaned and bitched about both of our catchers being let go. But they were replaced with cheaper and younger players. Thats what fans want. f*** the intangibles. Get me players that can produce.

[moonslav59]

Many moaned and bitched about both of our catchers being let go. But they were replaced with cheaper and younger players. Thats what fans want. f*** the intangibles. Get me players that can produce.

 

I don't think Vaz and Plawecki were ever part of our longer term plans, and maybe for good reason.

 

Word is, they are looking to add a catcher to the mix.

[Old Red]

Many moaned and bitched about both of our catchers being let go. But they were replaced with cheaper and younger players. Thats what fans want. f*** the intangibles. Get me players that can produce.

 

Wow! Comparing Bogey’s leaving to Vaz, and Plawecki? No doubt Bogey’s production was down this year, but I don’t think he is washed up, and done at only 30.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Old Red

[notin]

Wow! Comparing Bogey’s importance to Vaz, and Plawecki? No doubt Bogey’s production was down this year, but I don’t think he is washed up, and done at only 30.

 

I don’t think Vazquez is fine and washed up, either.

 

 

I’ve said all along I expect them to re-sign Bogaerts, but really it will come down to what his demands are. It’s easy to see him (or more accurately, his agent,) pricing himself out of the Sox range. Or, more likely, expecting too many years…

[Larry Cook]

I don’t think Vazquez is fine and washed up, either.

 

 

I’ve said all along I expect them to re-sign Bogaerts, but really it will come down to what his demands are. It’s easy to see him (or more accurately, his agent,) pricing himself out of the Sox range. Or, more likely, expecting too many years…

 

Just say “yes” to signing turner!

 

Payroll sits at around $116k. Plenty of room for turner!

[illinoisredsox]

Great article today in Yanks Go Yard concerning the Bogey situation.

 

So summarize what was said and/or provide a link.

[notin]

So summarize what was said and/or provide a link.

 

If Old Red likes it, we can assume it’s a Yankee blog trashing the Sox…

Edited October 10, 2022 by notin

[Old Red]

So summarize what was said and/or provide a link.

 

I found the article when I looked up Boston Red Sox news today, which said Red Sox incompetence on Bogey. I suppose it good be found on Yanks Go Yard.

[Old Red]

If Old Red likes it, we can assume it’s a Yankee blog trashing the Sox…

 

Amazing it was on Red Sox news wasn’t it?

[redsoxrules]

Just say “yes” to signing turner!

 

Payroll sits at around $116k. Plenty of room for turner!

 

Turner will be getting around 300K.

Xander is just as good as Turner (yes he is) and you would retain him for cheaper than that

[notin]

Amazing it was on Red Sox news wasn’t it?

 

Seriously?

 

It’s on a blog called “Yanks Go Yard,” which is part of Fansided. Just because they labeled “Red Sox News” doesn’t make it objective. In fact, it wasn’t even news; it was commentary. It was just the opinion of a guy who clearly didn’t understand or believe in luxury tax and forgot the Yankees are in the exact same boat with Judge.

 

“Fansided” is just a collection of blogs written by fans. Don’t go confusing it with actual news…

[Old Red]

When I typed in Boston Red Sox yesterday that was one of the things on there. I didn’t say it was objective, and I didn’t say it was news, and I knew it was an opinion piece, but aside from all of that I thought it was pretty much spot on. Just another opinion that wouldn’t have happened probably if the Red Sox were not a losing, and last place team, and hadn’t made the lowballed contract offer that they had made to Bogey. I’m sure that’s not the only opinion like that out there from other organizations, or fans. Seriously!

[mvp 78]

Many moaned and bitched about both of our catchers being let go. But they were replaced with cheaper and younger players. Thats what fans want. f*** the intangibles. Get me players that can produce.

 

And McGuire outperformed Vaz too.

[mvp 78]

Just say “yes” to signing turner!

 

Payroll sits at around $116k. Plenty of room for turner!

 

Turner is a great player. He's a guy who would be fun to watch. I'm not sure ownership is ready to drop a ton of money on one guy just yet.

 

If they signed him, would they extend Raffy?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Turner is a great player. He's a guy who would be fun to watch. I'm not sure ownership is ready to drop a ton of money on one guy just yet.

 

If they signed him, would they extend Raffy?

 

Don't be surprised if some "smart" team tries to set a new trend this winter by loading up on speed to take advantage of the new rules next year -- not so much the bigger bases, but the limits on pick-off throws. Clubs that are short on power may compensate by taking extra bases with steals.

 

A guy like Turner suddenly becomes way more valuable than a Corey Seager. Jarren Duran may even have increased trade value, just as a pinch runner.

 

This smart team may not necessarily be the Red Sox, but many of the position prospects acquired by Bloom in the past year can really run (and cost a lot less than Schwarber and Renfroe types). Coincidence or foresight?

[oldtimer]

Don't be surprised if some "smart" team tries to set a new trend this winter by loading up on speed to take advantage of the new rules next year -- not so much the bigger bases, but the limits on pick-off throws. Clubs that are short on power may compensate by taking extra bases with steals.

 

A guy like Turner suddenly becomes way more valuable than a Corey Seager. Jarren Duran may even have increased trade value, just as a pinch runner.

 

This smart team may not necessarily be the Red Sox, but many of the position prospects acquired by Bloom in the past year can really run (and cost a lot less than Schwarber and Renfroe types). Coincidence or foresight?

 

It doesn't help much to be fast if a player has a low on base percentage. With teams going with 12 position players, I would think they would be reluctant to use one position for pinch running. That said, Turner is the best of both worlds, hitting and speed along with excellent defense. That's why he would be very expensive if he could be pried loose from the west coast.

[Bellhorn04]

Great article today in Yanks Go Yard concerning the Bogey situation.

 

Here you go folks.

 

Yankees fans should love Red Sox incompetence with Xander Bogaerts

by Thomas Carannante

 

You might hate the way the New York Yankees do business. And it’s sometimes hard to disagree with that assertion. Sometimes they’re too by-the-book. Sometimes they’re too stingy for a $6 billion franchise. Sometimes they just never “go for it,” especially when making trades.

 

But what they don’t do is disrespect franchise legends and willingly make their roster worse. Some might refer to the Derek Jeter contract negotiations back in 2010 as a situation where that was almost indicative of poor behavior — and that’s sort of right! — but in the end, Jeter signed a high-dollar deal. Moot point.

 

As for the Boston Red Sox, they couldn’t be further on the other end on the spectrum. And don’t forget! This is a $4 billion franchise, they’re not far off! They pretend to be the lovely little underdogs that don’t have a top payroll, but that’s not who they are! It’s not even who they were in 2004 when they had the league’s second-highest payroll. Where did this narrative come from?

 

The Sox ownership group also has stake in the Liverpool soccer team. These guys print money and probably control the Federal Reserve. But since 2020, they’ve traded Mookie Betts and have seemingly soured their relationship with star shortstop Xander Bogaerts for whatever reason.

 

Yankees fans might have their head in the sand when the Red Sox successfully re-tool and win the World Series in 2025, but right now it’s best we relish in them fumbling the bag with yet another franchise cornerstone.

 

The disingenuous quotes that come from Red Sox executives are hilarious. If what Sam Kennedy said were true, the team would’ve approached Bogaerts about an extension at ANY POINT dating back to last November, and prior to the last few days. The shortstop said himself it’s been crickets all season long.

 

He signed a six-year, $120 million extension under Dave Dombrowski’s reign and has an opt-out clause for this upcoming year, which he’ll surely exercise because he can cash out on one more long-term deal and likely make a higher AAV. The Red Sox, based on their behavior, clearly have no interest in that, though, even with nobody formidable in their pipeline to take over shortstop before teenager Marcelo Mayer reaches the bigs.

 

But there’s Trevor Story! Don’t forget they invested $140 million in him last offseason for … no reason other than to drive Bogaerts out of town? What was the point of this?

Is it mind-boggling, though? The Red Sox didn’t go above and beyond to pay their MVP and best homegrown player since Ted Williams, and then traded him to the Dodgers for peanuts. They wouldn’t pay Jon Lester and traded him in the middle of a season to the Oakland Athletics! They jumped ship on Andrew Benintendi for reasons we may never understand.

 

Just because they’ve idiotically splurged for guys like David Price, Pablo Sandoval and Hanley Ramirez in recent years doesn’t fully paint the picture of them being “spenders.” That’s only part of the equation.

 

They’re spending the money in the wrong places. Then they’re using that as an excuse to not do right by the guys who have brought them the success and recognition the franchise never even deserved in the first place.

 

Bogaerts was essentially taking in his final game at Fenway as a farewell. The fanbase “feels” like he’s not coming back. It seems the damage has already been done. And for what reason? This team can and should afford almost anybody they like, especially those who are durable and still in their prime with two World Series rings!

 

Like we said, Freezing Cold Take this in 2025. Don’t care. Just take a glimpse over in Boston to see how they’re handling business and know that the Yankees, for as frustrating as they might be, would never be this callous and insulting.

[Bellhorn04]

What intrigues about that Yankee fan take is that he says nothing about Judge and the offer that the Yankees chose to publicize, a move that Judge was reportedly unhappy about.

[notin]

What intrigues about that Yankee fan take is that he says nothing about Judge and the offer that the Yankees chose to publicize, a move that Judge was reportedly unhappy about.

 

Or no mention of the Yankees letting Andy Pettitte go to Houston…

[Bellhorn04]

Or no mention of the Yankees letting Andy Pettitte go to Houston…

 

Or trading Sonny Gray and bad-mouthing him as a guy who couldn't play in New York.

[Old Red]

Or no mention of the Yankees letting Andy Pettitte go to Houston…

 

The Yankees have their own things that haven’t Bloomed, but that doesn’t take away all that what I think was spot on about the Red Sox.

[notin]

Or trading Sonny Gray and bad-mouthing him as a guy who couldn't play in New York.

 

Or winning fewer World Series titles in the past 20 years. Let’s not forget that part of it…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

What intrigues about that Yankee fan take is that he says nothing about Judge and the offer that the Yankees chose to publicize, a move that Judge was reportedly unhappy about.

 

Hey, that's not "callous and insulting" -- that! must! be! compassionate! and complimentary!

 

It's true that Boston has done a lot of spending in the wrong places lately. And the opposite: not spending in the right places.

 

But where is the rationale to support "the success and recognition the franchise never deserved in the first place"? Why, because other big market teams somehow deserve it more?

 

I couldn't find where the blog said the Yankees, instead, deserve all the credit for the Red Sox titles this century by taking ARod, thus changing the entire course of baseball history.

[mvp 78]

Don't be surprised if some "smart" team tries to set a new trend this winter by loading up on speed to take advantage of the new rules next year -- not so much the bigger bases, but the limits on pick-off throws. Clubs that are short on power may compensate by taking extra bases with steals.

 

A guy like Turner suddenly becomes way more valuable than a Corey Seager. Jarren Duran may even have increased trade value, just as a pinch runner.

This smart team may not necessarily be the Red Sox, but many of the position prospects acquired by Bloom in the past year can really run (and cost a lot less than Schwarber and Renfroe types). Coincidence or foresight?

 

Guys that can steal bases are a dime a dozen. Duran is fast, but his baseball instincts are low. Maybe his trade value went from nil to next to nil.

[mvp 78]

Then they’re using that as an excuse to not do right by the guys who have brought them the success and recognition the franchise never even deserved in the first place.

 

This is the sentence that Old Red liked the best.

[mvp 78]

Or trading Sonny Gray and bad-mouthing him as a guy who couldn't play in New York.

 

Being a Yankees fan is great because we have history that no other team can compete with, which includes treating legends like dogshit.

[Bellhorn04]

Hey, that's not "callous and insulting" -- that! must! be! compassionate! and complimentary!

 

It's true that Boston has done a lot of spending in the wrong places lately. And the opposite: not spending in the right places.

 

But where is the rationale to support "the success and recognition the franchise never deserved in the first place"? Why, because other big market teams somehow deserve it more?

 

I couldn't find where the blog said the Yankees, instead, deserve all the credit for the Red Sox titles this century by taking ARod, thus changing the entire course of baseball history.

 

Good post. We need a like button or something here.

[Old Red]

This is the sentence that Old Red liked the best.

 

Yes, but only to a point. I’m not for signing Bogey at any cost, and I would say the same with Mookie, or Raffy.