Time For the Hypo Trade Talks to Begin ?

[moonslav59]

Kike can play 1b/RF. Duran needs to stay in the lineup…

 

I'm thinking the 1B/RF'er we get plays 1B, mostly, as Kike plays CF or RF.

 

He might play RF, when we rest an OF'er.

 

I'm also not convinced Duran will still be hitting very well by the deadline, but certainly, if he is, he keeps playing FT.

 

I also agree that RP'er is our highest need area.

[mvp 78]

Kike can play 1b/RF. Duran needs to stay in the lineup…

 

If Kiké had another year to go on his contract, maybe you'd consider forcing him back into the lineup. I think he needs to earn his spot back. Make him the super UTIL guy. Move him around the way the Dodgers used to. Duran either figures OF out or he doesn't. At least you have the 2nd half to see the deficiencies and make a plan for 2023.

[moonslav59]

If Kiké had another year to go on his contract, maybe you'd consider forcing him back into the lineup. I think he needs to earn his spot back. Make him the super UTIL guy. Move him around the way the Dodgers used to. Duran either figures OF out or he doesn't. At least you have the 2nd half to see the deficiencies and make a plan for 2023.

 

It appears Duran and Ref are locked into a platoon, even as Kike is on the IL. I doubt they make either FT, when he returns, so to me, it's Kike vs JBJ, and the choice is clear, assuming Kike hits like he was in his most recent 113 PAs (a sample size much larger than Duran & Ref's).

 

.746 OPS

 

Of course, if he hits like JBJ, maybe they platoon those two, as well.

 

I think they work Kike back, slowly, and see what happens, but I think they view him as a FT player. He has a .737 OPS since 2015, and while that is not great, it beats JBJ's .720 mark since 2015, and Kike can play excellent D, too.

 

Since 2017:

.741 Kike

.680 JBJ

 

Since 2019:

.723 Kike

.649 JBJ

 

Since 2021:

.735 Kike

.524 JBJ

[mvp 78]

It appears Duran and Ref are locked into a platoon, even as Kike is on the IL. I doubt they make either FT, when he returns, so to me, it's Kike vs JBJ, and the choice is clear, assuming Kike hits like he was in his most recent 113 PAs (a sample size much larger than Duran & Ref's).

 

.746 OPS

 

Of course, if he hits like JBJ, maybe they platoon those two, as well.

 

I think they work Kike back, slowly, and see what happens, but I think they view him as a FT player. He has a .737 OPS since 2015, and while that is not great, it beats JBJ's .720 mark since 2015, and Kike can play excellent D, too.

 

Since 2017:

.741 Kike

.680 JBJ

 

Since 2019:

.723 Kike

.649 JBJ

 

Since 2021:

.735 Kike

.524 JBJ

 

You think they are going to carry 5 OFers? Who are they going to take off the roster to make room for Kiké then?

[moonslav59]

You think they are going to carry 5 OFers? Who are they going to take off the roster to make room for Kiké then?

 

You think we trade Kike, then? (I've suggest trading him on BTV a few times, recently.)

 

Since Kike can play 2B, SS and 3B, I think we'd trade Arroyo before Kike, despite Arroyo's longer team control.

 

If it were up to me, I'd DFA JBJ, once I knew Kike was 100%, but that won't happen.

[Old Red]

You think we trade Kike, then? (I've suggest trading him on BTV a few times, recently.)

 

Since Kike can play 2B, SS and 3B, I think we'd trade Arroyo before Kike, despite Arroyo's longer team control.

 

If it were up to me, I'd DFA JBJ, once I knew Kike was 100%, but that won't happen.

 

JBJ will be around for the rest of this year, and next. When Kike comes back I would say Duran is the one going down. Seems his luster has worn off some. Even when Kike comes back he still has to hit better than he was before he got hurt to warrant playing time.

[mvp 78]

You think we trade Kike, then? (I've suggest trading him on BTV a few times, recently.)

 

Since Kike can play 2B, SS and 3B, I think we'd trade Arroyo before Kike, despite Arroyo's longer team control.

 

If it were up to me, I'd DFA JBJ, once I knew Kike was 100%, but that won't happen.

 

I don't think Arroyo has any trade value. I'm not sure what a broken Kiké can bring back, but I think I'd be more likely to keep him for the stretch run.

 

Sox need to decide if they want to try to advance in the playoffs of play for the future. They have some expiring contracts they can deal.

 

As jacko has said, the worst thing they can do is to get nothing out of these expiring deals. It's great for the Yankees, but bad for the Sox long term.

[mvp 78]

JBJ will be around for the rest of this year, and next. When Kike comes back I would say Duran is the one going down. Seems his luster has worn off some. Even when Kike comes back he still has to hit better than he was before he got hurt to warrant playing time.

 

It's the most likely play. They can send him back down without losing him. If anything else happens in BOS, they can just call him up again.

[Old Red]

I don't think Arroyo has any trade value. I'm not sure what a broken Kiké can bring back, but I think I'd be more likely to keep him for the stretch run.

 

Sox need to decide if they want to try to advance in the playoffs of play for the future. They have some expiring contracts they can deal.

 

As jacko has said, the worst thing they can do is to get nothing out of these expiring deals. It's great for the Yankees, but bad for the Sox long term.

 

Yes it would be bad to get nothing out of all, or any of the expiring contracts, but to me that should have been decided long before now especially with the Red Sox having a good chance getting into the postseason. The Yankees are good team, but I think the Sox can handle their own against them head to head especially when healthy. The rest of the teams like the Sox are not great, so once in the postseason anyone can win. If the Red Sox unload contracts now just to build for the future I think Red Sox Nation would be in a uproar. Maybe not so much on here, but elsewhere I think big time.

[notin]

It's the most likely play. They can send him back down without losing him. If anything else happens in BOS, they can just call him up again.

 

Why not demote Dalbec? He can also be recalled and doesn’t need to be exposed to waivers…

[Old Red]

Why not demote Dalbec? He can also be recalled and doesn’t need to be exposed to waivers…

 

Do you honestly think Cora, and Bloom are going to send Bobby D down? Then what make Franchy Dr Strange Glove be the full time 1B?

[notin]

Do you honestly think Cora, and Bloom are going to send Bobby D down? Then what make Franchy Dr Strange Glove be the full time 1B?

 

Or they could use Kike there.

 

And if Franchy is Dr. Strangeglove, what’s Dalbec? Dr. Pretty Weird Glove? “Better defensively than Cordero” doesn’t automatically equate to Keith Hernandez. There’s a really, really big gray area in there…

[Old Red]

Or they could use Kike there.

 

And if Franchy is Dr. Strangeglove, what’s Dalbec? Dr. Pretty Weird Glove? “Better defensively than Cordero” doesn’t automatically equate to Keith Hernandez. There’s a really, really big gray area in there…

 

I agree with you that Bobby D isn’t much better. You can try Kike there, but the best thing that could happen is to actually get a good 1B that they have been trying to piece together for two years now. Like I keep saying about Kike he has to hit better to get playing time anywhere.

[notin]

I agree with you that Bobby D isn’t much better. You can try Kike there, but the best thing that could happen is to actually get a good 1B that they have been trying to piece together for two years now. Like I keep saying about Kike he has to hit better to get playing time anywhere.

 

I’d love Josh Bell. But despite his recent 4 for 28 slump, I think this offense is helped by Duran. And unlike Bell, Duran is already here.

 

If the Sox do acquire a 1b, then Dalbec is absolutely a candidate for demotion. That situation also would make Duran one upon the activation of Kike.

 

But if the Sox don’t acquire a 1b, Kike is probably their best defensive option despite his minimal experience at the position…

[Kimmi]

I don't think Arroyo has any trade value. I'm not sure what a broken Kiké can bring back, but I think I'd be more likely to keep him for the stretch run.

 

Sox need to decide if they want to try to advance in the playoffs of play for the future. They have some expiring contracts they can deal.

 

As jacko has said, the worst thing they can do is to get nothing out of these expiring deals. It's great for the Yankees, but bad for the Sox long term.

 

Why can't they do both? It's not an either/or situation.

 

As far as trading off the expiring contracts, the Sox are not going to trade guys like JD or Bogaerts in the middle of a playoff run unless a deal comes up that they just can't refuse.

[Old Red]

Why can't they do both? It's not an either/or situation.

 

As far as trading off the expiring contracts, the Sox are not going to trade guys like JD or Bogaerts in the middle of a playoff run unless a deal comes up that they just can't refuse.

 

People on here have been talking about a fire sale before the season even started. Wow! None of the Big expiring contracts are going anywhere.

[moonslav59]

Why can't they do both? It's not an either/or situation.

 

As far as trading off the expiring contracts, the Sox are not going to trade guys like JD or Bogaerts in the middle of a playoff run unless a deal comes up that they just can't refuse.

 

I could see us trading a few fringe players (Brasier, Sawamura, Davis, Arroyo, Diekman, if anybody wants him), and maybe even Kike and or Hill, and then trade prospects/players that may be facing a 40 man roster crunch, this winter for upgrades in the pen and at 1B.

 

I agree: Bogey, JD and Nate aren't going anywhere. (Wacha, too.)

[Kimmi]

People on here have been talking about a fire sale before the season even started. Wow! None of the Big expiring contracts are going anywhere.

 

I 100% agree.

[moonslav59]

I don't think Arroyo has any trade value. I'm not sure what a broken Kiké can bring back, but I think I'd be more likely to keep him for the stretch run.

 

Sox need to decide if they want to try to advance in the playoffs of play for the future. They have some expiring contracts they can deal.

 

As jacko has said, the worst thing they can do is to get nothing out of these expiring deals. It's great for the Yankees, but bad for the Sox long term.

 

If Kike returns, he may not be "broken." He's playing, now, in the minors.

 

Despite his often mentioned .240 career BA, he's been a clear plus player for a long time.

 

If Arroyo has no trade value, I'd DFA him over trading Kike, but Arroyo has longer team control, so maybe they trade Kike.

 

The easy solution is demoting Duran.

 

[Kimmi]

I could see us trading a few fringe players (Brasier, Sawamura, Davis, Arroyo, Diekman, if anybody wants him), and maybe even Kike and or Hill, and then trade prospects/players that may be facing a 40 man roster crunch, this winter for upgrades in the pen and at 1B.

 

I agree: Bogey, JD and Nate aren't going anywhere. (Wacha, too.)

 

Yes, we could possibly trade some fringe players. That would make sense. Beyond that, Bloom will not make any moves at the expense of this year's team.

[mvp 78]

Yes it would be bad to get nothing out of all, or any of the expiring contracts, but to me that should have been decided long before now especially with the Red Sox having a good chance getting into the postseason. The Yankees are good team, but I think the Sox can handle their own against them head to head especially when healthy. The rest of the teams like the Sox are not great, so once in the postseason anyone can win. If the Red Sox unload contracts now just to build for the future I think Red Sox Nation would be in a uproar. Maybe not so much on here, but elsewhere I think big time.

 

I can't worry about what Johnny from Burger King thinks.

[Kimmi]

I can't worry about what Johnny from Burger King thinks.

 

How about what Kimmi from Talksox thinks?

 

I would be in an uproar if the Sox traded one of our key players at the deadline.

[moonslav59]

Yes, we could possibly trade some fringe players. That would make sense. Beyond that, Bloom will not make any moves at the expense of this year's team.

 

Agreed, any moves made that seem to weaken this year's team, like trading Kike, Hill, Brasier, Sawamura of the like, would be made to make room for an upgrade at a position of high or higher need.

 

We may see a 3-way deal.

 

I am near certain we'll see a 2 or 3 for 1 deal- maybe two deals that will ease this winter's roster crunch while improving the team down the stretch.

[mvp 78]

Why not demote Dalbec? He can also be recalled and doesn’t need to be exposed to waivers…

 

Maybe? He's been terrible this season.

 

Franchy/Kiké platoon at 1b until they trade for someone?

 

The Casas injury was a real kick in the dick.

[mvp 78]

How about what Kimmi from Talksox thinks?

 

I would be in an uproar if the Sox traded one of our key players at the deadline.

 

Old Red said people on here wouldn't mind though?

[mvp 78]

People on here have been talking about a fire sale before the season even started. Wow! None of the Big expiring contracts are going anywhere.

 

Tampa wouldn't let a good expiring contract go to waste like this.

[moonslav59]

How about what Kimmi from Talksox thinks?

 

I would be in an uproar if the Sox traded one of our key players at the deadline.

 

The Bogey, JD, Nate window is closing quickly. I can't see Bloom dealing any of them, even if he added something big to offset losing one of them.

 

It will be sad losing them, and getting nothing in return, but it is what it is, and we can use their salaries plus Price's to get some nice replacements. Hell, we may end up keeping one.

[moonslav59]

Tampa wouldn't let a good expiring contract go to waste like this.

 

They should have traded Kiermaier, last winter. He may go this deadline, but won't get much in return, if anything.

 

They may trade Kluber and Zunino, this deadline, despite being in the race.

 

FA's after 2023:

Glasnow

Choi

[moonslav59]

Maybe? He's been terrible this season.

 

Franchy/Kiké platoon at 1b until they trade for someone?

 

The Casas injury was a real kick in the dick.

 

Agreed. If we trade for a 1Bman, and Dalbec is not part of the trade, he'll be demoted in a flash.

[mvp 78]

The Bogey, JD, Nate window is closing quickly. I can't see Bloom dealing any of them, even if he added something big to offset losing one of them.

 

It will be sad losing them, and getting nothing in return, but it is what it is, and we can use their salaries plus Price's to get some nice replacements. Hell, we may end up keeping one.

 

C'est la vie. It is what it is. Oh well. What could have been done? No biggie.