Fire Bloom .

[a700hitter]

Like Harry Frazee, these owners have interests that lie elsewhere and they expect that the Red Sox will be a nice stream of income if run economically. Winning isn’t the highest consideration.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Mookie is a generational talent. He followed in the footsteps of Ruth, Williams, Yaz, Rice and Ortiz. You don’t let guys like that leave. He is still playing great and has become more versatile playing 2B and SS and doing it like a star. Not keeping him was immensely stupid. I don’t care who called that shot.

 

Congratulations to the Red Sox for creating another Babe Ruth situation 100 years later.

 

I saw Mookie turn a DP to end a close game last week, smoother than any infielder on the current Red Sox.

 

Unlike the Bloom Era in Boston, the Dodgers aren't trying to contrive versatility when they use the best player on the field at positions of need.

[Bellhorn04]

And it seems like Mookie has been hitting leadoff homers every second game lately...

[a700hitter]

I saw Mookie turn a DP to end a close game last week, smoother than any infielder on the current Red Sox.

 

Unlike the Bloom Era in Boston, the Dodgers aren't trying to contrive versatility when they use the best player on the field at positions of need.

Mookie was an IFer until he converted to break the Red Sox lineup.

[notin]

Mookie was an IFer until he converted to break the Red Sox lineup.

 

I thought JBJ’s struggles at the plate might have been a factor, too…

[notin]

Mookie is a generational talent. He followed in the footsteps of Ruth, Williams, Yaz, Rice and Ortiz. You don’t let guys like that leave. He is still playing great and has become more versatile playing 2B and SS and doing it like a star. Not keeping him was immensely stupid. I don’t care who called that shot.

 

Congratulations to the Red Sox for creating another Babe Ruth situation 100 years later.

 

They should have locked him up long before 2019. Locking up Betts made more sense than signing Price…

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie is a generational talent. He followed in the footsteps of Ruth, Williams, Yaz, Rice and Ortiz. You don’t let guys like that leave. He is still playing great and has become more versatile playing 2B and SS and doing it like a star. Not keeping him was immensely stupid. I don’t care who called that shot.

 

Congratulations to the Red Sox for creating another Babe Ruth situation 100 years later.

 

It was almost exactly 100 years apart, too.

[Randy Red Sox]

I just can't understand how people can say Bloom is doing a good job. we are well on our way to our 3rd last place aL East finish in his 4 years here. Other than Mayer who fell into his lap what other blue chip prospects has Bloom acquired. How many top 100 prospects do we have in our system and besides Mayer which did Bloom acquire? Yes he has added depth to the system but it appears to me to simply be decent not great prospects. He has of course achieved his #1 mandate from John Henry which was to lower the payroll. It could actually be even lower had Bloom not spent foolishly on several players.

[Randy Red Sox]

I just can't understand how people can say Bloom is doing a good job. we are well on our way to our 3rd last place AL East finish in his 4 years here. Other than Mayer who fell into his lap what other blue chip prospects has Bloom acquire?. How many top 100 prospects do we have in our system and besides Mayer which did Bloom acquire? Yes he has added depth to the system but it appears to me to simply be decent not great prospects. He has of course achieved his #1 mandate from John Henry which was to lower the payroll. It has gone from a top 5 payroll to now #11 in MLB. It could actually be even lower had Bloom not spent foolishly on several players.

[Randy Red Sox]

I actually think this would be the best time to TRADE Paxton. His value will likely never be higher than it is now and he might actually bring back something decent. Lots of teams are looking for SP help .

I love Devers (for the most part) but considering him the face of the franchise after watching a future Hall of Fame walk is silly. I could likely recover from Bogaerts being allowed to walk, if this team was just reasonably solid up the middle - they aren't.

 

In Bloom's defense, I think this team has been afflicted with their fare share of bad luck. A starting pitching lineup featuring Sale, Paxton, Bello, Houk, Whitlock, etc on paper doesn't look too bad. The bullpen in my estimation is ok i guess. Chang at ss would certainly have given us a ss who can make plays. Regardless of the win last night, the error by Devers stands out clearly in my mind. A major league ss makes that play not your second baseman. i'll give Arroyo all kinds of credit though for clearly taking control of that situation. he would have made that play. Devers has made strides defensively but that play certainly shows that he has a ways to go. Oh, if Paxton continues to throw the way he has been, it would be silly not to make an attempt to sign him regardless of his age. i don't get hung up so much on the age thing. I am not a bloom hater but not realizing the need to be better defensively particularly up the middle is absolutely on him. With respect to or minor league system yes he has added players to it. I see that as something any GM would have done. You lose very very good players you are able at least increase your numbers at the minor league level. Has he done a superior job by picking up the right players? I don't know. None of us will know for a while it seems.

[notin]

I just can't understand how people can say Bloom is doing a good job. we are well on our way to our 3rd last place AL East finish in his 4 years here. Other than Mayer who fell into his lap what other blue chip prospects has Bloom acquire?. How many top 100 prospects do we have in our system and besides Mayer which did Bloom acquire? Yes he has added depth to the system but it appears to me to simply be decent not great prospects. He has of course achieved his #1 mandate from John Henry which was to lower the payroll. It has gone from a top 5 payroll to now #11 in MLB. It could actually be even lower had Bloom not spent foolishly on several players.

 

 

Three other teams also had Mayer “fall into their lap” but passed. Jay Groome fell a lot further into DD’s lap, but no one mentioned that. (Heck I credited him with getting the deal done).

 

But as for other top 100 prospects, Nick Yorke and Roman Anthony by Bloom, and another addition, LHP and 2020 draftee Shane Drohan is likely to be ranked soon…

[notin]

I just can't understand how people can say Bloom is doing a good job. we are well on our way to our 3rd last place aL East finish in his 4 years here. Other than Mayer who fell into his lap what other blue chip prospects has Bloom acquired. How many top 100 prospects do we have in our system and besides Mayer which did Bloom acquire? Yes he has added depth to the system but it appears to me to simply be decent not great prospects. He has of course achieved his #1 mandate from John Henry which was to lower the payroll. It could actually be even lower had Bloom not spent foolishly on several players.

 

I’m not so sure he’s done a good job; I’ve criticized several moves. But I think he was given a harder job than most of his forehead critics like to admit…

[cp176]

I actually think this would be the best time to TRADE Paxton. His value will likely never be higher than it is now and he might actually bring back something decent. Lots of teams are looking for SP help .

 

Obviously I don't agree with anybody who wants to trade solid top of the rotation pitching for anything. We have produced very few of our own obviously. Also I don't care how old Paxton is. I agree with you that his trade value right now might be high but I think that you could say that about any player having a decent year. If you are going to put a defensive team out there that is really not good then you better be able to pitch. You shouldn't have to trade for good defenders either. Should be able to grow your own.

[cp176]

I’m not so sure he’s done a good job; I’ve criticized several moves. But I think he was given a harder job than most of his forehead critics like to admit…

 

Being a GM in general I'm sure is a very difficult job. Even if your thoughts about what he was or was not left with have any merit at all, he has had plenty of time playing his own ball.

[notin]

Being a GM in general I'm sure is a very difficult job. Even if your thoughts about what he was or was not left with have any merit at all, he has had plenty of time playing his own ball.

 

My “thoughts” about what he was left with have as much merit as anyone’s. Sorry if don’t live in the fantasy world where he inherited The Greatest Sox Team Ever and then willingly destroyed. Because I thought he took over an 84 win team with the highest payroll in franchise history (at the time) and a pretty empty farm system above A ball…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

My “thoughts” about what he was left with have as much merit as anyone’s. Sorry if don’t live in the fantasy world where he inherited The Greatest Sox Team Ever and then willingly destroyed. Because I thought he took over an 84 win team with the highest payroll in franchise history (at the time) and a pretty empty farm system above A ball…

 

No one said he willingly destroyed or dismantled the core of the factually winningest Sox team in franchise history. But for all we know, it is possible that his hiring was contingent on following orders to do something close: tearing it down, paring payroll, and building it back up with a more moderate budget -- all have been discussed on this forum since Bloom took over.

 

So for the robotic umpteenth time -- if Bloom has been operating according to ownership mandates, preferences, and modern trends (the Snoring Twenties) -- then he's doing a great job. And his badge as Chief Baseball Officer is not in any jeopardy of being pulled off his shirt and skipped across the Charles River.

[moonslav59]

I just can't understand how people can say Bloom is doing a good job. we are well on our way to our 3rd last place AL East finish in his 4 years here. Other than Mayer who fell into his lap what other blue chip prospects has Bloom acquire?. How many top 100 prospects do we have in our system and besides Mayer which did Bloom acquire? Yes he has added depth to the system but it appears to me to simply be decent not great prospects. He has of course achieved his #1 mandate from John Henry which was to lower the payroll. It has gone from a top 5 payroll to now #11 in MLB. It could actually be even lower had Bloom not spent foolishly on several players.

 

Can just one of you guys name just one poster saying Bloom has done a good job?

 

Giving context is not saying he’s done a good job.

[cp176]

My “thoughts” about what he was left with have as much merit as anyone’s. Sorry if don’t live in the fantasy world where he inherited The Greatest Sox Team Ever and then willingly destroyed. Because I thought he took over an 84 win team with the highest payroll in franchise history (at the time) and a pretty empty farm system above A ball…

 

Take a deep breath notin. Because some choose not to agree with a whole lot of that which you spout, it doesn't mean that we live in a fantasy world. Oh and yes, our Opinions matter just as much as yours.

[moonslav59]

My “thoughts” about what he was left with have as much merit as anyone’s. Sorry if don’t live in the fantasy world where he inherited The Greatest Sox Team Ever and then willingly destroyed. Because I thought he took over an 84 win team with the highest payroll in franchise history (at the time) and a pretty empty farm system above A ball…

 

Exactly. We did not inherit the 2018 team. We inherited some of the players, but much of their production diminished, and some missed whole seasons- yes, plural seasons.

 

Had we just been able to keep Betts, things would likely be very different, too, but only if the budgets from2020 to now were more.

[dgalehouse]

I have never been too fond of excuses, spin or " context. " Results are what matters in baseball, as in most things. That is the reality. With Bloom, the results have not been good. The question is: How much longer will he be given to get the needed results ? We don't know the answer to that right now.

[notin]

Take a deep breath notin. Because some choose not to agree with a whole lot of that which you spout, it doesn't mean that we live in a fantasy world. Oh and yes, our Opinions matter just as much as yours.

 

So does that mean you think your thought have no merit, either? Just like you said mine didn’t in post 10244.

[Bellhorn04]

So for the robotic umpteenth time -- if Bloom has been operating according to ownership mandates, preferences, and modern trends (the Snoring Twenties) -- then he's doing a great job. And his badge as Chief Baseball Officer is not in any jeopardy of being pulled off his shirt and skipped across the Charles River.

 

I actually believe the goal is to rebuild and be competitive too. If all they wanted to do was cut payroll and build the farm, they could have passed on signing Yoshida, Turner, Duvall, Kluber, Jansen and Smith.

 

Which means that if we finish under .500 (again), Bloom has failed in part of his mandate.

[notin]

I actually believe the goal is to rebuild and be competitive too. If all they wanted to do was cut payroll and build the farm, they could have passed on signing Yoshida, Turner, Duvall, Kluber, Jansen and Smith.

 

Which means that if we finish under .500 (again), Bloom has failed in part of his mandate.

 

 

There also may be discrepancies in the integration of the word “competitive.” I mean, the Sox finished poorly last year but we’re only 3 1/2 games out at the deadline. Were they competitive?

 

They might simply mean “Not into full blood Sell Mode and therefore not stringing up a slew of 50-55ish win seasons like the Orioles did for a 4 years prior to 2022”…

[cp176]

So does that mean you think your thought have no merit, either? Just like you said mine didn’t in post 10244.

 

Wow you do take this silliness seriously don't you. Much of the time I wold say that I can't be held responsible for any posts made even yesterday. My thoughts have merit to me and I'm sure that yours do to you. If I said that your thoughts had no merit, man you must have said something that really caused the cheese to slide off my cracker. If it makes you feel better, your thoughts about "big maple" seem to be right on with most posters here - even the ones you do battle with. Once again though, my thoughts have merit to me and I like to share them every now and then.

[Dipre]

Take a deep breath notin. Because some choose not to agree with a whole lot of that which you spout, it doesn't mean that we live in a fantasy world. Oh and yes, our Opinions matter just as much as yours.

 

Yes, but because they are opinions, some opinions can be, and are, objectively wrong. No deep breath needed

[Randy Red Sox]

can you enlighten me as to who Smith is please. As for your other point had Bloom NOT signed those guys RSN would have likely revolted. He is simply trying to keep the team competitive until his "plan" comes into effect.

I actually believe the goal is to rebuild and be competitive too. If all they wanted to do was cut payroll and build the farm, they could have passed on signing Yoshida, Turner, Duvall, Kluber, Jansen and Smith.

 

Which means that if we finish under .500 (again), Bloom has failed in part of his mandate.

[moonslav59]

can you enlighten me as to who Smith is please. As for your other point had Bloom NOT signed those guys RSN would have likely revolted. He is simply trying to keep the team competitive until his "plan" comes into effect.

 

He meant Martin- not Smith.

 

Now, your turn. Give me the name of one poster saying Bloom has done a good job.

[notin]

Take a deep breath notin. Because some choose not to agree with a whole lot of that which you spout, it doesn't mean that we live in a fantasy world. Oh and yes, our Opinions matter just as much as yours.

 

Not sure you know how this whole “opinion” thing works.

 

That the 2019 Red Sox won 84 and had the highest payroll in team history at the time are not really matters of opinion. That the upper minors had little to no talent left in 2019 really isn’t either.

 

You’re sure about the fantasy world thingy?

[Dipre]

can you enlighten me as to who Smith is please. As for your other point had Bloom NOT signed those guys RSN would have likely revolted. He is simply trying to keep the team competitive until his "plan" comes into effect.

 

Why the quotation marks? You think he's just winging it? That'd be insanity.

[cp176]

Yes, but because they are opinions, some opinions can be, and are, objectively wrong. No deep breath needed

 

Deep breathing is good for one's soul opinions maybe not. I