Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

I understand your frustration, but what's the purpose of just posting "Bloom sucks" all day long. We get it. Most of us are mostly on board at this point and just quibble at the margins of his performance.

 

I get what you are saying, but Bloom is the lightning rod for the Red Sox, and while I may be critical of him I’m pretty mild compared to what’s being said in, and on different venues. I did praise Bloom, and said he did do a good job at the start of FA with the additions to the BP, so it hasn’t been all bad.

[moonslav59]

I know some disagree, but I think my opinion is based on the angst of reality, and I don’t see anything getting better with this JH, and Bloom at the helm. Lord forbid Bloom try’s to get something good out of trading Raffy.

 

You don't see the farm is better?

 

You don't see the depth of the 40 man roster as vastly better than 2020?

 

Fine, if that's not enough for you and the vast majority of Sox Nation, but don't say you "don't see anything better." If you truly don't see those two thing, I'd have to say you just choose not to see them.

[mvp 78]

You don't see the farm is better?

 

You don't see the depth of the 40 man roster as vastly better than 2020?

 

Fine, if that's not enough for you and the vast majority of Sox Nation, but don't say you "don't see anything better." If you truly don't see those two thing, I'd have to say you just choose not to see them.

 

The farm is better. The "depth" is better. If they don't have a winning season in 2023, he's gone.

[moonslav59]

I get what you are saying, but Bloom is the lightning rod for the Red Sox, and while I may be critical of him I’m pretty mild compared to what’s being said in, and on different venues. I did praise Bloom, and said he did do a good job at the start of FA with the additions to the BP, so it hasn’t been all bad.

 

He is the lightening rod, because he was made into one.

 

The soxprospect podcast stated he had to have known he'd be made the "punching bag," when he was hired, and I agree, but that does not mean he is or has been the major reason for what has happened over the last 3 years.

 

The team strategy and philosophy changed, and it wasn't the first time. The Ben hiring was very similar to the Bloom one. The no signing pitchers over 30 strategy was suddenly lifted under DD, as budget limitations changed drastically at the same time. Is the strategy to be cyclical? Who knows?

 

I realize the blame game is the way of the world and has been- moving more and more in that direction more and more over the last few decades. Identifying a punching bag and relentlessly punching away until they guy is totally toast does not get to the core of the situation. Only when the strategy changes will we begin to see a change, or if the long term plan is given a chance to succeed, which requires a level of patience seemingly impossible to realize in Sox nation to occur.

 

I can rail and rail about the "context" in which Bloom has been placed, but it would just be repeating the same points over and over.

 

I'm trying to be positive about the long game being the right strategy. I share in the frustration of the past 3 years (or 2 out of 3, or even 4, if we count 2019,) but I fully believe the strategy chosen was not Bloom's idea. They hired Bloom to fit the strategy they chose during the 2019 season. He's trying to follow the plan they gave him. He seems to have done a pretty good job with a couple top priorities (farm improvement and strengthening the foundation of the 40 man roster,) but he has largely failed with the "remaining competitive" along the way part of his charter. Should he be fired for that?

 

Hard to determine, but my general opinion is what did we expect under the circumstances handed to him? I expected the dreaded "C word," so maybe that's why I have been more lenient with Bloom, but that does not make me any less frustrated with the choices we've made in the last 4 years.

[Old Red]

The farm is better. The "depth" is better. If they don't have a winning season in 2023, he's gone.

 

Even Sam Kennedy said winning a WS will appease the fans. not having the #1 system. The record of the Boston Red Sox I believe is what most fans cares about the most, and not whose on the 40 man, or if the farm ranking is better. It’s nice if those things are better, but to most not all that important.

[moonslav59]

The farm is better. The "depth" is better. If they don't have a winning season in 2023, he's gone.

 

I don't disagree, but better than 2022 is a low bar. I'm thinking as good as 2021 or he's probably gone.

 

The issue, to me, is unless we are prepared to change our strategy or philosophy, it wont do any good bringing in another DD. I'm thinking they may want to give the farm building and long term plan longer than they gave Ben. If they replace Bloom and misdirect all the blame on him, which they seem to love doing, IMO, they will not go back to the DD days. They will hire someone like Click and continue seeking a balanced approach, but maybe with someone who does trades better than Bloom has done.

[moonslav59]

Even Sam Kennedy said winning a WS will appease the fans. not having the #1 system. The record of the Boston Red Sox I believe is what most fans cares about the most, and not whose on the 40 man, or if the farm ranking is better. It’s nice if those things are better, but to most not all that important.

 

I'm still not sure why yo keep choosing to believe what these guys say.

 

I also think Sam & Co. firmly believe moving towards having the best system is the best way to increase the odds of winning a WS, so it seems like doublespeak, to me. Again, I could be wrong and have been often enough.

[mvp 78]

I don't disagree, but better than 2022 is a low bar. I'm thinking as good as 2021 or he's probably gone.

 

The issue, to me, is unless we are prepared to change our strategy or philosophy, it wont do any good bringing in another DD. I'm thinking they may want to give the farm building and long term plan longer than they gave Ben. If they replace Bloom and misdirect all the blame on him, which they seem to love doing, IMO, they will not go back to the DD days. They will hire someone like Click and continue seeking a balanced approach, but maybe with someone who does trades better than Bloom has done.

 

If they get into the playoffs, his job is 100% safe. If they compete for a playoff spot until the last week, he probably still has a job in 2024 but it's not 100%.

[moonslav59]

If they get into the playoffs, his job is 100% safe. If they compete for a playoff spot until the last week, he probably still has a job in 2024 but it's not 100%.

 

Sounds about right. It might also depend on how the players who are coming back in 2025 did, especially down the stretch, or if injuries played a big role in just missing the playoffs.

 

How well did Bloom additions do in 2023 might be a factor, too.

 

I guys like Sale and Barnes and other non Bloom guys do great, but we still lose, he's probably a goner.

[notin]

If they get into the playoffs, his job is 100% safe. If they compete for a playoff spot until the last week, he probably still has a job in 2024 but it's not 100%.

 

But if they don’t make the postseason, then it might get complicated…

[notin]

Even Sam Kennedy said winning a WS will appease the fans. not having the #1 system. The record of the Boston Red Sox I believe is what most fans cares about the most, and not whose on the 40 man, or if the farm ranking is better. It’s nice if those things are better, but to most not all that important.

 

Clearly Sam Kennedy does not read this forum…

[moonslav59]

Clearly Sam Kennedy does not read this forum…

 

He lives only to stir up the Talksox forum!

[Bellhorn04]

He lives only to stir up the Talksox forum!

 

Put it this way: he's well aware there are a lot of Looney Tunes like us in Red Sox Nation.

[Old Red]

Put it this way: he's well aware there are a lot of Looney Tunes like us in Red Sox Nation.

 

We know JH used to listen to talk shows. I’m sure all his minions know what’s being said.

[notin]

We know JH used to listen to talk shows. I’m sure all his minions know what’s being said.

 

Sports talk shows are always 95-100% complaints. Even Mets’ talk shows this morning had people complaining about something. “Now where does Brett Baty play!??!”

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sports talk shows are always 95-100% complaints. Even Mets’ talk shows this morning had people complaining about something. “Now where does Brett Baty play!??!”

 

... in freaking Boston, Massachusetts, please.

 

Baty's oppo swing is made for Wally. Think Kyle Tucker in Fenway... or Marshall Tucker: Take the High Wall

[moonslav59]

The O's acquired James McCann + $19M of the $24M still owed over 2 years for a PTBNL.

[mvp 78]

Clearly Sam Kennedy does not read this forum…

 

Who's to say he isn't Swihart's Ghost?

[notin]

The O's acquired James McCann + $19M of the $24M still owed over 2 years for a PTBNL.

 

That $5mill savings should cover several innings from Verlander…

[Bellhorn04]

That $5mill savings should cover several innings from Verlander…

 

All Mets Dollars have to be multiplied by 1.9 now.

[notin]

All Mets Dollars have to be multiplied by 1.9 now.

 

So throw in a couple weeks of Brandon Nimmo drawing walks and misplaying flyballs in CF and call it even…

[moonslav59]

A breakdown of Bloom's additions to the farm by soxprospects rankings:

 

Recent grads:

Bello (peaked at #3)

Winckowski (9)

Wong (11)

Ort (41)

 

Current Rankings:

1. Mayer ('21 draft)

3. Bleis ('21 IFA)

5. Yorke ('20 draft)

7. Romero ('22 draft)

9. Anthony ('22 draft)

15. Jordan ('20 draft)

17. E Valdez (Vaz trade)

18. Hickey ('21 draft)

19. Rodrigues-Cruz ('21 draft)

20. Kavadas ('21 draft)

21. Coffey ('22 draft)

22. Seabold (Workman/Hembree trade)

23. German (Ottavino trade)

24. Drohan ('20 draft)

25. Kelly (FA)

26. R Hernandez (Springs/Mazza trade)

27. Abreu (Vaz trade)

28. Brannon ('22 draft)

29. Paez (IFA)

30. Uberstine ('21 draft)

31. Hamilton (Renfroe trade)

32. Guerrero ('21 draft)

33. McDonough ('21 draft)

34. Koss (Aybar trade)

35. Encarnacion ('22 IFA)

36. Binelas (Renfroe trade)

 

Current 40 Man Roster Bloom Additions/Extensions (not on grads or prospects list above):

 

Barnes (extension)

Verdugo (Betts trade)

Pivetta (Workman/Hembree trade)

Arroyo (Waivers)

Wong ( Betts trade)

Kike (FA & extension)

Paxton (FA & option)

Story (FA)

Schreiber (waivers)

Refsnyder (FA)

McGuire (Diekman trade)

Joely Rodriguez (FA)

Martin (FA)

Jansen (FA)

Yoshida (FA)

Mills (Wallace trade, who was acquired for Pillar)

Turner (FA)

 

 

 

[Old Red]

By not locking up Bogey last offseason looks even more of a botched up move by Bloom now than it did before. Also what was the medicals on Storyland when they signed him. Another botched move by Bloom maybe?

[moonslav59]

By not locking up Bogey last offseason looks even more of a botched up move by Bloom now than it did before. Also what was the medicals on Storyland when they signed him. Another botched move by Bloom maybe?

 

Doctor Bloom, to you.

[iortiz]

By not locking up Bogey last offseason looks even more of a botched up move by Bloom now than it did before. Also what was the medicals on Storyland when they signed him. Another botched move by Bloom maybe?

 

Sale 2.0

[MADSTORK]

By not locking up Bogey last offseason looks even more of a botched up move by Bloom now than it did before. Also what was the medicals on Storyland when they signed him. Another botched move by Bloom maybe?

 

Garbage GM continues to bring in the garbage

 

Team has not improved

 

Up the middle is non existent

 

Complete embarrassment to the fans

 

Priceless

[vjcsmoke]

Bloom booed on stage as he tries to explain to Red Sox Nation why he traded Mookie Betts for Alex Verdugo and a bag of chips:

 

[vjcsmoke]

By not locking up Bogey last offseason looks even more of a botched up move by Bloom now than it did before. Also what was the medicals on Storyland when they signed him. Another botched move by Bloom maybe?

 

Bloom wanted to replace Bogaerts with a cheaper player in Story and overlooked the injury risks in his quest for cheapness.

 

Now we're stuck without a starting shortstop and have to find a new one anyways either through free agency or trade.

[Hugh2]

Bloom wanted to replace Bogaerts with a cheaper player in Story and overlooked the injury risks in his quest for cheapness.

 

Now we're stuck without a starting shortstop and have to find a new one anyways either through free agency or trade.

 

No, they wanted Story at SS and to extend Bogey. Just because they royally screwed up bringing Bogey back doesn't mean they didn't want him.

[moonslav59]

No, they wanted Story at SS and to extend Bogey. Just because they royally screwed up bringing Bogey back doesn't mean they didn't want him.

 

I think, had they extended Bogey, Bogey would be the SS in 2023 and Story at 2B. After 2023, things may have changed.