Fire Bloom .

[Larry Cook]

Kluber says he’s in.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10016948-corey-kluber-eyes-red-sox-in-2022-mlb-free-agency-theyre-well-aware-of-how-i-feel

 

 

Of course he says that to Boston every year…

 

I would take him in a heartbeat. Not sure what hang’em Chaim is thinking.

[a700hitter]

Kluber says he’s in.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10016948-corey-kluber-eyes-red-sox-in-2022-mlb-free-agency-theyre-well-aware-of-how-i-feel

 

 

Of course he says that to Boston every year…

Breaking news, Gaylord Perry would love to pitch at Fenway.

[a700hitter]

I hope that Bloom’s pitching plan isn’t Kluber and Hamels.

[notin]

I hope that Bloom’s pitching plan isn’t Kluber and Hamels.

 

So far, the only one to link the Sox to Hamels is 5Gold..

[moonslav59]

Kluber says he’s in.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10016948-corey-kluber-eyes-red-sox-in-2022-mlb-free-agency-theyre-well-aware-of-how-i-feel

 

 

Of course he says that to Boston every year…

 

He seems like the perfect Bloom signing.

 

Perez I

Perez II and Richards

Paxton and Wacha

 

[mvp 78]

He seems like the perfect Bloom signing.

 

Perez I

Perez II and Richards

Paxton and Wacha

 

 

Kluber is much better than those guys.

[moonslav59]

Kluber is much better than those guys.

 

He should be, but I'm not sure he out pitches the 2022 Wacha.

 

I'm fine with signing him, and I'd rather have him over Nate, who might cost more.

 

I was hoping we might add a 1/2 SP'er not a 3/4 with hopes of being a 2.

 

Maybe we sign Kluber and trade for a 1/2, but trade who?

[mvp 78]

He should be, but I'm not sure he out pitches the 2022 Wacha.

 

I'm fine with signing him, and I'd rather have him over Nate, who might cost more.

 

I was hoping we might add a 1/2 SP'er not a 3/4 with hopes of being a 2.

 

Maybe we sign Kluber and trade for a 1/2, but trade who?

 

He outpitched Wacha last season.

 

Wacha: 1.5 fWAR, 127 IP, 3.99 xFIP, bb/9 2.19

Kluber: 3.0 fWAR, 164 IP, 3.92 xFIP, bb/9 1.15

 

Once Wacha's BABIP luck regresses, he's toast again.

[moonslav59]

He outpitched Wacha last season.

 

Wacha: 1.5 fWAR, 127 IP, 3.99 xFIP, bb/9 2.19

Kluber: 3.0 fWAR, 164 IP, 3.92 xFIP, bb/9 1.15

 

Once Wacha's BABIP luck regresses, he's toast again.

 

I value FIP, but not as much as fangraphs does.

 

bWAR

3.3 Wacha

0.7 Kluber (2.1 2021+2022)

 

I'm not so sure Kluber matches his own 2022, either, but I agree, Wacha has a worse chance at duplicating '22.

 

OPS Against in 2022

.693 Wacha

.729 Kluber

 

36 points is not chump change. Lord knows, Wacha did not have great D behind him, either.

Edited December 12, 2022 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

I value FIP, but not as much as fangraphs does.

 

bWAR

3.3 Wacha

0.7 Kluber (2.1 2021+2022)

 

I'm not so sure Kluber matches his own 2022, either, but I agree, Wacha has a worse chance at duplicating '22.

 

OPS Against in 2022

.693 Wacha

.729 Kluber

 

36 points is not chump change. Lord knows, Wacha did not have great D behind him, either.

 

OPS includes Wacha's BABIP luck.

 

Wacha

Career: 298

2019: 313

2021: 312

2022: 260

 

Wonder where that 36 points came from???

 

Wacha was hit harder than Kluber. Higher barrel rate, higher EV and an xERA of 4.56.

[moonslav59]

OPS includes Wacha's BABIP luck.

 

Wacha

Career: 298

2019: 313

2021: 312

2022: 260

 

Wonder where that 36 points came from??? .

 

We know it wasn't from great D behind him. Some obviously came from:

 

Hard hit%

42.7 '18

39.5 '19

35.5 '20

39.0 '21

30.3 '22

 

Soft hit:

15.9

14.5

15.5

10.8

18.9

 

Okay, he had some luck, but he also helped himself get better numbers.

 

Kluber had better hard hit and soft hit numbers, even better than his career numbers, so maybe he comes back to reality, next year, too.

 

I'll take Kluber over Wacha, so I'm not sure why we need to do this. Boredom, I guess.

[mvp 78]

We know it wasn't from great D behind him. Some obviously came from:

 

Hard hit%

42.7 '18

39.5 '19

35.5 '20

39.0 '21

30.3 '22

 

Soft hit:

15.9

14.5

15.5

10.8

18.9

 

Okay, he had some luck, but he also helped himself get better numbers.

 

Kluber had better hard hit and soft hit numbers, even better than his career numbers, so maybe he comes back to reality, next year, too.

 

I'll take Kluber over Wacha, so I'm not sure why we need to do this. Boredom, I guess.

 

1. Yes, it was luck.

2. We went through this process because you wanted to be disagreeable.

[Hugh2]

I’m starting to wonder if Syndergarrd is the guy Bloom ends up signing.

[mvp 78]

I’m starting to wonder if Syndergarrd is the guy Bloom ends up signing.

 

Going back to the 5 aces thing from 2015...

[moonslav59]

1. Yes, it was luck.

2. We went through this process because you wanted to be disagreeable.

 

I agreed some was luck, but provided some info that showed he pitched better, too. It wasn't all luck. How much does a hard hit % drop of almost 9% affect one's numbers?

 

And, that 9% did not move to medium hit: it moved to soft hit. 9% less hard hits, and 9% more soft hits, makes a significant dent in BAbip. Right?

 

BTW, it was you who disagreed with me.

[mvp 78]

BTW, it was you who disagreed with me.

 

Wrong.

[moonslav59]

Wrong.

 

Post #7297 agreed with you.

 

#7298 began the disagreement phase.

[mvp 78]

Post #7297 agreed with you.

 

#7298 began the disagreement phase.

 

Nope.

[moonslav59]

Nope.

 

Disagreeing again.

[Bobe2]

A new approach to Bloom

https://calltothepen.com/2022/12/09/chaim-bloom-tampa-bay-rays-secret-weapon-boston-red-sox/

[moonslav59]

A new approach to Bloom

https://calltothepen.com/2022/12/09/chaim-bloom-tampa-bay-rays-secret-weapon-boston-red-sox/

 

200% hogwash

[Bobe2]

200% hogwash

 

It’s what some people are thinking, And there is nothing to prove them wrong. I’m not saying I agree with this, but it is a terrifying thought

[moonslav59]

It’s what some people are thinking, And there is nothing to prove them wrong. I’m not saying I agree with this, but it is a terrifying thought

 

That sounds an awful lot like a former politician's way out for spouting absurdities, "A lot of people are saying, ______."

[dgalehouse]

An analogy: Bloom is the promising young hitter promoted from AAA who has trouble adjusting to major league pitching. Will he figure it out before it's too late ?

[Old Red]

It’s what some people are thinking, And there is nothing to prove them wrong. I’m not saying I agree with this, but it is a terrifying thought

 

Ah Chaim Bloom playing Jethro Bodine being a double agent. So now we have Bloom being Henry’s Dummy, and being a Secret Agent Man. What could be next?

[Bobe2]

That sounds an awful lot like a former politician's way out for spouting absurdities, "A lot of people are saying, ______."

 

I didn’t write the article, it’s controversial and I thought it should be put up here so people can make their own decisions on it. In case you hadn’t noticed there are a lot of unscrupulous people in today’s world

[dgalehouse]

Here is the question: Is Bloom a Tampa Bay mole or is he just incompetent ?

[moonslav59]

I didn’t write the article, it’s controversial and I thought it should be put up here so people can make their own decisions on it. In case you hadn’t noticed there are a lot of unscrupulous people in today’s world

 

Oh, I notice.

[Bobe2]

Here is the question: Is Bloom a Tampa Bay mole or is he just incompetent ?

 

Is one worse than the other, if not it really doesn’t matter, it spells out cellar either way

[moonslav59]

An analogy: Bloom is the promising young hitter promoted from AAA who has trouble adjusting to major league pitching. Will he figure it out before it's too late ?

 

Personally, I think that analogy is way off.

 

He's a MLB hitter forced to swing one-handed.