Fire Bloom .

[redsoxrules]

Bogaerts - 42 RBI: not a run producer

 

Renfroe - 39 RBI: a real run producer

 

XB- 96 games

Renfroe - 65 games

[MADSTORK]

Bogaerts - 42 RBI: not a run producer

 

Renfroe - 39 RBI: a real run producer

 

Soto 45 rbi

 

What’s your point?

[mvp 78]

Soto 45 rbi

 

What’s your point?

 

Is he a run producer?

[MADSTORK]

Henry has been a great owner, and the 4 championships attest to that. I think the criticism now for some comes from the notion that JH now is not the same JH as when he first got here. I think that the old JH would have had the Bogey, and Raffy contract situations all worked out by now, and it’s a question if Mookie would have been traded, or not. Of course the salary structure has gone up 10 fold from when JH first arrived in Boston, which does make a big difference.

 

Salary structure is pure Disney World

If Owners want to continue with no salary cap and no salary cap floor this is what you get referring to “bad contracts”

 

Like I said Ownership needed to revamp the ML Development system and Scouting Department to keep the pipeline flowing

The lack of Pitching in this Organization is laughable with the resources they have

End result “you overpay on the free agent market “ and or trades see Benny deal!

 

It’s a fine line when signing long term extensions. End of the day if baseball is your business you need to identify the players who warrant a long term deal and even then it’s a risk “see Trout”

 

Boston produced 2 “once in a generational talent” players, Betts and Devers. You have to identify these players at a younger age and buy out the Arb years and extending a contract in their prime years, that’s the business your in

Next on the list is Mayer

 

This is why Story signing was ridiculous. Coors field numbers don’t warrant a six figure deal until age 34. Arroyo was fine at 2B with yorke in system.

Take The 23 mill a year from story and the new advertising money you just received at 20 million a year on the uniform and there is your “once in a generational talent money” to make a run at in this case Devers

 

Bloom is a bust ! It’s that simple ladies and gentlemen

 

Those are the facts and the facts are undisputed!

[MADSTORK]

Is he a run producer?

 

Like I said, What’s your point?

[Elktonnick]

Henry has been a great owner, and the 4 championships attest to that. I think the criticism now for some comes from the notion that JH now is not the same JH as when he first got here. I think that the old JH would have had the Bogey, and Raffy contract situations all worked out by now, and it’s a question if Mookie would have been traded, or not. Of course the salary structure has gone up 10 fold from when JH first arrived in Boston, which does make a big difference.

 

From what I'm hearing is that Henry has other interests in other professional sports that is causing him to not place developing and spending money on the Red Sox as important to him as he once did.

If someone with as wide a portfolio of interests as has Henry it is quite natural for him not devote as high a percentage of his time and money on the Red Sox as he has done in the past when the Red Sox were his only major sports franchise. He now owns Liverpool which may be almost as valuable as the Red Sox, the Penguins and he is trying to buy an NBA franchise.

[Old Red]

From what I'm hearing is that Henry has other interests in other professional sports that is causing him to not place developing and spending money on the Red Sox as important to him as he once did.

If someone with as wide a portfolio of interests as has Henry it is quite natural for him not devote as high a percentage of his time and money on the Red Sox as he has done in the past when the Red Sox were his only major sports franchise. He now owns Liverpool which may be almost as valuable as the Red Sox, the Penguins and he is trying to buy an NBA franchise.

 

Well said, and I have mentioned before that JH has more interest now than what he had when he first bought the Red Sox. What happens in the next 6-12 months starting in the next few days will tell how JH will operate the Red Sox from here on out.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Salary structure is pure Disney World

If Owners want to continue with no salary cap and no salary cap floor this is what you get referring to “bad contracts”

 

Like I said Ownership needed to revamp the ML Development system and Scouting Department to keep the pipeline flowing

The lack of Pitching in this Organization is laughable with the resources they have

End result “you overpay on the free agent market “ and or trades see Benny deal!

 

It’s a fine line when signing long term extensions. End of the day if baseball is your business you need to identify the players who warrant a long term deal and even then it’s a risk “see Trout”

 

Boston produced 2 “once in a generational talent” players, Betts and Devers. You have to identify these players at a younger age and buy out the Arb years and extending a contract in their prime years, that’s the business your in

Next on the list is Mayer

 

This is why Story signing was ridiculous. Coors field numbers don’t warrant a six figure deal until age 34. Arroyo was fine at 2B with yorke in system.

Take The 23 mill a year from story and the new advertising money you just received at 20 million a year on the uniform and there is your “once in a generational talent money” to make a run at in this case Devers

 

Bloom is a bust ! It’s that simple ladies and gentlemen

 

Those are the facts and the facts are undisputed!

 

Good post.

[cp176]

Salary structure is pure Disney World

If Owners want to continue with no salary cap and no salary cap floor this is what you get referring to “bad contracts”

 

Like I said Ownership needed to revamp the ML Development system and Scouting Department to keep the pipeline flowing

The lack of Pitching in this Organization is laughable with the resources they have

End result “you overpay on the free agent market “ and or trades see Benny deal!

 

It’s a fine line when signing long term extensions. End of the day if baseball is your business you need to identify the players who warrant a long term deal and even then it’s a risk “see Trout”

 

Boston produced 2 “once in a generational talent” players, Betts and Devers. You have to identify these players at a younger age and buy out the Arb years and extending a contract in their prime years, that’s the business your in

Next on the list is Mayer

 

This is why Story signing was ridiculous. Coors field numbers don’t warrant a six figure deal until age 34. Arroyo was fine at 2B with yorke in system.

Take The 23 mill a year from story and the new advertising money you just received at 20 million a year on the uniform and there is your “once in a generational talent money” to make a run at in this case Devers

 

Bloom is a bust ! It’s that simple ladies and gentlemen

 

Those are the facts and the facts are undisputed!

 

This may be a painful post to some but it makes a lot of sense.

[cp176]

Well said, and I have mentioned before that JH has more interest now than what he had when he first bought the Red Sox. What happens in the next 6-12 months starting in the next few days will tell how JH will operate the Red Sox from here on out.

 

 

I've been saying the same thing for quite some time now. He could sign anyone that he chooses to sign. Unless something changes, Bloom's methodology will not fly in the northeast even if they should win more than they lose. JH wants people to pay attention to the sox, he needs to put a quality product on the field. We lost Betts - lose Devers another generational guy and and times will be tough for Bloom to survive in Boston. this is a large market team.

[Bellhorn04]

From what I'm hearing is that Henry has other interests in other professional sports that is causing him to not place developing and spending money on the Red Sox as important to him as he once did.

If someone with as wide a portfolio of interests as has Henry it is quite natural for him not devote as high a percentage of his time and money on the Red Sox as he has done in the past when the Red Sox were his only major sports franchise. He now owns Liverpool which may be almost as valuable as the Red Sox, the Penguins and he is trying to buy an NBA franchise.

 

It's tiresome to have to keep repeating that the Red Sox payroll for tax purposes is 242 million this year.

 

What does it really matter what his other interests are? All he has to do for the Red Sox is set the budget and let his baseball people do the rest.

 

I think the real bottom line, though, is this: let's revisit the spending thing next April. With so much money coming off the books and talent off the roster, they really do have to spend.

[Bellhorn04]

When STORK starts making sense to you, it's not a good sign. The guy just spews stuff. Some is true and some is nonsense. One thing he has lambasted Bloom for is not trading for Berrios. He fails to mention that Berrios has SUCKED this year with a 5.20 ERA. He's one of those people who never lets the facts get in the way of a good story.

[Bellhorn04]

I've been saying the same thing for quite some time now. He could sign anyone that he chooses to sign. Unless something changes, Bloom's methodology will not fly in the northeast even if they should win more than they lose. JH wants people to pay attention to the sox, he needs to put a quality product on the field. We lost Betts - lose Devers another generational guy and and times will be tough for Bloom to survive in Boston. this is a large market team.

 

If anyone is to blame for not keeping Betts, it's Henry and/or Dombrowski. Why didn't Dave sign him to an extension when he was here?

 

Bloom is just the one who was given the dirty work of trading Mookie.

[moonslav59]

Bogaerts - 42 RBI: not a run producer

 

Renfroe - 39 RBI: a real run producer

 

Real iron man, too!

 

😉

[moonslav59]

If anyone is to blame for not keeping Betts, it's Henry and/or Dombrowski. Why didn't Dave sign him to an extension when he was here?

 

Bloom is just the one who was given the dirty work of trading Mookie.

 

This is what some Bloom bashers can’t grasp.

[moonslav59]

When STORK starts making sense to you, it's not a good sign. The guy just spews stuff. Some is true and some is nonsense. One thing he has lambasted Bloom for is not trading for Berrios. He fails to mention that Berrios has SUCKED this year with a 5.20 ERA. He's one of those people who never lets the facts get in the way of a good story.

 

Even after telling him, he keeps repeating the same nonsense.

[Bellhorn04]

Even after telling him, he keeps repeating the same nonsense.

 

It's like talking to a brick wall.

 

And he still won't say who his team is. That's spineless.

[jad]

This is what some Bloom bashers can’t grasp.

 

For most posters, 'Bloom' is just short-hand for 'Bloom/Henry.' There's no point in repeating in every post that Henry is his boss.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

It's like talking to a brick wall.

 

And he still won't say who his team is. That's spineless.

 

He should change his moniker to MADJELLYFISH. Not only are jellyfish spineless, they're also brainless. Look it up.

Edited July 29, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[moonslav59]

He should change his moniker to MADJELLYFISH. Not only are jellyfish spineless, they're also brainless. Look it up.

 

But some jellyfish live forever!

[moonslav59]

For most posters, 'Bloom' is just short-hand for 'Bloom/Henry.' There's no point in repeating in every post that Henry is his boss.

 

Tell me how the Sox “ fire” Henry.

 

Better yet, tell me why.

[Bellhorn04]

For most posters, 'Bloom' is just short-hand for 'Bloom/Henry.' There's no point in repeating in every post that Henry is his boss.

 

I did not know that. I thought Henry is the one who takes heat for not spending enough and Bloom is the one who takes heat for making bad moves.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

When STORK starts making sense to you, it's not a good sign. The guy just spews stuff. Some is true and some is nonsense. One thing he has lambasted Bloom for is not trading for Berrios. He fails to mention that Berrios has SUCKED this year with a 5.20 ERA. He's one of those people who never lets the facts get in the way of a good story.

 

I was all in on Berrios, and have also acknowledged that he's a bust this year. So credit to Bloom if he or his office knew something we mere mortals didn't.

 

But I still say proven guys under 30 are the type that builds stability in a rotation... and come on, they're less likely to break down midseason than the comebacking Wachas and Hills...

 

... unless you have a scout with inside info that the guy is a bad risk, for whatever reason.

[jad]

I did not know that. I thought Henry is the one who takes heat for not spending enough and Bloom is the one who takes heat for making bad moves.

 

I admit I really don't know what nuanced views other posters have on this. But I can't believe anyone thinks, say, that getting rid of Mookie is entirely Bloom's doing.

[moonslav59]

I did not know that. I thought Henry is the one who takes heat for not spending enough and Bloom is the one who takes heat for making bad moves.

 

Bloom also gets heat for not spending what isn’t given to him, or for not nailing 7 all stars on a $40M winter spending budget.

[Bellhorn04]

I admit I really don't know what nuanced views other posters have on this. But I can't believe anyone thinks, say, that getting rid of Mookie is entirely Bloom's doing.

 

Well, some people sure make it sound that way.

[Bellhorn04]

I was all in on Berrios, and have also acknowledged that he's a bust this year. So credit to Bloom if he or his office knew something we mere mortals didn't.

 

But I still say proven guys under 30 are the type that builds stability in a rotation... and come on, they're less likely to break down midseason than the comebacking Wachas and Hills...

 

... unless you have a scout with inside info that the guy is a bad risk, for whatever reason.

 

Wacha and Hill were lottery tickets, no question.

 

I think Bloom was counting on Sale, Eovaldi, Pivetta, maybe Whitlock, maybe some of the young guys like Crawford and Winckowski, Paxton late in the year etc.

[cp176]

If anyone is to blame for not keeping Betts, it's Henry and/or Dombrowski. Why didn't Dave sign him to an extension when he was here?

 

Bloom is just the one who was given the dirty work of trading Mookie.

 

I'm sorry my friend but beating Dombrowski to death is ridiculous. This has been a fun forum for me but obviously I am a fan of DD"s. I'm pretty sure that you know how I feel about a multi billionair's budget as well. Eventually the current administration has to take responsibility for what is going on.

[mvp 78]

Like I said, What’s your point?

 

Can’t answer the question?

[mvp 78]

When STORK starts making sense to you, it's not a good sign. The guy just spews stuff. Some is true and some is nonsense. One thing he has lambasted Bloom for is not trading for Berrios. He fails to mention that Berrios has SUCKED this year with a 5.20 ERA. He's one of those people who never lets the facts get in the way of a good story.

 

The Story signing did suck and Bloom has created a mess of a team this year. It’s been weird trying to figure out his 1b/OF/RP plans the past few years.