Fire Bloom .

[dgalehouse]

When you are the person in charge , whether it is a baseball team , football team, airline, city, country, corporation, hospital or the corner bodega, you are responsible for the results. Or at least you should be. Results matter. The Red Sox' results this year have not been too good. No amount of excuses, spin or buckpassing will change that.

[Old Red]

He didn’t cover himself in glory this year, that’s for sure. I think there’s probably at least another 12 months to go with Bloom no matter what.

 

Now this is something we can agree on.

[Old Red]

When you are the person in charge , whether it is a baseball team , football team, airline, city, country, corporation, hospital or the corner bodega, you are responsible for the results. Or at least you should be. Results matter. The Red Sox' results this year have not been too good. No amount of excuses, spin or buckpassing will change that.

 

Agree, and some seem to think that the bigger columns they write, and the more they defend Bloom that the last place in the standings will just magically disappear, and the Red Sox will be good again, but so far it hasn’t worked, and the Sox get farther away from 500, and lower in the total standings.

[moonslav59]

He didn’t cover himself in glory this year, that’s for sure. I think there’s probably at least another 12 months to go with Bloom no matter what.

 

No matter what?

 

If we surprisingly win it all, he'll be gone?

[Bellhorn04]

When you are the person in charge , whether it is a baseball team , football team, airline, city, country, corporation, hospital or the corner bodega, you are responsible for the results. Or at least you should be. Results matter. The Red Sox' results this year have not been too good. No amount of excuses, spin or buckpassing will change that.

 

We know that, Denny, we really do.

[Bellhorn04]

Agree, and some seem to think that the bigger columns they write, and the more they defend Bloom that the last place in the standings will just magically disappear, and the Red Sox will be good again, but so far it hasn’t worked, and the Sox get farther away from 500, and lower in the total standings.

 

Nope, nobody thinks that.

[Old Red]

Nope, nobody thinks that.

 

Maybe not, but all the trust, and loyalty is based on what? It certainly isn’t results. I’ll admit I was against Bloom’s hiring the day it happened, and nothing personally against him, but just his (Tampa) way. On the other hand I believe for some on here the trust, and loyalty started the day he was hired, and has continued despite the results.

[dgalehouse]

We know that, Denny, we really do.

 

We all know it. Some of us want to see a change .

[mvp 78]

No it starts with oh no, not Bloom Bashing. Anything, but that. I didn’t know Kimmi had a squad, and you would have to ask other posters on that.

 

Maybe it was “Kimmi’s Posse.”

[mvp 78]

No matter what?

 

If we surprisingly win it all, he'll be gone?

 

“At LEAST”

[Old Red]

We all know it. Some of us want to see a change .

 

A Nation Wide vote in Red Sox Nation I believe would end in a landslide.

[mvp 78]

AT LEAST you should read a post before responding.

[Old Red]

Maybe it was “Kimmi’s Posse.”

 

Didn’t know she had a posse either.

[mvp 78]

Nope, nobody thinks that.

 

A strawman does somewhere I bet!

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe not, but all the trust, and loyalty is based on what? It certainly isn’t results. I’ll admit I was against Bloom’s hiring the day it happened, and nothing personally against him, but just his (Tampa) way. On the other hand I believe for some on here the trust, and loyalty started the day he was hired, and has continued despite the results.

 

There's no question that a lot of the support for Bloom comes from the belief that the Rays Way Works.

 

I'm pretty sure that's why Henry hired him, too.

[Old Red]

There's no question that a lot of the support for Bloom comes from the belief that the Rays Way Works.

 

I'm pretty sure that's why Henry hired him, too.

 

Two big things.

 

1. Tampa hasn’t won anything.

 

2 Tampa is a long ways from Boston, and not just in miles. Red Sox Nation.

[dgalehouse]

Sammy Farge was doing a good job delivering the newspaper. So we put him in charge of the newsroom. It didn't work out.

[moonslav59]

There's no question that a lot of the support for Bloom comes from the belief that the Rays Way Works.

 

I'm pretty sure that's why Henry hired him, too.

 

It's not total or unqualified support, either.

 

Take the building of the farm high priority given to Bloom. On paper, it looks like he's done a fine job fulfilling that or at least has us on the right path. Some of us are happy with the gained potential value and have spoken well of Bloom's work in this area, but we won't see the results for years to come. One thing does seem certain, he's not trading away many prospects for sa reason, and that reason is likely that building the farm is a very high priority of the organization's very top leader(s).

 

Another area some of us have "taken Bloom's side" is in the area of the budget. There are those who think Bloom has chose to cut or limit spending each of his 3 years, or that the Betts/Price trade was not largely a budgetary choice, in nature. To some of us, the dead money and declining production of some of our highest paid and/or longest tenured players has been something in need of fixing, and this winter will see a lot of money coming off the books (not all dead money but much of it is.)

 

Do these two areas have anything to do with building the current team and the results of the current team? I'd say yes. Others would call it excuse making, and in many ways, it is, but context is needed when judging any GM.

 

Yes, 3 years is a long time, despite 2020 hardly being a real year. The hopes 2021 brought us was largely of Bloom's making along with decent years by many of DD's guys. Now, things have gone sour, and of course the man in charge holds a lot of the responsibility. Nobody has said he did everything right. Nobody has even said he's done 70 or 80% right. (Not many GMs do.)

 

I seriously doubt they fire Bloom for doing a pretty good job on 2 of the highest priorities and being one for two on the third one.

 

[mvp 78]

Going over the luxury tax limit and coming in last in such a pitiful way is a big stain on Bloom’s legacy if he never wins the big one here even if some of his prospects pan out.

[moonslav59]

Going over the luxury tax limit and coming in last in such a pitiful way is a big stain on Bloom’s legacy if he never wins the big one here even if some of his prospects pan out.

 

No doubt.

 

Part of me wonders if the Story signing was an after thought or reactionary move, but no matter what, not getting under the limit at the deadline has to be viewed as a major mistake. Worse than the Renfroe trade? Maybe.

 

It seems to me, that many of those most critical of Bloom, see the deadline mistake as the opposite of this. They wanted him to make moves to increase or chances at making the "crapshoot" playoffs. Notably, this would mean trading some of the farm, which seemingly goes against one of Henry's directives. To me, that would have been an even bigger mistake, and yet, to me, the criticism seems wrongly placed.

[Old Red]

Sammy Farge was doing a good job delivering the newspaper. So we put him in charge of the newsroom. It didn't work out.

 

Sammy was also delivering that newspaper in a small town too.

[Old Red]

No doubt.

 

Part of me wonders if the Story signing was an after thought or reactionary move, but no matter what, not getting under the limit at the deadline has to be viewed as a major mistake. Worse than the Renfroe trade? Maybe.

 

It seems to me, that many of those most critical of Bloom, see the deadline mistake as the opposite of this. They wanted him to make moves to increase or chances at making the "crapshoot" playoffs. Notably, this would mean trading some of the farm, which seemingly goes against one of Henry's directives. To me, that would have been an even bigger mistake, and yet, to me, the criticism seems wrongly placed.

You are making to much of the trade deadline, and not what I think was the bigger problem, which was getting 1B help 2 months sooner than Bloom did, and not getting a RHH OF before the season even started. Lord forbid if the Sox would have had to give up a suspect.

[mvp 78]

You are making to much of the trade deadline, and not what I think was the bigger problem, which was getting 1B help 2 months sooner than Bloom did, and not getting a RHH OF before the season even started. Lord forbid if the Sox would have had to give up a suspect.

 

If they had Renfroe and Hosmer on 4/1, this team is what 10 games back instead of 17?

[Old Red]

If they had Renfroe and Hosmer on 4/1, this team is what 10 games back instead of 17?

 

That is hindsight now, but not moving when it could have mattered to me is incompetence. Watching Franchy Strange Glove, and the Butterfly Man in CF to me was embarrassing if nothing else.

[Elktonnick]

If they had Renfroe and Hosmer on 4/1, this team is what 10 games back instead of 17?

Or wildcard no wildcard.

[mvp 78]

Or wildcard no wildcard.

 

10 games back in ALE is still slightly behind SEA in WC.

[mvp 78]

That is hindsight now, but not moving when it could have mattered to me is incompetence. Watching Franchy Strange Glove, and the Butterfly Man in CF to me was embarrassing if nothing else.

 

Oh THAT is hindsight.

[Bellhorn04]

Two big things.

 

1. Tampa hasn’t won anything.

 

2 Tampa is a long ways from Boston, and not just in miles. Red Sox Nation.

 

The other aspect of this is everyone sees what Friedman has done with the Dodgers. Friedman was part of the Rays Way and now he's Rays Way Plus Money.

 

I think Henry likewise envisioned the Red Sox could be Rays Way Plus Money.

[Bellhorn04]

Sammy Farge was doing a good job delivering the newspaper. So we put him in charge of the newsroom. It didn't work out.

 

Theo had no experience as a GM when the Sox hired him either.

 

If you always go with experienced guys you basically have to get someone who was just fired by another team, like DD.

[Elktonnick]

10 games back in ALE is still slightly behind SEA in WC.

 

But with over 30 games to play it is more plausible than the crap team we have out there now.