Fire Bloom .

[mvp 78]

Teel is a college hitter with a great presence behind the plate. He was going to start in AA next season, so may as well call him up for a few weeks at the end of the year.

[cp176]

What's your actual point?

 

Also, Bloom ain't going nowhere.

 

I thought the point was pretty clear. Bloom's moves confuse me.

[cp176]

Teel is a college hitter with a great presence behind the plate. He was going to start in AA next season, so may as well call him up for a few weeks at the end of the year.

 

I did think that Yorke was older. I understand that he has had some injury issues but I would have liked to have seen him get some time at second base.

[mvp 78]

I did think that Yorke was older. I understand that he has had some injury issues but I would have liked to have seen him get some time at second base.

 

He's spent a lot of time at 2b at an appropriate level for him: AA.

[notin]

I just find many of Bloom's deals confusing. Good or bad - I don't know but confusing. We have a need at second base. How is old is Yorke? On the other hand, Wong appears to be a decent starting catcher moving forward but yet Teel has already moved to AA bypassing any catchers that we have up to that level. If Teel is this talented, wouldn't it kind of make sense that he really is on the fast track to Boston. In my mind that makes Wong a legitimate trade prospect who might attract some attention. We don't need another Fisk to backup another Fisk. A Montgomery will do. We have those guys already. The purpose of my post isn't to make any kind of trade proposal but just to say that I don't get much that I see happening. In my world, common sense says that Yorke should have been given a look by now. otherwise I think they should try package and move players like him who have talent but just don't fit the scheme whatever it might be moving forward. oh and yes I am surprised by Teel's rapid rise to that level.

 

In my world, common sense tells me it’s not vital to trade all the 21yo players who aren’t in MLB yet…

[mvp 78]

In my world, common sense tells me it’s not vital to trade all the 21yo players who aren’t in MLB yet…

 

He and Blaze are Rule 5 eligible in 2024 though! Time to panic!

[cp176]

In my world, common sense tells me it’s not vital to trade all the 21yo players who aren’t in MLB yet…

 

oh I understand. I'm not advocating trading him specifically. I just don't think that is going to be room to keep them all.

[moonslav59]

oh I understand. I'm not advocating trading him specifically. I just don't think that is going to be room to keep them all.

 

Eventually, maybe not, but we can wait until we know we have a bottleneck or to make room on the roster in case we may lose a promising player to Rule 5.

 

We don't have to wait, but we can.

[cp176]

Eventually, maybe not, but we can wait until we know we have a bottleneck or to make room on the roster in case we may lose a promising player to Rule 5.

 

We don't have to wait, but we can.

 

I know and I am not in panic mode. Just want to see a team out there that I can get excited about. I actually would likely watch them seriously again if I saw a youth movement in general. As much as I like Turner, Duval, and actually Verdugo, I see players like Rafaela, Abreu, Duran, and Casas as players I would to see held on to.

[moonslav59]

I know and I am not in panic mode. Just want to see a team out there that I can get excited about. I actually would likely watch them seriously again if I saw a youth movement in general. As much as I like Turner, Duval, and actually Verdugo, I see players like Rafaela, Abreu, Duran, and Casas as players I would to see held on to.

 

I'm with you on this.

[mvp 78]

I know and I am not in panic mode. Just want to see a team out there that I can get excited about. I actually would likely watch them seriously again if I saw a youth movement in general. As much as I like Turner, Duval, and actually Verdugo, I see players like Rafaela, Abreu, Duran, and Casas as players I would to see held on to.

 

They'll get there. Just wait. Sox drafted some High School guys that will take a few extra years to reach the majors (Mayer, Yorke, etc.). There could be a real dramatic influx of talent considering all the big named prospects at AA and above right now.

[moonslav59]

They'll get there. Just wait. Sox drafted some High School guys that will take a few extra years to reach the majors (Mayer, Yorke, etc.). There could be a real dramatic influx of talent considering all the big named prospects at AA and above right now.

 

...and since we drafted some college players, recently, maybe a whole bunch will come due around the same 2-3 year period.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They'll get there. Just wait. Sox drafted some High School guys that will take a few extra years to reach the majors (Mayer, Yorke, etc.). There could be a real dramatic influx of talent considering all the big named prospects at AA and above right now.

 

Six frat brothers horsing around the shortstop position, pushing and shoving each other into the outfield grass. Two of them start wrestling, someone gets caught in a headlock... now there's only five.

[moonslav59]

Six frat brothers horsing around the shortstop position, pushing and shoving each other into the outfield grass. Two of them start wrestling, someone gets caught in a headlock... now there's only five.

 

A bit morbid.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

A bit morbid.

 

He didn't snap his neck, just put him on the IL with tendonitis!

[mvp 78]

He didn't snap his neck, just put him on the IL with tendonitis!

 

At least nobody got stabbed in the forehead with a fork.

[moonslav59]

At least nobody got stabbed in the forehead with a fork.

 

I guess that is worse than being choked.

[cp176]

They'll get there. Just wait. Sox drafted some High School guys that will take a few extra years to reach the majors (Mayer, Yorke, etc.). There could be a real dramatic influx of talent considering all the big named prospects at AA and above right now.

 

I'm older - not old of course but I remember '67 just sneaking up on all of us. They were young and they were good. We were unfamiliar with most of the young guys that year until we had a chance to see them on the big stage. - Foy-Bresseud-Andrews-Scott-Conigliaro-Smith and one of the old timers at that time Yaz. Initially we had a pitching staff that looked like a one man show -Lonborg although Billy rohr got us excited early. We need a Lonborg pitching for us next year. I have been admonished for not making my points clear lol so here goes. I would be very content with a very young team next year. Obviously we need at least one quality starter in there. Upgrade the defense at second base and centerfield and bring in what might qualify as an ace, and I'll be all in.

[moonslav59]

I'm older - not old of course but I remember '67 just sneaking up on all of us. They were young and they were good. We were unfamiliar with most of the young guys that year until we had a chance to see them on the big stage. - Foy-Bresseud-Andrews-Scott-Conigliaro-Smith and one of the old timers at that time Yaz. Initially we had a pitching staff that looked like a one man show -Lonborg although Billy rohr got us excited early. We need a Lonborg pitching for us next year. I have been admonished for not making my points clear lol so here goes. I would be very content with a very young team next year. Obviously we need at least one quality starter in there. Upgrade the defense at second base and centerfield and bring in what might qualify as an ace, and I'll be all in.

 

I feel the same way. Just one would be enough to get me into the content category, but 2 -3 would make us real contenders.

[Elktonnick]

Theo sighting on the Green line. Rumors are flying. Are the buzzards circling?

[moonslav59]

Theo sighting on the Green line. Rumors are flying. Are the buzzards circling?

 

Maybe he came to tell JH, to keep Bloom around for another 4 years.

 

LOL

[Elktonnick]

Maybe he came to tell JH, to keep Bloom around for another 4 years.

 

LOL

 

You would like that. Bloom and the Red Sox greatest manager ever Cora according to you.. what could go wromg.

[moonslav59]

You would like that. Bloom and the Red Sox greatest manager ever Cora according to you.. what could go wromg.

 

I'm not sure why you and others create this great fallacy image. The great scarecrow construction club.

 

Yes, after 2018, I felt like Cora was the GOAT for Sox managers. I'm not so sure about that, anymore. There may still be time for him to win that title.

 

I am not a Bloom fan, but you and others assume I am, since I spend a lot of time defending him against baseless or contextless accusations.

 

I would not be upset, if they bring Bloom back or fire him.

 

 

 

[Randy Red Sox]

Teel is a college hitter with a great presence behind the plate. He was going to start in AA next season, so may as well call him up for a few weeks at the end of the year.

 

Not a chance. Nothing like rushing the kid. Let him play AA next year and AAA in 2025 with a September callup.

[Randy Red Sox]

PS does it ever not rain in Boston ????

[a700hitter]

PS does it ever not rain in Boston ????

No!

[Elktonnick]

I'm not sure why you and others create this great fallacy image. The great scarecrow construction club.

 

Yes, after 2018, I felt like Cora was the GOAT for Sox managers. I'm not so sure about that, anymore. There may still be time for him to win that title.

 

I am not a Bloom fan, but you and others assume I am, since I spend a lot of time defending him against baseless or contextless accusations.

 

I would not be upset, if they bring Bloom back or fire him.

 

 

 

 

You have taken every position possible on Blooml and Cora sometimes in the same post. You have the courage of your convictions except your convictions are so flexible as to render them meaningless.

[moonslav59]

You have taken every position possible on Blooml and Cora sometimes in the same post. You have the courage of your convictions except your convictions are so flexible as to render them meaningless.

 

I have never said I think Bloom is a great or even good GM. You assume I do because I have defended him often.

 

I don't see everything as black and white, but that does not mean I am a man of no or ever-changing convictions. I have been wrong many times and freely admit it.

 

I no longer think Cora is the greatest, but I did after 2018. If that makes my convictions meaningless, to you, so be it.

 

You find one statement I have made that said Bloom was or has been a good GM. I have pointed out areas he has seemed to do well, like rebuilding the farm, but even there, I have qualified that by saying it is based a lot on speculation. I have graded out his moves and deals, several times, and usually come out at somewhere between a B- and C-, based on when I was grading and the results, at that time. Sounds like a ringing endorsement, to ou, I guess.

 

I have often pointed out the context for many of Bloom's choices, like the idea that it was not his idea to trade Betts, and that there were not dozens of trade offers for him, once it was clear he was going to be traded. You see that as a ringing endorsement of Bloom, but I see it as just stating what I think is true and is actually a neutral view on Bloom. Same with choices made due to the fact that he has 10-20 slots to fill and a small winter budget to try and win with- again- neutral. I see a GM put in an impossible situation and doing about what I would expect- no better- now worse. You see that as my being in love with the guy. I don't.

 

If they make him the fall guy for the an organizational plan, as I feel they did to some extent with Ben, I won't be surprised. Bloom knew what he was getting into, so I won't feel sorry for him, if they can him.

 

If they keep him around, I won't be upset with him, if they limit his spending, this winter.

 

I said last winter was his "legacy" winter and a "make or break" time in his era. He failed. That will be his legacy. I'm not sure it will be the "break," but it's not my call.

 

I think he should have spent more on pitching. I think he should have made a trade for a young and solid pitcher, by now. That's my opinion. It hasn't changed or waivered, but that does not mean I can't or won't try to understand why it did not happened. If it was all Bloom's call, then it's on him. I'd be right in line with you and others calling for his firing. If it was the organization that decided to concentrate nearly all their priorities on building up a foundation on the 26 man roster, the 40 man roster and the farm, before splurging (money and prospects) on pitching, then why would anyone blame the GM?

 

I don't know what the plan has been or is now. We all know it hasn't worked for the big club since DD's last year, here, which is now 5 years, and that is all that seems to matter to you and your posse, but I try to look deeper. Again, if Bloom convinced upper brass that losing for 5 years was needed, I'd say it was not a good plan, and did not need to last 5 years, but to me, it looks like this has been the ownership group's call, all along- starting with a major shift in focus while DD was still here.

 

DD could not win under that new direction, either, but you would never dream of blaming him for 2019- yet the blame game runs rampant in today's society, and you and your posse excel at it. Hurray for you!

 

[Randy Red Sox]

I have never said I think Bloom is a great or even good GM. You assume I do because I have defended him often.

 

I don't see everything as black and white, but that does not mean I am a man of no or ever-changing convictions. I have been wrong many times and freely admit it.

 

I no longer think Cora is the greatest, but I did after 2018. If that makes my convictions meaningless, to you, so be it.

 

You find one statement I have made that said Bloom was or has been a good GM. I have pointed out areas he has seemed to do well, like rebuilding the farm, but even there, I have qualified that by saying it is based a lot on speculation. I have graded out his moves and deals, several times, and usually come out at somewhere between a B- and C-, based on when I was grading and the results, at that time. Sounds like a ringing endorsement, to ou, I guess.

 

I have often pointed out the context for many of Bloom's choices, like the idea that it was not his idea to trade Betts, and that there were not dozens of trade offers for him, once it was clear he was going to be traded. You see that as a ringing endorsement of Bloom, but I see it as just stating what I think is true and is actually a neutral view on Bloom. Same with choices made due to the fact that he has 10-20 slots to fill and a small winter budget to try and win with- again- neutral. I see a GM put in an impossible situation and doing about what I would expect- no better- now worse. You see that as my being in love with the guy. I don't.

 

If they make him the fall guy for the an organizational plan, as I feel they did to some extent with Ben, I won't be surprised. Bloom knew what he was getting into, so I won't feel sorry for him, if they can him.

 

If they keep him around, I won't be upset with him, if they limit his spending, this winter.

 

I said last winter was his "legacy" winter and a "make or break" time in his era. He failed. That will be his legacy. I'm not sure it will be the "break," but it's not my call.

 

I think he should have spent more on pitching. I think he should have made a trade for a young and solid pitcher, by now. That's my opinion. It hasn't changed or waivered, but that does not mean I can't or won't try to understand why it did not happened. If it was all Bloom's call, then it's on him. I'd be right in line with you and others calling for his firing. If it was the organization that decided to concentrate nearly all their priorities on building up a foundation on the 26 man roster, the 40 man roster and the farm, before splurging (money and prospects) on pitching, then why would anyone blame the GM?

 

I don't know what the plan has been or is now. We all know it hasn't worked for the big club since DD's last year, here, which is now 5 years, and that is all that seems to matter to you and your posse, but I try to look deeper. Again, if Bloom convinced upper brass that losing for 5 years was needed, I'd say it was not a good plan, and did not need to last 5 years, but to me, it looks like this has been the ownership group's call, all along- starting with a major shift in focus while DD was still here.

 

DD could not win under that new direction, either, but you would never dream of blaming him for 2019- yet the blame game runs rampant in today's society, and you and your posse excel at it. Hurray for you!

 

 

You make some good points here and I have felt all along that he has been handcuffed by John Henry. I remember the talk when Bloom was hired that he would bring a balanced approach coming from Tampa in that he would cut costs but be able to spend when needed as this is not a small market like Tampa. So he DID cut payroll drastically but he has still spent some $$ although I am not sure how well he spent those $$. His big sign was Story who in my view was an UNMITIGATED disaster. I think most of us believe that signing was made because they knew they would not be keeping Xander.

 

All that aside my biggest disappointment has been his inability to add any young quality SP. That was and still is one of Tampa's strengths but Bloom brought none of that to Boston. IMO he could have used the Mookie trade, and trading our impending FA'S from last year who all walked for next to nothing. He has also not used any high draft picks to add quality young pitching. This is his biggest fault in my view and I don't see any pitching prospects he has brought in as close to MLB ready. I think our farm system although improved on his watch is over-rated. I'd fire him after this year but have little faith that any new GM can do any better under this ownership's current philosophy.

[moonslav59]

Judge for yourselves: this was the roster at the end of 2019: (Remember: a team that did not make the playoffs and had already shed Kimbrell & Kelly without replacing them.)

 

Not brought bacK:

Porcello- played some with NYM in 2020, then never pitched again.

Betts & Price- famously traded for Dugo, Wong and Downs.

Holt- played sparingly on 2 teams in 2 years then gone from MLB.

 

Brought back:

ERod- out for all 2020 with COVID

Sale- out for so long, I forgot who he was.

Brian Johnson

Workman & Hembree (traded by Bloom for Pivetta- they b oth sucked afterwards)

Josh Taylor- out hurt for a long time

DHern- lol

Cashner, Lakins, Velazquez, Weber, Shawaryn, Brewer, Poyner, T Kelley, Chacin

(You guys act like Bloom took over the 2018 team in full health.)

Vaz and Leon

Moreland and Sam Travis

Marco Hernandez and Chris Owings

Bogey

Devers

Beni (later traded for Wink & Gambrell plus Franchy and others)

JBJ (left via FA after 2020 only to return in a blunder trade)

Gorkys Hernandez

JD

 

Be honest with yourself. Look closely at that roster above. Now, look at the foundation for 2024's team. Yup, the rotation is in shambles, but what about the rest?

 

I'm not calling Bloom a genius, great or even good, but I do count context when passing final judgement, and I see marked improvement on the 26 and 40. The farm improvement is all speculative and won't be known for years- good, meh or bad.

 

If we change GM, and he chooses well on selecting next year's rotation, he may get us to the promised land and get most of the credit. Sound familiar?