Fire Bloom .

[Bellhorn04]

Well….which one is it?

 

Stearns is already deep in talks with the Mets. The rumor of the Sox interest in him is a bad joke.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Stearns is already deep in talks with the Mets. The rumor of the Sox interest in him is a bad joke.

 

... only if it's reported interest.

[Bellhorn04]

Zach Eflin has pitched 155.2 pretty good innings for the Rays. He would be leading the Red Sox in innings pitched-enormously helpful to our whole staff.

 

But hey, the Rays matched our offer and that was that.

 

Yes, I'm still pissed off and still somewhat in disbelief, frankly, about Bloom's offseason neglect of the rotation.

[Bellhorn04]

... only if it's reported interest.

 

Don't know where the rumor came from, but it seems like just more evidence that things are not right in the Sox organization.

[notin]

Zach Eflin has pitched 155.2 pretty good innings for the Rays. He would be leading the Red Sox in innings pitched-enormously helpful to our whole staff.

 

But hey, the Rays matched our offer and that was that.

 

Yes, I'm still pissed off and still somewhat in disbelief, frankly, about Bloom's offseason neglect of the rotation.

 

The one you can’t blame him for is Eflin. The guy wanted to go to Tampa. Reportedly he never gave Bloom a chance to counter…

[Bellhorn04]

The one you can’t blame him for is Eflin. The guy wanted to go to Tampa. Reportedly he never gave Bloom a chance to counter…

 

That may be so, but of course we'll never get the full story. We'll never know if a more aggressive negotiation would have succeeded.

 

In any case, this was symptomatic of Bloom's total failure to bolster a rotation that needed it desperately.

[mvp 78]

Stearns is already deep in talks with the Mets. The rumor of the Sox interest in him is a bad joke.

 

It's not likely as I believe Stearns is a NY guy. I don't know how or why the Sox were reported again as interest kings. Maybe to increase the $$$? Maybe just to get the market talking?

 

Is JH really looking elsewhere? If so, it's Theo or bust. Back up that Brinks truck and bring the GOAT home.

[mvp 78]

Don't know where the rumor came from, but it seems like just more evidence that things are not right in the Sox organization.

 

A lot of rumors aren't always generated out of the organization, but just floated as speculation.

[mvp 78]

That may be so, but of course we'll never get the full story. We'll never know if a more aggressive negotiation would have succeeded.

 

In any case, this was symptomatic of Bloom's total failure to bolster a rotation that needed it desperately.

 

Yup.

[notin]

That may be so, but of course we'll never get the full story. We'll never know if a more aggressive negotiation would have succeeded.

 

In any case, this was symptomatic of Bloom's total failure to bolster a rotation that needed it desperately.

 

I can pass on Eflin due to the uncertainty and the situation. And I don’t mind Kluber, because I don’t judge moves on hindsight, and Kluber certainly have reasons in 2022 to indicate he’d at least be a competent signing.

 

But ignoring the pitching at the trade deadline for the second year in a row was beyond my comprehension.

[mvp 78]

Bloom offered Eovaldi a contract, but took it off the table when Eovaldi looked elsewhere. 2.8 fWAR

 

Bloom then offered Eflin a contract, but lost out to the Rays who simply matched the contract. 4.1 fWAR

 

Bloom decided to go with the backup plan of Corey Kluber. -0.8 fWAR

 

Big yikes.

[notin]

Bloom offered Eovaldi a contract, but took it off the table when Eovaldi looked elsewhere. 2.8 fWAR

 

Bloom then offered Eflin a contract, but lost out to the Rays who simply matched the contract. 4.1 fWAR

 

Bloom decided to go with the backup plan of Corey Kluber. -0.8 fWAR

 

Big yikes.

 

The bigger yikes was stopping there. The problem wasn’t getting Kluber; the problem was getting only Kluber…

[notin]

Bloom offered Eovaldi a contract, but took it off the table when Eovaldi looked elsewhere. 2.8 fWAR

 

Bloom then offered Eflin a contract, but lost out to the Rays who simply matched the contract. 4.1 fWAR

 

Bloom decided to go with the backup plan of Corey Kluber. -0.8 fWAR

 

Big yikes.

 

Also the Sox walked away from Wacha (as did several teams, per MLBTR) when he initially asked for $30mill over 2 years…

[moonslav59]

The one you can’t blame him for is Eflin. The guy wanted to go to Tampa. Reportedly he never gave Bloom a chance to counter…

 

Maybe, if Bloom had come in with an initial offer with one more year and $10M more....

[moonslav59]

Bloom offered Eovaldi a contract, but took it off the table when Eovaldi looked elsewhere. 2.8 fWAR

 

Bloom then offered Eflin a contract, but lost out to the Rays who simply matched the contract. 4.1 fWAR

 

Bloom decided to go with the backup plan of Corey Kluber. -0.8 fWAR

 

Big yikes.

 

It seems to be a reoccuring theme.

 

On the flip side, he had Springs and traded him away. He signed Perez twice, then failed to re-sign him, and he pitched much better, afterwards, although he has dropped off, this year.

 

Wacha and Nate pitchefd betetr this year. (Rich Hill, Richards and others have not.)

[Bellhorn04]

It seems to be a reoccuring theme.

 

On the flip side, he had Springs and traded him away. He signed Perez twice, then failed to re-sign him, and he pitched much better, afterwards, although he has dropped off, this year.

 

Wacha and Nate pitchefd betetr this year. (Rich Hill, Richards and others have not.)

 

The recurring theme is dumpster diving.

 

Perez's 2022 season is a clear outlier in his career, not that it matters.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

What gives this old dinosaur agita is why do the Boston. Red. Sox. have to constantly keep running loads of pitchers through recycles of rosters, each and every year -- all year -- of the Bloom Errrrrr.

 

When you find pitchers who prove they can be successful and happy in Boston, sign them and keep them. Has any pitcher who spent at least a season here the past four years left and then broke the bank of another franchise?

 

And don't pretend ERod, Eovaldi, Wacha, or even Strahm aren't worth fair market value for legitimate big league pitchers...

[moonslav59]

The recurring theme is dumpster diving.

 

Perez's 2022 season is a clear outlier in his career, not that it matters.

 

That's kinda my point: Bloom never catches the good outlier.

 

Maybe 2023 is Eflin's outlier.

 

Springs is no outlier.

 

Nate was on his way to an outlier, after 4.3 years with BOS.

 

It seems that Bloom is often on to the right idea, but he comes up short on the offer or the timing of the signings.

 

Maybe every GM can say the same.

[moonslav59]

What gives this old dinosaur agita is why do the Boston. Red. Sox. have to constantly keep running loads of pitchers through recycles of rosters, each and every year -- all year -- of the Bloom Errrrrr.

 

When you find pitchers who prove they can be successful and happy in Boston, sign them and keep them. Has any pitcher who spent at least a season here the past four years left and then broke the bank of another franchise?

 

And don't pretend ERod, Eovaldi, Wacha, or even Strahm aren't worth fair market value for legitimate big league pitchers...

 

We did offer Nate a QO and then an offer larger than he signed with TEX. (BTW, he's hurt.)

 

I'm not sure signing ERod to what he got would have been a winning strategy.

 

Strahm wanted to be a SP'er. We already had enough long relief guys trying to be turned into SP'ers.

 

You left out Rich Hill.

 

I was all for bringing Wacha back and would have offered more than what he ended up getting.

 

Missing out on Nate or Eflin killed us more than selecting Kluber did. The combination of both was a catastrophe.

 

No doubt, our rotation was our major killer, this year.

[Bellhorn04]

That's kinda my point: Bloom never catches the good outlier.

 

Maybe 2023 is Eflin's outlier.

 

Springs is no outlier.

 

Nate was on his way to an outlier, after 4.3 years with BOS.

 

It seems that Bloom is often on to the right idea, but he comes up short on the offer or the timing of the signings.

 

Maybe every GM can say the same.

 

2022 Wacha worked out fine. But in general, the results are what you should expect when you dumpster dive year after year.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2022 Wacha worked out fine. But in general, the results are what you should expect when you dumpster dive year after year.

 

Perfect post that shows the worst flaw of the entire Bloom Era: add a player who "worked out fine"... then let him leave, and back to the "dumpster dive."

 

It's like the guy has an eating disorder, and can't help himself... turning down nutritious meals, so he can jump back into the alley, scrounging for half-finished dinners behind the restaurant.

[mvp 78]

That's kinda my point: Bloom never catches the good outlier.

 

Maybe 2023 is Eflin's outlier.

 

Springs is no outlier.

 

Nate was on his way to an outlier, after 4.3 years with BOS.

 

It seems that Bloom is often on to the right idea, but he comes up short on the offer or the timing of the signings.

 

Maybe every GM can say the same.

 

C'mon, Nate's best year was 2021 when he had 5.7 fWAR. You can't say this year was THE outlier.

[mvp 78]

We did offer Nate a QO and then an offer larger than he signed with TEX. (BTW, he's hurt.)

 

I'm not sure signing ERod to what he got would have been a winning strategy.

 

Strahm wanted to be a SP'er. We already had enough long relief guys trying to be turned into SP'ers.

 

You left out Rich Hill.

 

I was all for bringing Wacha back and would have offered more than what he ended up getting.

 

Missing out on Nate or Eflin killed us more than selecting Kluber did. The combination of both was a catastrophe.

 

No doubt, our rotation was our major killer, this year.

 

Rich Hill 2023: 0.6 fWAR

[notin]

Maybe, if Bloom had come in with an initial offer with one more year and $10M more....

 

Or maybe that just puts him in Tampa longer.

 

The bottom line is Eflin clearly wanted to play in Tampa. Boston was clearly not his one first choice. Why are people trying to force it to be?

Edited September 6, 2023 by notin

[mvp 78]

Or maybe that just puts him in stamps longer.

 

The bottom line is Eflin clearly wanted to play in Tampa. Boston was clearly not his one first choice. Why are people trying to force it to be?

 

It would have been his first choice with more $$$. That's the point.

[notin]

It would have been his first choice with more $$$. That's the point.

 

Not if Tampa matched…

[moonslav59]

2022 Wacha worked out fine. But in general, the results are what you should expect when you dumpster dive year after year.

 

That has been my point for 4 years. You get what you pay for.

 

The limited budget forced Bloom's hand in 2020 and to some extent in 2021.

 

He could have focused more of the increased spending in 2022 and 2023 on pitching, but I think the plan has been to build up the foundation until we think we are withing striking distance, and then ponce on pitching, which costs a lot and a lot of years to get the best. (This is just my opinion on why. I'm not saying I support the idea, but it does make some sense, if the plan was always about 2024 and beyond?)

[moonslav59]

C'mon, Nate's best year was 2021 when he had 5.7 fWAR. You can't say this year was THE outlier.

 

I didn't say it was. Please re-read.

 

His 2.95 ERA and 67 ERA- were set to be outliers.

 

His fWAR, no.

 

His bWAR was on track for about 5.1 or 5.2 and it was 4.3 in '21.

 

It's easy to find some stats to refute every comment made, here, but Nate was, IMO, on pace for his best year ever. Maybe "outlier" was hyperbolic.

 

I know your stats of choice show otherwise, but other reputable stats show otherwise.

Edited September 6, 2023 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

I didn't say it was. Please re-read.

 

Ok, how was it "an" outlier if he performed even better two seasons prior?

[moonslav59]

Or maybe that just puts him in Tampa longer.

 

The bottom line is Eflin clearly wanted to play in Tampa. Boston was clearly not his one first choice. Why are people trying to force it to be?

 

Where am I trying to force anything?

 

I started my point with "maybe," and we all know most players would take a contract $10M more than another, unless if talking about $360M/12 vs $350M/12.

 

Maybe it does cause TBR to counter with enough to land him there longer, but it's not absurd to think we might have signed him had we started with an offer of $50M/3 or $55M/4