Fire Bloom .

[Randy Red Sox]

Keith Law would love it if we loaded up on teenage arms every year. However, it would make this system much more volatile. I think Bloom's plan is building a strong system and then use his assets to deal for arms when the team is ready. Right now, the prospects are too far away to provide much value in deals. Teams want AA and above.

 

Are you saying that after 4 years of the Bloom regime we don't have any prospects he brought in that are now AA or above?

[Randy Red Sox]

It is likely that Bloom bids on the pitchers left over after the Mets and Dodgers choose who they want most.

 

And the Yankees too. Don't forget them. After the year they have had you know they are going to be active this offseason.

[moonslav59]

And the Yankees too. Don't forget them. After the year they have had you know they are going to be active this offseason.

 

Mostly on bats, though.

[moonslav59]

Are you saying that after 4 years of the Bloom regime we don't have any prospects he brought in that are now AA or above?

 

Some are already in the bigs:

Whitlock

Wong

Winckowski

Abreu

Kelly

EValdez

DHam

 

That's more than should be expected after less than 4 years and a lost season of development in 2020.

 

Yes, some of the HS picks are not above AA, but they have some doozies, by almost all accounts from A- to AA.

 

Our #1 is at AA (Mayer) and should be AAA in 2024.

#2 Anthony is at AA, now.

#3 Bleis got hurt and is at A-

#5 Teel is in AA after just being drafted.

#9 Zanetello is in A- (just drafted)

#10 Romero A-

#11 Drohan AAA

 

3 of his top 4 prospects are at AA and 4 of 7 are at AA and AAA.

 

Others:

16. Meidroth AA

18. Hickey AA

19. Jordan AA

 

There is sooooo much to be critical of Bloom over. I just don't get why people feel the need to Swift Boat him.

[notin]

Are you saying that after 4 years of the Bloom regime we don't have any prospects he brought in that are now AA or above?

 

 

Abreu is in MLB. Ditto Valdez.

 

Drohan, Gambrell, German, Van Belle, Hamilton and Kavadas are in AAA.

 

AA has plenty of them, including Denlinger, Dobbins, Yorke, Guerrero, Binelas, Rosier, Meidroth, Jordan and a few others…

[moonslav59]

Abreu is in MLB. Ditto Valdez.

 

Drohan, Gambrell, German, Van Belle, Hamilton and Kavadas are in AAA.

 

AA has plenty of them, including Denlinger, Dobbins, Yorke, Guerrero, Binelas, Rosier, Meidroth, Jordan and a few others…

 

They just called Teel and Anthony up to AA to join Mayer and the ones you mentioned- also Hickey.

[Randy Red Sox]

Mostly on bats, though.

 

I am pretty sure they will after 1 big SP too--likely Yamamoto

[Randy Red Sox]

Abreu is in MLB. Ditto Valdez.

 

Drohan, Gambrell, German, Van Belle, Hamilton and Kavadas are in AAA.

 

AA has plenty of them, including Denlinger, Dobbins, Yorke, Guerrero, Binelas, Rosier, Meidroth, Jordan and a few others…

 

was just responding to the impression the other poster gave

[moonslav59]

I am pretty sure they will after 1 big SP too--likely Yamamoto

 

Maybe a second tier one, and even if the go for a top tier, there are about 5 top tiers and LAD, SFG, PHI and maybe NYY or ____.

 

THere should be one left over without a major team bidding against us, unless one of these teams sign 2.

 

The Mets appear to be retooling. Maybe the Padres spend again.

[Hugh2]

Maybe a second tier one, and even if the go for a top tier, there are about 5 top tiers and LAD, SFG, PHI and maybe NYY or ____.

 

THere should be one left over without a major team bidding against us, unless one of these teams sign 2.

 

The Mets appear to be retooling. Maybe the Padres spend again.

 

This is what I think too, they realistically need two starting pitchers. One should be a top-tier guy, and then one second-tier. Maybe someone with ACE potential but not first tier anymore. Someone who fits the Kluber mold but perhaps a few years younger and not actually washed up.

[Bellhorn04]

Did you know the Sox are 56-3 when leading after 6 innings? f*** Nola!! Sign Hader and Dylan Floro!

 

And if we had better starters we'd have more leads after 6.

[moonslav59]

This is what I think too, they realistically need two starting pitchers. One should be a top-tier guy, and then one second-tier. Maybe someone with ACE potential but not first tier anymore. Someone who fits the Kluber mold but perhaps a few years younger and not actually washed up.

 

If we miss out on signing two from the two top tiers and only sign one, we should bite the bullet and trade for one.

[moonslav59]

And if we had better starters we'd have more leads after 6.

 

...and better D.

 

...and better O.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

And if we had better starters we'd have more leads after 6.

 

This is why some of us want to Swift BOOT Bloom (sorry, moon; typo).

 

His farm looks good right now, but so did my garden in the spring before three months of rain drowned my best apple tree and stunted most production on my hot pepper plants.

 

Old fans who can sense Satchel Paige catching up with us don't hate Bloom the person, just the whole concept of the Bloom Era.

 

I'll bet Alex Cora and his coaching staff does, too. Imagine them sitting at a hotel bar on the road just before the season -- or just after the deadline -- lamenting what their boss has deemed acceptable to give them for a big league rotation... now go make the playoffs!

[mvp 78]

Bloom is going nowhere. I'll bet dollars to yen he's done exactly what Henry wanted him to at the org level, even if his MLB results have left something to be desired. I think the real test begins this offseason. Note: This isn't about what I personally think of our Lord and Savior Chaim Bloom, but rather what I think has actually been his performance in the eyes of good ol' Reptile JH.

 

That's what people said LAST offseason. Does he actually get held accountable next year? His contract is up. He'll be a lame duck. Will they give him a one year extension?

[mvp 78]

Are you saying that after 4 years of the Bloom regime we don't have any prospects he brought in that are now AA or above?

 

No.

[moonslav59]

This is why some of us want to Swift BOOT Bloom (sorry, moon; typo).

 

His farm looks good right now, but so did my garden in the spring before three months of rain drowned my best apple tree and stunted most production on my hot pepper plants.

 

Old fans who can sense Satchel Paige catching up with us don't hate Bloom the person, just the whole concept of the Bloom Era.

 

I'll bet Alex Cora and his coaching staff does, too. Imagine them sitting at a hotel bar on the road just before the season -- or just after the deadline -- lamenting what their boss has deemed acceptable to give them for a big league rotation... now go make the playoffs!

 

No need to apologize.

 

BTW, I am not a Bloom fan. I'm kinda ho-hum about him.

 

Many of the worst things attributed to him, IMO, were not his doing or might have only been partially his doing.

 

So far, he's been pretty bad on any contract over $10M, and it looks like this coming winter should see 2-3 of those deals made. That worries me.

 

IMO, he has done what he has been told to do. The priorities were ordered for him and actually were set during DD's last few months in charge.

 

He has built up the farm and not traded away DD's farm, most notably Bello, Casas, Duran, Crawford, Rafaela, Perales and Wikelman.

 

The foundation of core and role players has greatly improved since the 2019-2021 purge.

 

The budget is nearly free of all deadwood, as Sale's deal expires after 2024. (One can argue the Story, Yoshida and Devers deals don't look all the great out of the gate, but they do not look like near total busts like Sale and Price did.

 

Bloom's lack of attention to the rotation was awful, and I'm not making an excuse, here. I think it sucked, bigtime, but if the master plan was all about 2024 and beyond, waiting to splurge on pitching, until exactly the moment you think the window is open, makes a lot of sense.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

Bloom's lack of attention to the rotation was awful, and I'm not making an excuse, here. I think it sucked, bigtime, but if the master plan was all about 2024 and beyond, waiting to splurge on pitching, until exactly the moment you think the window is open, makes a lot of sense.

 

Again: to fans, and I dunno -- manager, coaches and players -- it also would have made sense to trade a few prospects they might never know for a pitcher at the deadline who just. might. have helped. pry open. the window... this year.

 

And I'm not a poster convinced the playoffs is always a crapshoot, but I'm a fan who always likes to see my team play in the postseason.

[mvp 78]

Again: to fans, and I dunno -- manager, coaches and players -- it also would have made sense to trade a few prospects they might never know for a pitcher at the deadline who just. might. have helped. pry open. the window... this year.

 

And I'm not a poster convinced the playoffs is always a crapshoot, but I'm a fan who always likes to see my team play in the postseason.

 

One pitcher wouldn't have made enough of a difference this year.

[moonslav59]

Again: to fans, and I dunno -- manager, coaches and players -- it also would have made sense to trade a few prospects they might never know for a pitcher at the deadline who just. might. have helped. pry open. the window... this year.

 

And I'm not a poster convinced the playoffs is always a crapshoot, but I'm a fan who always likes to see my team play in the postseason.

 

I agree, and I was all for adding not one but 2 SP'ers at the deadline.

 

I'd have liked to have seen us trade for Civale who has 2 arb years left plus a rental like Montgomery.

[Dipre]

That's what people said LAST offseason. Does he actually get held accountable next year? His contract is up. He'll be a lame duck. Will they give him a one year extension?

 

I don't think so. He either puts up, or gets f***ed.

[moonslav59]

I don't think so. He either puts up, or gets f***ed.

 

If the "plan" is to go for it in 2025, maybe not.

[Hugh2]

If the "plan" is to go for it in 2025, maybe not.

 

If they’re not any better in 2024, I don’t see Bloom being the guy to stick with to “go for it”

[moonslav59]

If they’re not any better in 2024, I don’t see Bloom being the guy to stick with to “go for it”

 

They may also do as they did with Ben. When they decide to spend big, hire a new GM who is good at spending big.

[mvp 78]

I don't think so. He either puts up, or gets f***ed.

 

So playoffs or bust? What's "the goal" for him to keep his job?

[mvp 78]

If they’re not any better in 2024, I don’t see Bloom being the guy to stick with to “go for it”

 

I think we are in the Chaim Bloom as Jimmy Carter Crisis of Confidence/Malaise Speech phase.

[mvp 78]

They may also do as they did with Ben. When they decide to spend big, hire a new GM who is good at spending big.

 

DD was hired as the President of Baseball Operations, not GM. Ben could have stayed on. Mike Hazen functioned as the GM under DD.

[moonslav59]

So playoffs or bust? What's "the goal" for him to keep his job?

 

The goal is what top brass says it is, and we don't really know, because they lie to us.

[mvp 78]

The goal is what top brass says it is, and we don't really know, because they lie to us.

 

What's your guess, nerd?

[moonslav59]

What's your guess, nerd?

 

It depends on how much they give him to spend this winter.

 

If it's under $20, No.

 

$20-30M? Maybe

 

$40-50M? Probably

 

Over $50M, Certainly