Fire Bloom .

[Dipre]

If it was about overall statistics, Roman Anthony wouldn't have made it out of Salem you nob.

 

He also can't spell, which gives me a headache.

[notin]

Counting stats vs advanced stats vs performance metrics vs eye test

 

… with a pinch of salt..

[Randy Red Sox]

You didnt like Castillo or Lopez?

 

Who's favorite GM?

 

I want young Pitchers who fit our the age range of the team Bloom is trying to build. Yamamoto fits. Castillo's best yrs are behind him.

[mvp 78]

… with a pinch of salt..

 

Eye of newt!

[Maxbialystock]

Actually most scouts don’t use stats for a variety of reasons…

 

I'm sure you're right.

 

And that's what worries me because I honestly think the Sox don't have any really knowledgeable scouts or coaches--with respect to pitching.

 

And I'm basing that no doubt insane conclusion on just one pitcher--Brasier. He stunk for so badly for the Sox this season he was DFA'd. The Dodgers, who I suspect do have knowledgeable scouts and coaches, snapped him up and he has had two terrific months for them.

[moonslav59]

I want young Pitchers who fit our the age range of the team Bloom is trying to build. Yamamoto fits. Castillo's best yrs are behind him.

 

Castillo was 29 when traded for and is 30 in his first year of the extension. I'd like younger, too, but he's not old.

 

Pablo Lopez was traded at 26 and is still just 27.

 

All I'm saying is there are deal out there that happen without giving up the world.

 

I get you reluctance on trading mayer. I'm reluctant, too, but we need pitching, and if we wont pay for it with money, this is the only quick fiz solution.

[notin]

I want young Pitchers who fit our the age range of the team Bloom is trying to build. Yamamoto fits. Castillo's best yrs are behind him.

 

The Sox have those - Bello, Crawford, Houck, Whitlock.

 

They need some bulk guys atop the rotation. At least one, maybe two…

[cp176]

The Sox have those - Bello, Crawford, Houck, Whitlock.

 

They need some bulk guys atop the rotation. At least one, maybe two…

 

How important do you think that actual performance quality should be considered?

[notin]

How important do you think that actual performance quality should be considered?

 

I’m fine with all those pitchers I mentioned. I’m not expecting Cy Young candidates from them.

 

Bello and Crawford are very likely just gassed. Bello is at his career high in IP already, and Crawford is at his most since A ball. And A ball IP aren’t the same as MLB IP. (Although A-ball Crawford probably also has very little in common with MLB Crawford.

 

Houck has sown himself to be an effective 5-6 IP starter. That’s actually fine in todays game of 8 man bullpens. And Whitlock just needs to be left in the bullpen, where he has been very effective…

[moonslav59]

How important do you think that actual performance quality should be considered?

 

Exactly.

 

For God's sake, Crawford is our "ace" right now. Doesn't that tell us something important?

 

I think we can get by with Houck as a 4th or 5th starter than can never go beyond 5 IP.

 

Whitlock needs to be sent to the pen and told he will never start another game with the Sox.

 

Pivetta can be a decent #5, but we need to be thinking of who will be our #1 and our #2.

 

SP1 ____

SP2 ____

SP3 Bello

SP4 Houck

SP5 Pivetta/Crawford (The other is a long man or SP depth)

 

(Sale is just possible depth- nothing more.)

[Old Red]

The Sox have those - Bello, Crawford, Houck, Whitlock.

 

They need some bulk guys atop the rotation. At least one, maybe two…

 

Kut Man, Houck, Whit, and Pivetta are all better in the pen. I think the Red Sox keep trying Whit, and Houck in the rotation is, because they are cheap options.

[mvp 78]

Kut Man, Houck, Whit, and Pivetta are all better in the pen. I think the Red Sox keep trying Whit, and Houck in the rotation is, because they are cheap options.

 

For health reasons, Whitlock has to stay in the bullpen going forward. I was willing to give it a shot, but he can't stay healthy as a starter.

[moonslav59]

Kut Man, Houck, Whit, and Pivetta are all better in the pen. I think the Red Sox keep trying Whit, and Houck in the rotation is, because they are cheap options.

 

Yes. All 4 are cheaper options.

 

Ideally, we'd add 4 solid SP'er and have the best pen in MLB:

 

Jansen, Martin, Schreiber, Winckowski

Houck, Whitlock, Crawford, Pivetta

 

Depth:

Bernardino, Kelly, Joely, Mills, Robertson

Murphy, Walter, Mata, Gambrell, Hagenman

 

 

 

[dgalehouse]

Regrettably, it looks like Bloom will be back for another year. Hopefully , he learns from his mistakes and is able to grow into the job.

[cp176]

Exactly.

 

For God's sake, Crawford is our "ace" right now. Doesn't that tell us something important?

 

I think we can get by with Houck as a 4th or 5th starter than can never go beyond 5 IP.

 

Whitlock needs to be sent to the pen and told he will never start another game with the Sox.

 

Pivetta can be a decent #5, but we need to be thinking of who will be our #1 and our #2.

 

SP1 ____

SP2 ____

SP3 Bello

SP4 Houck

SP5 Pivetta/Crawford (The other is a long man or SP depth)

 

(Sale is just possible depth- nothing more.)

 

I agree with you . I think that Bello might have the stuff to get #2 as does Houck but after that it is up for grabs. Crawford will eat innings at the back of the line and likely throw a good one from time to time. We need help up front. I'm not sure they will make the moves necessary. I'm finally willing to say that Chris Sale just won't be coming in that proverbial door again anytime soon. I am very happy that I had the chance to see him at his best.

[moonslav59]

I agree with you . I think that Bello might have the stuff to get #2 as does Houck but after that it is up for grabs. Crawford will eat innings at the back of the line and likely throw a good one from time to time. We need help up front. I'm not sure they will make the moves necessary. I'm finally willing to say that Chris Sale just won't be coming in that proverbial door again anytime soon. I am very happy that I had the chance to see him at his best.

 

I think having Houck, Pivetta and Crawford scheduled as your 3-4-5, is asking for trouble and a repeat of 2023.

 

If it ends up being them due to injury, okay, but we cannot sign just one SP'er, have Bello as the #2 and go with what we got to fill in the rest.

 

If we do, I'll be looking at 2025 on day one of 2024.

[cp176]

So all I have heard for some time now is how strong our farm system has become and how much brighter our "sustainable" future has become. Common sense tells me that if players like Rafaela and Abreau could become future stars, they should be in the everyday lineup right now. I don't mean in ph roles or late inning replacement roles. I don't understand what is going on at all. Personally I can say that I don't see anything coming from this management team that gives me much hope for now or the future. Does anybody out there really have confidence that Bloom or whoever will be willing to make moves that will obviously strengthen us? If you start from nothing (which I understand we are not), wouldn't you think that pitching and defense would be the primary jobs you need to fill? If in Bloom's mind that is how he is thinking, we are in for a long long struggle. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we endured another very quiet off season listening to how close our young players are and how good they will be.

[Bellhorn04]

I have no faith in Bloom whatsoever any more as far as his ability to construct a major league team.

 

I still have hope, but that's a much different thing. It's a fan's job to have hope. With no hope you'd just stop watching and stop caring.

 

The 2023 team had some good moments but it's obvious now it's going to end very badly. The pitching staff is in tatters, thanks to Bloom's lack of effort to improve it. Hard to see how we're going to win many games this month.

 

Totally embarrassing, and most of the blame has to go to Bloom, with the rest of it going to Henry.

[cp176]

I have no faith in Bloom whatsoever any more as far as his ability to construct a major league team.

 

I still have hope, but that's a much different thing. It's a fan's job to have hope. With no hope you'd just stop watching and stop caring.

 

The 2023 team had some good moments but it's obvious now it's going to end very badly. The pitching staff is in tatters, thanks to Bloom's lack of effort to improve it. Hard to see how we're going to win many games this month.

 

Totally embarrassing, and most of the blame has to go to Bloom, with the rest of it going to Henry.

 

Did you ever think that we would be in a situation like this one? The obvious comeback is that we are a .500 team - many of us felt that that was what we were going to be. Maybe it isn't so bad - .500 with little to no pitching or defense means you must be doing something right I guess. We are at that who would you keep time of year again. I would tend to want to keep anyone who can field at the ml level and anyone who can pitch at the same. It's nice to have a few hitters but this team looks in need of a rebuild to me. Unlike some here, I guess I don't see all those young can't miss prospects. I would be in favor of making major rebuild trades.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I have no faith in Bloom whatsoever any more as far as his ability to construct a major league team.

 

I still have hope, but that's a much different thing. It's a fan's job to have hope. With no hope you'd just stop watching and stop caring.

 

The 2023 team had some good moments but it's obvious now it's going to end very badly. The pitching staff is in tatters, thanks to Bloom's lack of effort to improve it. Hard to see how we're going to win many games this month.

 

Totally embarrassing, and most of the blame has to go to Bloom, with the rest of it going to Henry.

 

For most of the Bloom Error, fans have read, heard or typed that if the Red Sox organization doesn't care about them, why should fans care about the Red Sox?

 

Now imagine pro ballplayers, abandoned by their front office at every trade deadline. Does anyone here really think the Sox' losing records in every single August the past four years are a coincidence?

 

Professionals are people first, and if you mistreat them or disrespect them, it will affect their work days and production -- no matter how much you pay them. Morale is everything in a company.

 

A school superintendent recently shared this story. The day before school begins each year for students, districts hold convocations -- a required assembly of every certified teacher, tutor and principal in town, where they all report to one location. Parking is always a nightmare, but this year a teacher suggested using a school bus to transport everyone from each of their respective schools. The super liked the idea, made appropriate phone calls... but was shocked to be greeted at the auditorium with a standing ovation. Sometimes it doesn't take much...

[Bellhorn04]

For most of the Bloom Error, fans have read, heard or typed that if the Red Sox organization doesn't care about them, why should fans care about the Red Sox?

 

Now imagine pro ballplayers, abandoned by their front office at every trade deadline. Does anyone here really think the Sox' losing records in every single August the past four years are a coincidence?

 

Professionals are people first, and if you mistreat them or disrespect them, it will affect their work days and production -- no matter how much you pay them. Morale is everything in a company.

 

A school superintendent recently shared this story. The day before school begins each year for students, districts hold convocations -- a required assembly of every certified teacher, tutor and principal in town, where they all report to one location. Parking is always a nightmare, but this year a teacher suggested using a school bus to transport everyone from each of their respective schools. The super liked the idea, made appropriate phone calls... but was shocked to be greeted at the auditorium with a standing ovation. Sometimes it doesn't take much...

 

The players haven't said anything, but Cora has taken a few subtle swipes at the work of the front office this year, for which he may well be rewarded with a pink slip. They might look for some hyper-analytical automaton type manager instead.

[Bellhorn04]

Let's face it, the Sox front office has been insulting the crap out of us. Added nothing but Kluber, so nothing, to our razor-thin pitching rotation. Slid down to middle of the pack in payroll and left a wad of unspent money under the tax threshold, while raising ticket prices. Did jacksquat at the deadline again. Pretty incredible, really.

[Old Red]

The players haven't said anything, but Cora has taken a few subtle swipes at the work of the front office this year, for which he may well be rewarded with a pink slip. They might look for some hyper-analytical automaton type manager instead.

 

What do you think would happen first? Cora walks, or is giving his walking papers?

[Old Red]

I have no faith in Bloom whatsoever any more as far as his ability to construct a major league team.

 

I still have hope, but that's a much different thing. It's a fan's job to have hope. With no hope you'd just stop watching and stop caring.

 

The 2023 team had some good moments but it's obvious now it's going to end very badly. The pitching staff is in tatters, thanks to Bloom's lack of effort to improve it. Hard to see how we're going to win many games this month.

 

Totally embarrassing, and most of the blame has to go to Bloom, with the rest of it going to Henry.

In one word. BOHICA!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The players haven't said anything, but Cora has taken a few subtle swipes at the work of the front office this year, for which he may well be rewarded with a pink slip. They might look for some hyper-analytical automaton type manager instead.

 

Imagine a guy full of crap like Chaim or Sam in the dugout? He'd have to be on quaaludes to answer the same media questions every single night about why ballplayers on his roster suck so bad at pitching, fielding, throwing, running the bases or even moving the runners...

[Bellhorn04]

What do you think would happen first? Cora walks, or is giving his walking papers?

 

I don't think Cora will walk. I'm sure he's making a good salary and probably still likes his job for the most part.

 

I'm hopeful they won't can him, but everything is on the table with this fustercluck of an organization now.

[Old Red]

I don't think Cora will walk. I'm sure he's making a good salary and probably still likes his job for the most part.

 

I'm hopeful they won't can him, but everything is on the table with this fustercluck of an organization now.

You have to think Cora is more than flustered, or pissed. I’m sure Cora could get another job.

[Bellhorn04]

Cora's biggest job over the next month is to protect the long-term health of his pitchers. He's being asked to be a medical professional.

[moonslav59]

Not many managers want to get another job with another team, and although many here think Cora sucks, he’d have several teams wanting him, if he was fired.

 

I hope we keep him, but this team is really reeling and lost.

[Bellhorn04]

Not many managers want to get another job with another team, and although many here think Cora sucks, he’d have several teams wanting him, if he was fired.

 

I hope we keep him, but this team is really reeling and lost.

 

I think the reeling is coming from above Cora's head. He's being made to look ridiculous by things like the Bear Claw game. Not really his fault our pitching has collapsed.