Fire Bloom .

[notin]

He never tried Arroyo at SS, either.

 

I'd prefer we trade Kike not Duvall, and that way Cora's choice will no longer be one.

 

I don't care if we get nothing or have to pay his full boat.

 

The Sox should try to move Kike, Duvall and Paxton. And also acquire 2 SPs in separate deals.

 

(Should Bloom try to make a blockbuster involving Alex Verdugo, then Duvall should be kept.)

[moonslav59]

The Sox should try to move Kike, Duvall and Paxton. And also acquire 2 SPs in separate deals.

 

(Should Bloom try to make a blockbuster involving Alex Verdugo, then Duvall should be kept.)

 

Like longer controlled pitcher acquisitions?

 

Why rob Peter (Paxton) to pay Paul (newly acquired rental?)

[notin]

Like longer controlled pitcher acquisitions?

 

Why rob Peter (Paxton) to pay Paul (newly acquired rental?)

 

1. Paxton makes Eovaldi look like Cal Ripken. It’s not even unlikely that Paxton goes down for the count right after the trading deadline. Just going into Buy Mode without considering this could be disastrous and very reminiscent of 2022.

 

2. Newly acquired SPs should be under control for 2024 at a minimum

[Hugh2]

1. Paxton makes Eovaldi look like Cal Ripken. It’s not even unlikely that Paxton goes down for the count right after the trading deadline. Just going into Buy Mode without considering this could be disastrous and very reminiscent of 2022.

 

2. Newly acquired SPs should be under control for 2024 at a minimum

 

Why? What’s wrong with a rental?

[notin]

Why? What’s wrong with a rental?

 

The Sox rotation for next year is just as questionable. Sale and Bello and maybe Crawford. Followed by? Houck? Pivetta? Whitlock? I could see aging at least one controllable arm now.

 

I do think the most likely resolution is a rental SPand a rental reliever. And keeping Paxton…

[Hugh2]

The Sox rotation for next year is just as questionable. Sale and Bello and maybe Crawford. Followed by? Houck? Pivetta? Whitlock? I could see aging at least one controllable arm now.

 

I do think the most likely resolution is a rental SPand a rental reliever. And keeping Paxton…

 

Ok but the price will be steeper, I’m fine with a rental, and then going out to buy in what will be a very robust starters market in 2024

[notin]

Ok but the price will be steeper, I’m fine with a rental, and then going out to buy in what will be a very robust starters market in 2024

 

The SP market is overkill. The way the game is played today, a guy capable of 5-6 IP without blowing up, and let the bullpen take over.

 

Someone like Snell will be expensive enough; I don’t think I want to see the Sox sign another Price contract that just derails the team for years…

[moonslav59]

1. Paxton makes Eovaldi look like Cal Ripken. It’s not even unlikely that Paxton goes down for the count right after the trading deadline. Just going into Buy Mode without considering this could be disastrous and very reminiscent of 2022.

 

2. Newly acquired SPs should be under control for 2024 at a minimum

 

Like who?

 

Who do we trade?

 

To get good pitchers that are not rentals, it will cost us more than Paulino & Jordan.

[Hugh2]

The SP market is overkill. The way the game is played today, a guy capable of 5-6 IP without blowing up, and let the bullpen take over.

 

Someone like Snell will be expensive enough; I don’t think I want to see the Sox sign another Price contract that just derails the team for years…

 

Trading away prospects that hit can derail the team for years too. You gotta spend the money somewhere and if you have a juggernaut of position players in the minors can sign a pitcher to a long term deal.

 

More than one way to skin a cat; I prefer the Fa route. Get a proven ace who can help mentor the youth and serve as a 1-2 punch out with Bello

[Randy Red Sox]

I thought the whole point with drafting Yorke 100 spots ahead of his ranking was so we could get Jordan and now we re willing to trade him??

Like who?

 

Who do we trade?

 

To get good pitchers that are not rentals, it will cost us more than Paulino & Jordan.

[moonslav59]

I thought the whole point with drafting Yorke 100 spots ahead of his ranking was so we could get Jordan and now we re willing to trade him??

 

Someone else said that, but they obviously liked Yorke, a lot.

 

He was a good pick. It was a good draft. I still do not know why you choose this specific draft to complain about. There is so many more worthy things to complain about, IMO.

[Randy Red Sox]

and what FA SP would that be??

Trading away prospects that hit can derail the team for years too. You gotta spend the money somewhere and if you have a juggernaut of position players in the minors can sign a pitcher to a long term deal.

 

More than one way to skin a cat; I prefer the Fa route. Get a proven ace who can help mentor the youth and serve as a 1-2 punch out with Bello

[moonslav59]

Trading away prospects that hit can derail the team for years too. You gotta spend the money somewhere and if you have a juggernaut of position players in the minors can sign a pitcher to a long term deal.

 

More than one way to skin a cat; I prefer the Fa route. Get a proven ace who can help mentor the youth and serve as a 1-2 punch out with Bello

 

I agree. Try to find and develop a few pitchers on your own, but waiting to add proven pitchers improves the odds.

 

Draft and develop everyday players and use some to trade for pitching, if free agency is not an option (resetting year?) or is not working (Richards, Kluber...).

 

[moonslav59]

and what FA SP would that be??

 

The FA hit rate is scary- agreed, but so is drafting one.

[Randy Red Sox]

I totally disagree and I don't even see a spot for Yorke even if he does pan out. Bloom had the Mookie trade and this 1st rd pick to get a young quality SP yet somehow he let 3 get away that they already had. The Red Sox have ALWAYS been able to hit but almost never have enough pitching. I have been watching this for about 40 years now.omeone else said that, but they obviously liked Yorke, a lot.

 

He was a good pick. It was a good draft. I still do not know why you choose this specific draft to complain about. There is so many more worthy things to complain about, IMO.[/b]

[Duran Is The Man]

I agree. Try to find and develop a few pitchers on your own, but waiting to add proven pitchers improves the odds.

 

Draft and develop everyday players and use some to trade for pitching, if free agency is not an option (resetting year?) or is not working (Richards, Kluber...).

 

 

hasn't that always been the knock on DD, that he "traded away the farm" for pitching?

[moonslav59]

I totally disagree and I don't even see a spot for Yorke even if he does pan out. Bloom had the Mookie trade and this 1st rd pick to get a young quality SP yet somehow he let 3 get away that they already had. The Red Sox have ALWAYS been able to hit but almost never have enough pitching. I have been watching this for about 40 years now.omeone else said that, but they obviously liked Yorke, a lot.

 

He was a good pick. It was a good draft. I still do not know why you choose this specific draft to complain about. There is so many more worthy things to complain about, IMO.[/b]

 

I can't read your posts. You need to stop twisting where you post your reply.

 

The answer to getting more good pitching in the system should not mean drafting players with lower chances of succeeding, just because they are pitchers.

 

I'm not a huge Yorke fan, but I think that draft was between decent to good.

[moonslav59]

hasn't that always been the knock on DD, that he "traded away the farm" for pitching?

 

I think the big knock was the sheer number of prospects he traded away. I once counted about 20 prospects traded that were, at one time or another.

 

IMO, the hindsight view shows he did well keeping Devers, Bello, Casas, Duran and others, whether he got luck or otherwise, and many of the more highly rated prospects traded, mostly underperformed expectation.

 

The Sale trade was great: the extension was not.

The Kimbrell trade looked like a gross overpay to me, but the cost of top closers skyrocketed shortly after the trade, and the players we gave up did not do all that well.

The Pom trade looked s***** to me, but Espinoza never did squat.

The Thornburg and C Smith deals sucked, but what we gave up wasn't a killer.

 

If Bloom makes just one- not 4-5 trades- and brings us the next Sale, I'd be happy, even if we lost a couple top prospects.

 

(I'm not a DD basher.)

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

I don't even see a spot for Yorke even if he does pan out. [/b]

 

He won't be ML ready until late 2024 or 2025. By then, our whole roster may be different.

 

Mayer might be traded.

Story might still be getting hurt.

 

[Randy Red Sox]

if they trade Mayer i will drive to Boston and give Bloom a ride to the airport. don't disagree that story might still be hurt though. Terrible signing from day 1

 

He won't be ML ready until late 2024 or 2025. By then, our whole roster may be different.

 

Mayer might be traded.

Story might still be getting hurt.

 

[Duran Is The Man]

I think the big knock was the sheer number of prospects he traded away. I once counted about 20 prospects traded that were, at one time or another.

 

IMO, the hindsight view shows he did well keeping Devers, Bello, Casas, Duran and others, whether he got luck or otherwise, and many of the more highly rated prospects traded, mostly underperformed expectation.

 

The Sale trade was great: the extension was not.

The Kimbrell trade looked like a gross overpay to me, but the cost of top closers skyrocketed shortly after the trade, and the players we gave up did not do all that well.

The Pom trade looked s***** to me, but Espinoza never did squat.

The Thornburg and C Smith deals sucked, but what we gave up wasn't a killer.

 

If Bloom makes just one- not 4-5 trades- and brings us the next Sale, I'd be happy, even if we lost a couple top prospects.

 

(I'm not a DD basher.)

 

 

 

 

i only remember one DD trade that really pissed me off. at the time. and that was the Nate-Beeks trade. Beeks was an Arkansas guy and i thought he had a great upside. turns out DD knew more than i did. i also remember thinking the Sale extension was a really really bad deal for the Sox.

[Randy Red Sox]

 

I can't read your posts. You need to stop twisting where you post your reply.

 

The answer to getting more good pitching in theory. not sure why this happen but after i have typed a reply i get a message saying that my reply is only 3 words and i need to post a longer reply. no idea why this since my replies are ALWAYS longer than 3 words system should not mean drafting players with lower chances of succeeding, just because they are pitchers.

 

I'm not a huge Yorke fan, but I think that draft was between decent to good.

[moonslav59]

if they trade Mayer i will drive to Boston and give Bloom a ride to the airport. don't disagree that story might still be hurt though. Terrible signing from day 1

 

He won't be ML ready until late 2024 or 2025. By then, our whole roster may be different.

 

Mayer might be traded.

Story might still be getting hurt.

 

 

Sorry. I can't read your posts anymore. I will no longer read or respond to them. It's too confusing to know who wrote what.

 

Nothing against you or your opinions, but I'm half blind and just can't do it anymore.

[mvp 78]

hasn't that always been the knock on DD, that he "traded away the farm" for pitching?

 

The knock was that he added in too many prospects as throw ins that didn't need to be added. He would just throw in additional guys to sweeten the pot.

[moonslav59]

The knock was that he added in too many prospects as throw ins that didn't need to be added. He would just throw in additional guys to sweeten the pot.

 

That was a very common theme, but quite a few "knocked" DD for making too many prospect trades and not keeping it more balanced.

 

Most agree, the Pom trade might have been the worst, but Espinoza got injured and never came close to reaching expectation.

 

In hindsight, keeping Devers, Bello, Duran and Casas was better than keeping Moncada, Kopech, Margot and all the others. DD may not have even known some of the guys he kept, but he did well on picking who to trade.

[Dipre]

That was a very common theme, but quite a few "knocked" DD for making too many prospect trades and not keeping it more balanced.

 

Most agree, the Pom trade might have been the worst, but Espinoza got injured and never came close to reaching expectation.

 

In hindsight, keeping Devers, Bello, Duran and Casas was better than keeping Moncada, Kopech, Margot and all the others. DD may not have even known some of the guys he kept, but he did well on picking who to trade.

 

That's a skill. For all of the flack DD gets for trading the farm, he's been able to keep most of the prospects who develop into good players and trade away the duds.

[moonslav59]

That's a skill. For all of the flack DD gets for trading the farm, he's been able to keep most of the prospects who develop into good players and trade away the duds.

 

Devers was the only one on anyone's radar, up until DD departed. Some might have been luck, or just having the right guys in the system.

 

DD drafted and signed IFAs well, considering the low draft slots and bonus pool money.

[mvp 78]

That's a skill. For all of the flack DD gets for trading the farm, he's been able to keep most of the prospects who develop into good players and trade away the duds.

 

He doesn't know how to build a bullpen though.

[Dipre]

He doesn't know how to build a bullpen though.

 

Never have, never will.

[moonslav59]

Looks like Bloom caught on to the pen building thing, nicely, after 3 years of yuckiness.