Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

He would play catch sporadically. It wasn't part of a strict routine.

 

You’d think he’d have done that at minumum

[mvp 78]

You’d think he’d have done that at minumum

 

He did the minimum.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Luckily, when Song finally took his first solo flight -- after all those years of never flying (but dreaming) -- the Navy didn't limit him to just a take-off... and vow to stretch him out to a landing for his next outing.

[moonslav59]

Luckily, when Song finally took his first solo flight -- after all those years of never flying (but dreaming) -- the Navy didn't limit him to just a take-off... and vow to stretch him out to a landing for his next outing.

 

Eventually, they will shorten the landing strip

[mvp 78]

O's opinion about Rule 5 Pick Politi:

 

@OriolesStatist1

Politi's 1st 3 outings were strong and scoreless .. this one has been rough but with Krehbiel looking bad in every appearance and Tate set to miss April, I think he gets our last bullpen spot still.

He's a R5 player so will be sent back to Boston if not.

So I think the club will want a month of him in the bigs to really see what he has while Tate is out. Then they'll have a decision to make

[notin]

O's opinion about Rule 5 Pick Politi:

 

@OriolesStatist1

Politi's 1st 3 outings were strong and scoreless .. this one has been rough but with Krehbiel looking bad in every appearance and Tate set to miss April, I think he gets our last bullpen spot still.

He's a R5 player so will be sent back to Boston if not.

So I think the club will want a month of him in the bigs to really see what he has while Tate is out. Then they'll have a decision to make

 

So far this preseason

 

Politi - 3.2 IP 9.81 ERA

Ward - 3.2 IP 0.00 ERA

Song - 0 IP No ERA

[moonslav59]

So far this preseason

 

Politi - 3.2 IP 9.81 ERA

Ward - 3.2 IP 0.00 ERA

Song - 0 IP No ERA

 

Song's 0.00 ERA is pretty impressive.

[notin]

Song's 0.00 ERA is pretty impressive.

 

 

If you have no IP, your ERA is NOT 0.00. It’s undefined, because of that whole “division by zero” thingy…

[moonslav59]

 

If you have no IP, your ERA is NOT 0.00. It’s undefined, because of that whole “division by zero” thingy…

 

True, but the stud has yet to let up even a hit or walk, let alone a run.

[notin]

True, but the stud has yet to let up even a hit or walk, let alone a run.

 

Which begs the question “WTF did DD select him for?” I assumed it was for pitching…

[mvp 78]

Which begs the question “WTF did DD select him for?” I assumed it was for pitching…

 

He's tall. Looks good in the uniform.

[Bellhorn04]

Song was interviewed last night, but there was not a word about when he expects to appear in a game. It has to be pretty soon...

[mvp 78]

Song was interviewed last night, but there was not a word about when he expects to appear in a game. It has to be pretty soon...

 

He's probably not close to being ready after not throwing off a mound for several years. May take months before he's ready to be in game shape. Maybe they are holding him back in hopes that his stuff ticks up so that he can look good at the end of Spring Training and maybe try to deal him? Or it's just slow and steady with him. Time is on the Red Sox side, unfortunately for the Phillies.

 

The best thing for Song would be to get sent back to the Sox where he can go to A ball and be developed as a starter over the next few seasons. Being pushed into the pen at the MLB level this season after not pitching for 3+ years isn't ideal. I think he's mentally tough to handle it, but there's a better way to handle the development of a high ceiling pitcher like that.

[Bellhorn04]

Well, I hope we do get him back, that would be excellent.

[mvp 78]

Well, I hope we do get him back, that would be excellent.

 

And then Bloom doesn't put him on the 40 man next offseason.

[Old Red]

He's probably not close to being ready after not throwing off a mound for several years. May take months before he's ready to be in game shape. Maybe they are holding him back in hopes that his stuff ticks up so that he can look good at the end of Spring Training and maybe try to deal him? Or it's just slow and steady with him. Time is on the Red Sox side, unfortunately for the Phillies.

 

The best thing for Song would be to get sent back to the Sox where he can go to A ball and be developed as a starter over the next few seasons. Being pushed into the pen at the MLB level this season after not pitching for 3+ years isn't ideal. I think he's mentally tough to handle it, but there's a better way to handle the development of a high ceiling pitcher like that.

 

Song has already been on the best team when he was in the Navy, and we’ll find out soon where he ends up next, which is hopefully back in the Red Sox organization.

[notin]

He's probably not close to being ready after not throwing off a mound for several years. May take months before he's ready to be in game shape. Maybe they are holding him back in hopes that his stuff ticks up so that he can look good at the end of Spring Training and maybe try to deal him? Or it's just slow and steady with him. Time is on the Red Sox side, unfortunately for the Phillies.

 

The best thing for Song would be to get sent back to the Sox where he can go to A ball and be developed as a starter over the next few seasons. Being pushed into the pen at the MLB level this season after not pitching for 3+ years isn't ideal. I think he's mentally tough to handle it, but there's a better way to handle the development of a high ceiling pitcher like that.

 

Exactly.

 

The only real option that works for both Song and the Phillies would be the one I’ve been saying since he was drafted, which would be for the Phillies to simply complete a trade with Boston and acquire Song outright. They they could demote him to the minors. Right now his biggest issue is inactivity, and all Philly has done is compound that issue by not pitching him.

 

That DD still has not added him to the 40 man roster makes me think he plans to either return Song to Boston or (more likely) complete a trade for him, and then he could send Song to A ball without having to add him to the 40 man roster and burn an option year…

[moonslav59]

Exactly.

 

The only real option that works for both Song and the Phillies would be the one I’ve been saying since he was drafted, which would be for the Phillies to simply complete a trade with Boston and acquire Song outright. They they could demote him to the minors. Right now his biggest issue is inactivity, and all Philly has done is compound that issue by not pitching him.

 

That DD still has not added him to the 40 man roster makes me think he plans to either return Song to Boston or (more likely) complete a trade for him, and then he could send Song to A ball without having to add him to the 40 man roster and burn an option year…

 

Agreed, but DD will wait as long as possible to learn as much as possible about the true value of Song and what an appropriate return package would be.

 

Stay tuned.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Exactly.

 

The only real option that works for both Song and the Phillies would be the one I’ve been saying since he was drafted, which would be for the Phillies to simply complete a trade with Boston and acquire Song outright. They they could demote him to the minors. Right now his biggest issue is inactivity, and all Philly has done is compound that issue by not pitching him.

 

That DD still has not added him to the 40 man roster makes me think he plans to either return Song to Boston or (more likely) complete a trade for him, and then he could send Song to A ball without having to add him to the 40 man roster and burn an option year…

 

Then when the WS contending Phils don't protect him on the 40, an also-ran in a rebuild that can afford the audition can grab him in the next Rule V...

[Hugh2]

I believe DD has 14 days after opening day to add Song to the 40-man. I doubt he would return him before then.

[Hugh2]

Then when the WS contending Phils don't protect him on the 40, an also-ran in a rebuild that can afford the audition can grab him in the next Rule V...

 

If Song gets into games this year, after a full year of playing ball, I think it could be better assessed whether he's worthy of being protected or not. I suspect, because of his career trajectory, the only way Boston is able to hold onto a guy like Song would be to move him to the bullpen and try to fast-track him to the majors. Hoping, he regains a lot this year and is ready at some point next year. This of course, is contingent upon a LOT of things.

[mvp 78]

I believe DD has 14 days after opening day to add Song to the 40-man. I doubt he would return him before then.

 

It depends on how Song looks. If he's a lost cause, the next 2 weeks may not matter. DD doesn't care about the bottom of the 40 man roster.

 

He could care about sticking it to the Sox, but it's really just sticking it to Song.

[mvp 78]

If Song gets into games this year, after a full year of playing ball, I think it could be better assessed whether he's worthy of being protected or not. I suspect, because of his career trajectory, the only way Boston is able to hold onto a guy like Song would be to move him to the bullpen and try to fast-track him to the majors. Hoping, he regains a lot this year and is ready at some point next year. This of course, is contingent upon a LOT of things.

 

Bloom hasn't shown an interest in fast tracking anyone, even bullpen arms. I don't see that happening with Song if he's returned.

[notin]

Then when the WS contending Phils don't protect him on the 40, an also-ran in a rebuild that can afford the audition can grab him in the next Rule V...

 

If the Phillies don’t put him on the 40 - and on the 26 - they have to either return him, trade for him, or trade him to another team that puts him on the 26 man roster.

 

The only way he is available in the Rule 5 draft next year is if Philly completes a trade with Boston for him and then leaves him unprotected next year. That isn’t going to happen…

Edited March 10, 2023 by notin

[notin]

I believe DD has 14 days after opening day to add Song to the 40-man. I doubt he would return him before then.

 

Well, Song has a 15 day “get back on shape” period in which he can be sent to the minors as allowed for players removed from the Military List, but I don’t know if that means he can be left off the 40 man roster for it. This is somewhat of a new area with a Rule 5 pick…

[notin]

It depends on how Song looks. If he's a lost cause, the next 2 weeks may not matter. DD doesn't care about the bottom of the 40 man roster.

 

He could care about sticking it to the Sox, but it's really just sticking it to Song.

 

I don’t think DD is going to jeopardize the career of a player just to be petty with the Sox. I also really doubt he doesn’t care about the bottom of his 40 man roster. I do think he struggles to fill it due to his heavy-spending and farm-emptying strategies. But he also uses almost all of it every year just like every GM and he does his best with what he has left to fill it.

 

I think his goal is to stick it to Boston by getting a ring before they do. As the saying goes, living well is the best revenge.

[mvp 78]

If the Phillies don’t put him on the 40 - and on the 26 - they have to either return him, trade for him, or trade him to another team that puts him on the 26 man roster.

 

The only way he is available in the Rule 5 draft next year is if Philly completes a trade with Boston for him and then leaves him unprotected next year. That isn’t going to happen…

 

I think 5GG was under the assumption the Phillies were trading for Song's Rule 5 rights and would be able to pass him through waivers and get him off of the 40 man for the year.

[mvp 78]

I don’t think DD is going to jeopardize the career of a player just to be petty with the Sox. I also really doubt he doesn’t care about the bottom of his 40 man roster. I do think he struggles to fill it due to his heavy-spending and farm-emptying strategies. But he also uses almost all of it every year just like every GM and he does his best with what he has left to fill it.

 

I think his goal is to stick it to Boston by getting a ring before they do. As the saying goes, living well is the best revenge.

 

Yes, he uses the 40 man roster, but I don't think he uses the bottom of the 40 man roster well.

[notin]

Yes, he uses the 40 man roster, but I don't think he uses the bottom of the 40 man roster well.

 

He sets himself up with limited options for the reasons I stated above. I’d say the common ground for what we are both saying is he doesn’t prioritize the bottom of his 40 man to the extent other GMs do.

 

I also get he technically isn’t a GM, like Bloom isn’t as well. But it is a position commonly associated with roster management so I’m sticking with it while acknowledging it’s not technically correct…

[notin]

I think 5GG was under the assumption the Phillies were trading for Song's Rule 5 rights and would be able to pass him through waivers and get him off of the 40 man for the year.

 

I am not so sure he’d clear. Also he still burns an option year.

 

But if he just trades for him before adding, he saves that option year. It might be irrelevant given Song is almost 26 and might not need 4 option years. But that doesn’t mean he can/should needlessly burn one…