Fire Bloom .

[Bellhorn04]

No one thinks Song will straight up stick, so one of my two oft-mentioned options will happen…

 

No one knows if he'll stick, would be a more accurate way to put it, I think.

 

I think the most rational position is to simply shrug and say "I have no effing idea."

[Hugh2]

If anyone wants an expert analysis of the Song situation check out the latest Soxprospects.com podcast.

 

They jump right into it at the 2:55 mark

 

https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/26051379

[notin]

No one knows if he'll stick, would be a more accurate way to put it, I think.

 

I think the most rational position is to simply shrug and say "I have no effing idea."

 

And yet the sports journalism industry continues to try to predict the future.

 

If Philly really values him, they should make a move to acquire him so they can demoted him rather than they to actually force a full season out of him in MLB, which will not be as easy for them as you seem to think.

 

Of course, it’s entirely possible these discussions have already begun…

[moonslav59]

I thought the question is which teams would protect him, not which would select him.

 

You're saying no teams would protect him, even if they had no other pitching prospects.

 

Yes. I got bored with the old question and raised a new one.

 

No, I don't think any team would have put him on their 40 man roster, except maybe Philly, for all the reasons presented here.

 

His not being eligible to play is a pretty big stumbling block.

[mvp 78]

No one knows if he'll stick, would be a more accurate way to put it, I think.

 

I think the most rational position is to simply shrug and say "I have no effing idea."

 

I don't even know if there have been reports about what his velo looks like. All I've heard is that he's done some agility drills and light throwing.

[mvp 78]

Or more homework is done today in determining who to protect…

 

Or it took a few years for Bautista and Dickey to become what they'd eventually become? IDK.

[mvp 78]

And yet the sports journalism industry continues to try to predict the future.

 

If Philly really values him, they should make a move to acquire him so they can demoted him rather than they to actually force a full season out of him in MLB, which will not be as easy for them as you seem to think.

 

Of course, it’s entirely possible these discussions have already begun…

 

How would they do that?

[Hugh2]

I suspect competent baseball ops wouldn't think like this BUT. One downside of all this Song talk is....does this create the illusion that under similar circumstances in the future Song needs to be protected. When in reality, a guy who fits his profile probably doesn't get selected. So you waste a spot year after year and continue to lose guys who have a much higher probability of having an impact on your roster like WARD.

 

This is a crude analogy, but we are effectively asking if we need to change our daily lives because a meteor hit our neighboring town. Out of fear of death, meanwhile, we continue to sit at our computers, drink, smoke, and down cheeseburgers all day. God damn, I really want a cheeseburger right now.

[moonslav59]

I suspect competent baseball ops wouldn't think like this BUT. One downside of all this Song talk is....does this create the illusion that under similar circumstances in the future Song needs to be protected. When in reality, a guy who fits his profile probably doesn't get selected. So you waste a spot year after year and continue to lose guys who have a much higher probability of having an impact on your roster like WARD.

 

This is a crude analogy, but we are effectively asking if we need to change our daily lives because a meteor hit our neighboring town. Out of fear of death, meanwhile, we continue to sit at our computers, drink, smoke, and down cheeseburgers all day. God damn, I really want a cheeseburger right now.

 

Now, you have me craving one!

 

Damn YOU!

[Hugh2]

How would they do that?

 

If they trade for his rule 5 rights they would no longer have to carry him on their 26-man roster. Discussions? I doubt they have started between teams but I'm sure Philly is eager to take a look at him, and perhaps has an ideal of what it would take for Boston to trade him. Song was a DD pick, and we know how DD is about his guys, when he wants a guy he goes out and gets him. That's the strength he has that built a championship here in Boston. I think it could also be used against him, if he really wants Song but can't afford to carry him on the 26th man, Sox may be able to get back equal value.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes. I got bored with the old question and raised a new one.

 

No, I don't think any team would have put him on their 40 man roster, except maybe Philly, for all the reasons presented here.

 

His not being eligible to play is a pretty big stumbling block.

 

It was unknown if he'd be eligible to play. It wasn't known that he wouldn't be. Important distinction IMO. As actual events would suggest.

[moonslav59]

If they trade for his rule 5 rights they would no longer have to carry him on their 26-man roster. Discussions? I doubt they have started between teams but I'm sure Philly is eager to take a look at him, and perhaps has an ideal of what it would take for Boston to trade him. Song was a DD pick, and we know how DD is about his guys, when he wants a guy he goes out and gets him. That's the strength he has that built a championship here in Boston. I think it could also be used against him, if he really wants Song but can't afford to carry him on the 26th man, Sox may be able to get back equal value.

 

I think Philly will take all the time they can to assess what they have, and then decide what to do.

 

I'm pretty sure notin nailed what will happen.

[moonslav59]

It was unknown if he'd be eligible to play. It wasn't known that he wouldn't be. Important distinction IMO.

 

He was 100% ineligible when protection day arrived, but yes, there has always been a chance his status could change at any given time.

 

I hear he was scheduled to be deployed to Japan, so maybe that convinced the Sox his request for exemption would not be accepted.

 

I'm pretty sure DD did not expect this. I think he made this move with the longer term look.

 

It is an interesting side note story to the season, and with DD being the GM, it increases the energy put into following this as it plays out.

[notin]

How would they do that?

 

What? How would they talk about trading for Song?

 

DD: Hey Chaim, I’d like to keep Song, but not on the 26 man roster, since I’m trying to defend a pennant and tying up a bullpen slot with a completely green Rule 5 pick is impractical.

 

Bloom: OK. What will you give for complete rights to Song?

 

DD: We’ll, Painter and Abel are off limits. But I’m open to anyone else in this fairly barren minor league system.

 

Bloom: Ok, how about Johan Rojas?

 

DD: Hmmm. Still stockpiling speed, I see. Let me see Song pitch a little first, but I’ll get back to you on that.

 

 

And then they hang up and call each other names to their underlings…

[notin]

If they trade for his rule 5 rights they would no longer have to carry him on their 26-man roster. Discussions? I doubt they have started between teams but I'm sure Philly is eager to take a look at him, and perhaps has an ideal of what it would take for Boston to trade him. Song was a DD pick, and we know how DD is about his guys, when he wants a guy he goes out and gets him. That's the strength he has that built a championship here in Boston. I think it could also be used against him, if he really wants Song but can't afford to carry him on the 26th man, Sox may be able to get back equal value.

 

I’ve been saying that since draft day…

[Hugh2]

What? How would they talk about trading for Song?

 

DD: Hey Chaim, I’d like to keep Song, but not on the 26 man roster, since I’m trying to defend a pennant and tying up a bullpen slot with a completely green Rule 5 pick is impractical.

 

Bloom: OK. What will you give for complete rights to Song?

 

DD: We’ll, Painter and Abel are off limits. But I’m open to anyone else in this fairly barren minor league system.

 

Bloom: Ok, how about Johan Rojas?

 

DD: Hmmm. Still stockpiling speed, I see. Let me see Song pitch a little first, but I’ll get back to you on that.

 

 

And then they hang up and call each other names to their underlings…

 

this sounds very plausible.

[Hugh2]

He was 100% ineligible when protection day arrived, but yes, there has always been a chance his status could change at any given time.

 

I hear he was scheduled to be deployed to Japan, so maybe that convinced the Sox his request for exemption would not be accepted.

 

I'm pretty sure DD did not expect this. I think he made this move with the longer term look.

 

It is an interesting side note story to the season, and with DD being the GM, it increases the energy put into following this as it plays out.

 

DD absolutely did not expect this, because now he has to carry him on the 26 man. It's weird, people are looking at this like DD is a genius who picked Blooms pockets. Which is an easy narrative to buy into around these parts given their track records here, but I think the opposite is true. DD didn't want this to happen, he wanted to carry Song on the exemption list this year.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

DD absolutely did not expect this, because now he has to carry him on the 26 man. It's weird, people are looking at this like DD is a genius who picked Blooms pockets. Which is an easy narrative to buy into around these parts given their track records here, but I think the opposite is true. DD didn't want this to happen, he wanted to carry Song on the exemption list this year.

 

I never lost $100,000 dollars (the cost for a Rule V pick) on a lark, but any time I forget to eat leftovers, the owner of my franchise gets really mad.

[mvp 78]

What? How would they talk about trading for Song?

 

DD: Hey Chaim, I’d like to keep Song, but not on the 26 man roster, since I’m trying to defend a pennant and tying up a bullpen slot with a completely green Rule 5 pick is impractical.

 

Bloom: OK. What will you give for complete rights to Song?

 

DD: We’ll, Painter and Abel are off limits. But I’m open to anyone else in this fairly barren minor league system.

 

Bloom: Ok, how about Johan Rojas?

 

DD: Hmmm. Still stockpiling speed, I see. Let me see Song pitch a little first, but I’ll get back to you on that.

 

 

And then they hang up and call each other names to their underlings…

 

Sorry, I didn't realize that was an option. Jeez...

[Old Red]

DD absolutely did not expect this, because now he has to carry him on the 26 man. It's weird, people are looking at this like DD is a genius who picked Blooms pockets. Which is an easy narrative to buy into around these parts given their track records here, but I think the opposite is true. DD didn't want this to happen, he wanted to carry Song on the exemption list this year.

 

I agree that DD didn’t expect this, but i don’t think anyone thinks DD is a genius. Not now, not before, or not ever. He drafted Song, and took a chance on him. It not going to break the Phillies one way of the other what ends up with Song. I think it’s a bigger deal on here by far than it is in Philly.

[mvp 78]

@MacCerullo

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[Bellhorn04]

DD absolutely did not expect this, because now he has to carry him on the 26 man. It's weird, people are looking at this like DD is a genius who picked Blooms pockets. Which is an easy narrative to buy into around these parts given their track records here, but I think the opposite is true. DD didn't want this to happen, he wanted to carry Song on the exemption list this year.

 

Sure, but I doubt that he didn't also consider the possibility that Song would get permission to play this year...

[mvp 78]

Sure, but I doubt that he didn't also consider the possibility that Song would get permission to play this year...

 

To DD, it's a Rule 5 pick. The risk is a loss of $100,000. It's nothing. If Noah shows up and can throw smoke. It's a win. If he can't, you can trade him or let him go back. I don't think he really overthought it.

[Old Red]

To DD, it's a Rule 5 pick. The risk is a loss of $100,000. It's nothing. If Noah shows up and can throw smoke. It's a win. If he can't, you can trade him or let him go back. I don't think he really overthought it.

 

Agree, and like I said it’s a bigger deal on here than it is to DD, and Philly.

[mvp 78]

Agree, and like I said it’s a bigger deal on here than it is to DD, and Philly.

 

100%. If he doesn't work out there, they'll move on and forget he even showed up.

[notin]

Sorry, I didn't realize that was an option. Jeez...

 

Similar to how the Mariners got RA Dickey. Selected him and then traded some nobody named Jair Fernandez to keep him.

[notin]

To DD, it's a Rule 5 pick. The risk is a loss of $100,000. It's nothing. If Noah shows up and can throw smoke. It's a win. If he can't, you can trade him or let him go back. I don't think he really overthought it.

 

Trading him will probably prove difficult. He’s still a Rule 5 player who hasn’t pitched in almost 4 years. Probably why all those other teams passed on drafting him…

[Bellhorn04]

Agree, and like I said it’s a bigger deal on here than it is to DD, and Philly.

 

Well, it's the Red Sox media that really make a big deal out of this to start with.

 

For obvious reasons - DD pulling a "gotcha" on the Sox is juicy material for those guys.

[Bellhorn04]

Trading him will probably prove difficult. He’s still a Rule 5 player who hasn’t pitched in almost 4 years.

 

He missed 3 years. "Almost 4 years" is fudging it.

[mvp 78]

Trading him will probably prove difficult. He’s still a Rule 5 player who hasn’t pitched in almost 4 years. Probably why all those other teams passed on drafting him…

 

It depends on how he's throwing. If he's only hitting 91, he's being sent back. If he's touching mid 90's with fringy offspeed stuff, I could see OAK/WSH/PIT being able to stash him for the year and thinking of him as a long term solution somewhere once his arm is built back up.