Best Red Sox SS of All Time

[Bellhorn04]

It might help his case, if he was really good at playing SS.

 

His defensive metrics were good this year, no?

[moonslav59]

His defensive metrics were good this year, no?

 

Yes, but not great enough to project 6+ years of even near the same, and what GM goes by just the previous season? (Okay, maybe a couple...)

[mvp 78]

I love the new tag line!

 

Time is ticking....

[mvp 78]

His defensive metrics were good this year, no?

 

Only when shifted.

[Bellhorn04]

Only when shifted.

 

Another guy who fooled the metrics!

[mvp 78]

Another guy who fooled the metrics!

 

Nope. The metrics were fine. The metrics just showed that he had extra value when shifted, but less value when not in the shift.

[moonslav59]

Another guy who fooled the metrics!

 

Even then, he was 10th out of 30 in UZR/150 and 13th in DRS (his best number in his career.)

 

He's middle 10, in my book, at best. (IMO, he's probably more like 22nd to 26th, at best.)

[Bellhorn04]

Even then, he was 10th out of 30 in UZR/150 and 13th in DRS (his best number in his career.)

 

He's middle 10, in my book, at best. (IMO, he's probably more like 22nd to 26th, at best.)

 

Based on your eye test?

[moonslav59]

Based on your eye test?

 

Based on a longer sample size of data, and watching opposing SSs make way more plays than Bogey makes.

[Bellhorn04]

Based on a longer sample size of data, and watching opposing SSs make way more plays than Bogey makes.

 

His career advanced metrics are about average. No way he can be 22-26 unless it's eye test all the way.

[mvp 78]

Boras on whether or not they'll go back to the Sox with a matching offer:

 

@MacCerullo

Full quote: "We're not the matching kind. We let teams know they have to assert, we don't ever hold back from reaching an agreement with any team and certainly we don't give market preference to anyone otherwise I think the free agent right would be damaged."

[mvp 78]

Sox did meet with Boras about Xander last night, per Pete Abe "no progress was made."

[moonslav59]

Sox did meet with Boras about Xander last night, per Pete Abe "no progress was made."

 

Just trying to convince the fans they are "engaged."

[mvp 78]

@mlbtraderumors

Red Sox Meeting With Xander Bogaerts This Morning

[mvp 78]

@PeteAbe

My understanding is the Red Sox owners were on a call with team execs here last night. Might be what shakes things loose with Bogaerts as the sides will meet again this morning.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

@PeteAbe

My understanding is the Red Sox owners were on a call with team execs here last night. Might be what shakes things loose with Bogaerts as the sides will meet again this morning.

 

It's getting serious. They're engaged and they gave him a ring.

[Hugh2]

It's getting serious. They're engaged and they gave him a ring.

 

Normally when that happens someone says yes.

[mvp 78]

Normally when that happens someone says yes.

 

You haven't watched enough tv.

[notin]

You haven't watched enough tv.

 

Stop watching 90 Day Fiancée!!

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

Morosi on MLB Network says he believes the Red Sox are going to find a deal to keep Bogaerts.

[moonslav59]

@redsoxstats

Morosi on MLB Network says he believes the Red Sox are going to find a deal to keep Bogaerts.

 

I wonder if the hold up is over Bogey's desire to stay at SS (short or long term.)

 

If he insists on SS, I'd refuse a no-trade clause.

[mvp 78]

I wonder if the hold up is over Bogey's desire to stay at SS (short or long term.)

 

If he insists on SS, I'd refuse a no-trade clause.

 

Say yes now, move him off position later. Just be tactful about it and don't do it in public the way it's happening right now.

[moonslav59]

Say yes now, move him off position later. Just be tactful about it and don't do it in public the way it's happening right now.

 

I'd tell him the truth. One year guaranteed, but when Mayer is ready, things might change.

 

I'm guessing his agent will ask this question.

[notin]

I'd tell him the truth. One year guaranteed, but when Mayer is ready, things might change.

 

I'm guessing his agent will ask this question.

 

So?

 

Lie to his agent. You know he’s lying to you…

[moonslav59]

So?

 

Lie to his agent. You know he’s lying to you…

 

Not saying they won't lie.

 

They may also say something like, "We have no plans to move you."

[Bellhorn04]

Not saying they won't lie.

 

They may also say something like, "We have no plans to move you."

 

Bloom can absolutely handle that assignment.

[mvp 78]

Give him the $$$. Give him SS for 2023. Give him a "C" on his uni.

[moonslav59]

Give him the $$$. Give him SS for 2023. Give him a "C" on his uni.

 

The $$$ amount/ years does not matter?

[mvp 78]

The $$$ amount/ years does not matter?

 

In theory it's not Turner money? I haven't seen any estimates really. We're just throwing WAGs out there right now. Yes, Bogey could have an offer on the table that is too much money from another club. However, if that were the case, I think the Sox would have simply walked away today and there wouldn't be the hubbub.

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

A generic "..with Xander Bogaerts reportedly close to returning to the Red Sox.." line in Rosenthal's latest dispatch