The 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[Bellhorn04]

It wouldn't be the off season without folks griping about how slow it is developing. Happens every year. In my opinion , the Sox don't need to do too much. The lineup is good , with or without Schwarber. Move one , if not both, of Whitlock and Houck to the rotation. Concentrate and spend the resources on strengthening the bullpen. This is where so many games are won or lost these days.

 

We also have to replace E-Rod. 4 ERA or no, lucky or no, he had a lot of wins for us the last few years.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Hmmm maybe Bloom is after Kevin Gausman ? 4 years 80 with escalating bonuses into mid 90s .Then sign Correa and make some moves .5 years takes Kevin to age 36 season not horrible so it may take 5 or 6 years ? If so he could top out say 120 to 136 ? He’s not an Ace but he’s filthy.Talking through this we can get our guy for 140 over 7 and spread it out ? I really want this guy . Edited November 24, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

You mean pitchers?

 

Maybe one by trade and two by free agency, but the best one by trade.

[moonslav59]

Better get used to the idea that some will come from Worcester.

 

Like Seabold.

[moonslav59]

No zoom loon Bloom won't go vroom soon. The gloom goon fumes and booms a doom tomb tune.

 

You couldn't work "moon" unto that, somewhere?

[Swiharts Ghost]

Annnnnd hot stove starts I’m here .

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Like Seabold.

 

I think at least Seabold and Winckowski take some turns in the rotation, even if they don't break camp in March. Hopefully, a younger guy like Bello has a great first half and makes surprise starts in Boston, as well. Though it's just as likely that all three begin in the MLB bullpen and see steady usage at some point as part of some middle-innings plan.

 

I'd be shocked if any free agent pitcher the Sox sign also costs a QO.

[Tedballgame]

Doesn’t look like it. Rule 5 the next move?

 

The odds of getting anything from Rule 5 like Whitlock are about a 1000 to 1.

[Tedballgame]

It wouldn't be the off season without folks griping about how slow it is developing. Happens every year. In my opinion , the Sox don't need to do too much. The lineup is good , with or without Schwarber. Move one , if not both, of Whitlock and Houck to the rotation. Concentrate and spend the resources on strengthening the bullpen. This is where so many games are won or lost these days.

 

Totally agree on strengthening the bullpen. A lights out bullpen wins a lot of games.

[moonslav59]

I think at least Seabold and Winckowski take some turns in the rotation, even if they don't break camp in March. Hopefully, a younger guy like Bello has a great first half and makes surprise starts in Boston, as well. Though it's just as likely that all three begin in the MLB bullpen and see steady usage at some point as part of some middle-innings plan.

 

I'd be shocked if any free agent pitcher the Sox sign also costs a QO.

 

Agreed, all around.

 

I still think we'll trade for a top 2 slot pitcher and sign a couple lower to mid cost free agents that hopefully do better than Richards/Prerez/Andriese.

[Larry Cook]

Is foltentiwisz still out there?

 

He reminds me of pivetta, in that he has issues with his mechanics that need sorting.

 

Hang’em Chaim seems to be good at figuring out how to get pitchers fixed.

[harmony]

Is foltentiwisz still out there?

 

He reminds me of pivetta, in that he has issues with his mechanics that need sorting.

 

Hang’em Chaim seems to be good at figuring out how to get pitchers fixed.

Marcels projects free agent righthander Mike Foltynewicz with a 2022 ERA of 4.96 in 127 innings while Steamer projects Foltynewicz with a 2022 ERA of 5.15 in 126 innings:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/foltymi01.shtml

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/mike-foltynewicz/10811/stats?position=P

[mvp 78]

You couldn't work "moon" unto that, somewhere?

 

No.

[mvp 78]

Annnnnd hot stove starts I’m here .

 

Hot stove is now cancelled. Better luck next offseason guys!

[mvp 78]

Is foltentiwisz still out there?

 

He reminds me of pivetta, in that he has issues with his mechanics that need sorting.

 

Hang’em Chaim seems to be good at figuring out how to get pitchers fixed.

Folty had one good year when his spin rates were out of control. Aside from that year, he’s been a 6th starter.

[mvp 78]

Marcels projects free agent righthander Mike Foltynewicz with a 2022 ERA of 4.96 in 127 innings while Steamer projects Foltynewicz with a 2022 ERA of 5.15 in 126 innings:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/foltymi01.shtml

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/mike-foltynewicz/10811/stats?position=P

 

I’d only sign him to a MiLB deal.

[Kimmi]

It wouldn't be the off season without folks griping about how slow it is developing. Happens every year. In my opinion , the Sox don't need to do too much. The lineup is good , with or without Schwarber. Move one , if not both, of Whitlock and Houck to the rotation. Concentrate and spend the resources on strengthening the bullpen. This is where so many games are won or lost these days.

 

You had me up until "concentrate and spend the resources on strengthening the bullpen." Actually, I can agree with that too, up to a point, but as I've said many times before, I don't like spending big on the bullpen. That's not to say that the bullpen is not important, I just don't want to spend big on it.

 

I think the concentration of resources should be on starting pitching.

[Bellhorn04]

You had me up until "concentrate and spend the resources on strengthening the bullpen." Actually, I can agree with that too, up to a point, but as I've said many times before, I don't like spending big on the bullpen. That's not to say that the bullpen is not important, I just don't want to spend big on it.

 

I think the concentration of resources should be on starting pitching.

 

I mostly agree, but man, starting pitchers with credentials are pricy.

[moonslav59]

You had me up until "concentrate and spend the resources on strengthening the bullpen." Actually, I can agree with that too, up to a point, but as I've said many times before, I don't like spending big on the bullpen. That's not to say that the bullpen is not important, I just don't want to spend big on it.

 

I think the concentration of resources should be on starting pitching.

 

I agree, and to some extent, starters are more known commodities.

 

We lost Ottavino, so I think keeping Houck & Whitlock in the pen makes a lot of sense.

[moonslav59]

I mostly agree, but man, starting pitchers with credentials are pricy.

 

Indeed, but they also pitch double or triple the innings.

[Bellhorn04]

Indeed, but they also pitch double or triple the innings.

 

Yes, for quadruple the cost LOL

 

Highest contract to starter Cole 324 mill

Highest contact to reliever Chapman 86 mill

[moonslav59]

Yes, for quadruple the cost LOL

 

Highest contract to starter Cole 324 mill

Highest contact to reliever Chapman 86 mill

 

Better pitchers.

Triple the innings.

Quadruple the cost.

 

Sounds good to me.

[Bellhorn04]

Better pitchers.

Triple the innings.

Quadruple the cost.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

We're seeing changes in how pitchers are used, though. Starters throwing fewer innings and relievers more. So that triple innings thing is going down.

 

Whitlock pitched 73.1 innings in 2021.

 

Top 3 starters by IP

 

Eovaldi 182.1 = 2.49 times as many

E-Rod 157.2 = 2.15

Pivetta 155.0 = 2.11

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes, for quadruple the cost LOL

 

Highest contract to starter Cole 324 mill

Highest contact to reliever Chapman 86 mill

 

Total rings in pinstripes for either: 0

[moonslav59]

We're seeing changes in how pitchers are used, though. Starters throwing fewer innings and relievers more. So that triple innings thing is going down.

 

Whitlock pitched 73.1 innings in 2021.

 

Top 3 starters by IP

 

Eovaldi 182.1 = 2.49 times as many

E-Rod 157.2 = 2.15

Pivetta 155.0 = 2.11

 

Yes, but many RP'ers pitch 40-55 innings or 60, so 150-190 is close to quadruple most RP'ers.

 

I'd like to see Houck and Whitlock stay in the pen and get between 100-120 IP, each.

 

That would eat up the lost Ottavino and Richards pen innings.

 

Then, add another RP'er or two to take up the some other IP'd we'd like to see replaced and improved upon.

 

Trade for one really good pitcher and sign someone like Jon Gray.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, but many RP'ers pitch 40-55 innings or 60, so 150-190 is close to quadruple most RP'ers.

 

If you compare #1 starters to #1 relievers the ratio has generally been 3 to 1.

[notin]

Total rings in pinstripes for either: 0

 

But the Yankees did trade Chapman elsewhere so he could win one…

[Nick]

I think the concentration of resources should be on starting pitching. Kimmi

 

I agree, and to some extent, starters are more known commodities.

 

We lost Ottavino, so I think keeping Houck & Whitlock in the pen makes a lot of sense. Moon

 

You are the biggest fence straddler when it comes to this.

 

I'd say give both chance to start. Houck & Whitlock may give us terrific starting pitching for two years at $1M.

 

Go find pen help.

 

Again, aren't you the biggest critiquer when it comes Sox not developing starting pitching? Yet you want to turn every one of them into a reliever. I don't get it.

[moonslav59]

I think the concentration of resources should be on starting pitching. Kimmi

 

I agree, and to some extent, starters are more known commodities.

 

We lost Ottavino, so I think keeping Houck & Whitlock in the pen makes a lot of sense. Moon

 

You are the biggest fence straddler when it comes to this.

 

I'd say give both chance to start. Houck & Whitlock may give us terrific starting pitching for two years at $1M.

 

Go find pen help.

 

Again, aren't you the biggest critiquer when it comes Sox not developing starting pitching? Yet you want to turn every one of them into a reliever. I don't get it.

 

I think I’m pretty firm in wanting to acquire a top SPer so we can keep Houck in the pen. I’d rather add a Jon Gray type and keep Whitlock in the pen, too, but I’m okay with converting him to a starter.

 

If one goes to the rotation, we better add some pen help- quality and quantity.

[moonslav59]

I think the concentration of resources should be on starting pitching. Kimmi

 

I agree, and to some extent, starters are more known commodities.

 

We lost Ottavino, so I think keeping Houck & Whitlock in the pen makes a lot of sense. Moon

 

You are the biggest fence straddler when it comes to this.

 

I'd say give both chance to start. Houck & Whitlock may give us terrific starting pitching for two years at $1M.

 

Go find pen help.

 

Again, aren't you the biggest critiquer when it comes Sox not developing starting pitching? Yet you want to turn every one of them into a reliever. I don't get it.

 

BT W I am not the one saying that. It’s not every pitcher either

Edited November 25, 2021 by moonslav59