The 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[notin]

My recollection was Sox over reacted to coming in second place to the White Sox in Jose Abreu sweepstake. I read somewhere Sox was NOT going to come in second place for two years in a row. Rest is history.

 

Also we are on the hook for a portion of last year of Price's contract, $16M. Of course it has to count against our luxury tax. Otherwise we'd trade away bad contracts to get it off our books. Surprised we're discussing that...

 

 

I imagine the fact that JBJ couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat back then also figured into it. It was also about that time the Sox moved Betts to the outfield, originally in center. So was it about “not losing out”? Or about finding a CF? Or maybe both?

[Tedballgame]

Sox wasted 72 million on Rusney Castillo when, for a few million less the year before, they could have signed Jose Abreu. A big mistake by Ben Cherrington and staff.

[mvp 78]

Sox wasted 72 million on Rusney Castillo when, for a few million less the year before, they could have signed Jose Abreu. A big mistake by Ben Cherrington and staff.

 

And 1b has been kind of a shitshow for the Sox ever since trading AGon. Having Abreu there would have solved a big hole for the org.

[Bellhorn04]

It's all water under the Tobin. This organization has made its share of mistakes, but 4 rings really takes the sting out of it...

[Tedballgame]

It's all water under the Tobin. This organization has made its share of mistakes, but 4 rings really takes the sting out of it...

 

I agree with that.

[Nick]

It's all water under the Tobin. This organization has made its share of mistakes, but 4 rings really takes the sting out of it...

 

Yep....Sox 4 Yankees 1

[mvp 78]

It's all water under the Tobin. This organization has made its share of mistakes, but 4 rings really takes the sting out of it...

 

Only 1 of those since the Castillo blunder.

[Bellhorn04]

Only 1 of those since the Castillo blunder.

 

That's Fellowship of the Miserable stuff, though LOL

[mvp 78]

That's Fellowship of the Miserable stuff, though LOL

 

Curse of the Castillo, the Rusney's Paw if you will...

[moonslav59]

And 1b has been kind of a shitshow for the Sox ever since trading AGon. Having Abreu there would have solved a big hole for the org.

 

Maybe since Napoli (2013 version, which was better than the 2012 version of AGon). Also, HRam did well in 2016, and 2018 with Moreland & Pearce was good. I guess we don't count 2020.

 

Red Sox 1B production since 2011:

2011 .329 28 118 (.944 OPS/136 OPS+) AGon

2012 .289 22 96 (.795/104) AGon (Loney)

2013 .262 26 106 (.841/117) Napoli (Carp)

2014 .222 16 65 (.692/85) Napoli (Craig/Carp)

2015 .226 29 82 (.727/84) Napoli/Shaw

2016 .269 29 112 (.807/104) HRam (Shaw)

2017 .240 25 80 (.749/80) Moreland (HRam/Shaw)

2018 .267 23 109 (.794/106) Moreland/Pearce (HRam)

2019 .244 29 99 (.745/86) Moreland/Chavis (Pearce/Travis)

2020 .280 18 44 (.942/137) Dalbec/Chavis/Moreland

2021 .239 30 97 (.777/90) Dalbec (Marwin/Schwarber/Santana)

 

[mvp 78]

Maybe since Napoli (2013 version, which was better than the 2012 version of AGon). Also, HRam did well in 2016, and 2018 with Moreland & Pearce was good. I guess we don't count 2020.

 

Red Sox 1B production since 2011:

2011 .329 28 118 (.944 OPS/136 OPS+) AGon

2012 .289 22 96 (.795/104) AGon (Loney)

2013 .262 26 106 (.841/117) Napoli (Carp)

2014 .222 16 65 (.692/85) Napoli (Craig/Carp)

2015 .226 29 82 (.727/84) Napoli/Shaw

2016 .269 29 112 (.807/104) HRam (Shaw)

2017 .240 25 80 (.749/80) Moreland (HRam/Shaw)

2018 .267 23 109 (.794/106) Moreland/Pearce (HRam)

2019 .244 29 99 (.745/86) Moreland/Chavis (Pearce/Travis)

2020 .280 18 44 (.942/137) Dalbec/Chavis/Moreland

2021 .239 30 97 (.777/90) Dalbec (Marwin/Schwarber/Santana)

 

 

WRC+

2011 3rd

2012 20th

2013 7th

2014 25th

2015 22nd

2016 15th

2017 25th

2018 14th

2019 26th

2020 8th

2021 20th

 

1b has been so much of a shitshow that you have to defend 2016 and 2018 as plus years when they were clearly middle of the road. Aside from Napoli being in beast mode at the start of 2013 and Dalbec being a human volcano at the end of 2020, there hasn't been much to talk about positively for an important offensive cog.

[moonslav59]

WRC+

2011 3rd

2012 20th

2013 7th

2014 25th

2015 22nd

2016 15th

2017 25th

2018 14th

2019 26th

2020 8th

2021 20th

 

1b has been so much of a shitshow that you have to defend 2016 and 2018 as plus years when they were clearly middle of the road. Aside from Napoli being in beast mode at the start of 2013 and Dalbec being a human volcano at the end of 2020, there hasn't been much to talk about positively for an important offensive cog.

 

I did not "defend" 2016 or 2018. You assume a lot, as always.

 

Yes, AGon in 2011 was awesome, and we haven't had a full season like that since. I'm not disagreeing with you.

 

The numbers did point out AGon's 2012 version was close to the same or even worse than some who came after, including Napoli in 2013 only, HRam in 2016 only, and Moreland in 2018 only. I specifically said I guess Dalbec's 2020 does not count.

 

Yes, their seasons were pretty much "middle of the road," except for maybe Napoli's 2013 season, but so was AGon's last season with the Sox. When you say "since AGon" that should count 2012, too.

 

When combining all seasons with the Sox, AGon beats out napoli, HRam and Moreland, so in that sense, he was clearly the best we've had in a decade. It's not even close:

 

wRC+ since 2011:

138 AGon

116 Napoli

115 Dalbec

108 Moreland

103 HRam (some in LF)

99 Shaw

80 Chavis

 

OPS

.895 AGon

.819 Dalbec

.803 Moreland

.785 Napoli

 

I was just providing facts and looking at individual seasons. It might not be how you were making your judgment or want others to view it, but it's a valid way at looking at our 1Bmen over the years.

 

I know I can be hypercritical, at times, but you take it to a very high level.

 

[mvp 78]

I did not "defend" 2016 or 2018. You assume a lot, as always.

 

 

HRam did well in 2016, and 2018 with Moreland & Pearce was good.

 

Ok.

[moonslav59]

Ok.

 

Saying they did well or good is not saying they were better than AGon, although the 2012 AGon was not much better.

 

I was not "defending" them as being better than AGon. I merely pointed out those individual seasons compared to the 2012 AGon season.

 

You assume more than what is written- a common thing for you.

[mvp 78]

Royals sign Colten Brewer to MiLB deal.

[notin]

Royals sign Colten Brewer to MiLB deal.

 

Bloom asleep at the wheel again…

[mvp 78]

Bloom asleep at the wheel again…

 

He better not let Heath Hembree get away again.

[mvp 78]

Here's a list of the Sox Minor League Free Agents:

 

RHP Jose Adames

C Roldani Baldwin

RHP Seth Blair

RHP Colten Brewer (gone)

RHP Matt Carasiti

LHP Enmanuel De Jesus (gone)

2B Chad De La Guerra

RHP Jose De Leon (gone)

RHP Jose Disla

RHP Jose Espada

RHP Raynel Espinal

OF Michael Gettys (re-signed)

LHP Stephen Gonsalves (I believe signed elsewhere)

RHP Daniel Gossett

RHP Zac Grotz

C Christopher Herrmann

SS Jose Iglesias

LHP Matt Kent (gone)

SS Jack Lopez

OF Tate Matheny

1B Joey Meneses (gone)

OF Johan Mieses (re-signed)

3B Yairo Munoz

1B Josh Ockimey

LHP Tyler Olson

LHP Yorvin Pantoja

RHP Brad Peacock

C Jhonny Pereda (gone)

RHP Denyi Reyes (gone)

RHP Yacksel Rios (gone)

SS Jeremy Rivera

Edited January 24, 2022 by mvp 78

[moonslav59]

Who have we added as MiLB free agent signings?

[notin]

Who have we added as MiLB free agent signings?

 

RHP Taylor Cole

OF Izzy Wilson

OF Johan Mieses (re-signed)

2b Claudio Simon

Util Rob Refsnyder

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

RHP Taylor Cole

OF Izzy Wilson

OF Johan Mieses (re-signed)

2b Claudio Simon

Util Rob Refsnyder

 

OF Christin Stewart? Played the entire '21 season for the Toledo Mud Hens, impersonating a AAA player: 21 HRs, 100 Ks...

[mvp 78]

OF Christin Stewart? Played the entire '21 season for the Toledo Mud Hens, impersonating a AAA player: 21 HRs, 100 Ks...

 

Also, Michael Feliz who was with the Sox at certain points last season, but ended with OAK.

[moonslav59]

We also added....

Wandy Abreu, Jose Liriano & Cristian Nunez (IFAs)

Michael Gettys (re-signed?)

Austin Lambright & Brian Keller (Minor League Rule 5)

 

 

[notin]

We also added....

Wandy Abreu, Jose Liriano & Cristian Nunez (IFAs)

Michael Gettys (re-signed?)

Austin Lambright & Brian Keller (Minor League Rule 5)

 

 

 

Whoa!!! The Austin Lambright?!?

[moonslav59]

Whoa!!! The Austin Lambright?!?

 

Is there another?

 

[notin]

He better not let Heath Hembree get away again.

 

I know it’s sarcasm, but I’m willing to bet that’s still the first time in the history of the English language that all words were strung together…

[Bellhorn04]

I know it’s sarcasm, but I’m willing to bet that’s still the first time in the history of the English language that all words were strung together…

 

How about Tony Armas? 4 body parts strung together!

[mvp 78]

How about Tony Armas? 4 body parts strung together!

 

https://twitter.com/myjunkwax/status/1483452743213883400

[mvp 78]

I know it’s sarcasm, but I’m willing to bet that’s still the first time in the history of the English language that all words were strung together…

 

I'm sure someone at Spartanburg PD said those exact words when Heath was a teenager.

[Tedballgame]

A report from Yahoo Japan states the Red Sox are the favorites to land Seiya Suzuki, and "multiple officials" expect the Japanese outfielder to sign his contract with Boston shortly after the league resumes.

 

This would be awesome!