The 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[mvp 78]

Seager got $325 mill, so that might be the proper comp now.

 

I forgot about that bad contract. I guess the Betts' deal is a steal these days!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I seriously doubt Bloom & Co. see Correa as the one to splurge on.

 

Still waiting for Bloom to sign the anyone for more than two years...

[moonslav59]

Still waiting for Bloom to sign the anyone for more than two years...

 

It will happen.

 

I was pretty sure it would happen, this winter, and maybe it still will, but I wonder...

[moonslav59]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Houston seems like a franchise that picks and chooses which stars to pay to stay (cue Dombro: "We can't keep them all.").

 

They did well to lock up Bregman when he was young at an affordable rate. But Cole was immediately wearing a different cap in the presser after the '19 Series, and Correa also seemed to know that he would go, after laughing at the Astros' offer that was half what he was seeking. Was Beltran in his prime ever offered fair market value?

 

Big and short on Verlander looks like a good approach for savvy clubs...

 

Yes, you are right. One could argue it would have been too expensive to keep everyone: Springer, Correa, Cole...

 

I like the Bregman extension, too, but he did not have a great 2021.

[Old Red]

It will happen.

 

I was pretty sure it would happen, this winter, and maybe it still will, but I wonder...

 

Even after the year end press conference that Kennedy, and Bloom had you still thought that?

[moonslav59]

Even after the year end press conference that Kennedy, and Bloom had you still thought that?

 

Yes, I did.

 

3 year deals don't have to be mega ones.

 

I also don't take what big brass say as the gospel, either.

[Old Red]

Yes, I did.

 

3 year deals don't have to be mega ones.

 

I also don't take what big brass say as the gospel, either.

 

Well think what you want, but so far they have done exactly what they said they were going to do. If they were going to spend money this year I would have hoped they would have spent it on pitching instead of signing the likes of Whacka, and by the way you got your big contract when they traded for the overpriced JBJ. I’ll take what the big brass say as gospel until they do different, and wishful think isn’t going to change that.

[moonslav59]

Well think what you want, but so far they have done exactly what they said they were going to do. If they were going to spend money this year I would have hoped they would have spent it on pitching instead of signing the likes of Whacka, and by the way you got your big contract when they traded for the overpriced JBJ. I’ll take what the big brass say as gospel until they do different, and wishful think isn’t going to change that.

 

GMs often say one thing and do another.

 

It was reported they made ERod a "multi-year offer," but I guess that could have been just 2 years.

 

It was also reported we were in on Baez and are currently in on Suzuki. It's hard to imagine being "in" with just a 1 or 2 year deal.

 

I don't see it as wishful thinking. For one thing, I don't wish we sign someone to 3+ years, if I don't like the player.

 

I like the idea of limiting long term contracts to only very deserving players, and I think that is the team strategy, right now.

 

The reason we have not signed anyone for more than 3 years might be more about the amount of money than the years.

[Old Red]

GMs often say one thing and do another.

 

It was reported they made ERod a "multi-year offer," but I guess that could have been just 2 years.

 

It was also reported we were in on Baez and are currently in on Suzuki. It's hard to imagine being "in" with just a 1 or 2 year deal.

 

I don't see it as wishful thinking. For one thing, I don't wish we sign someone to 3+ years, if I don't like the player.

 

I like the idea of limiting long term contracts to only very deserving players, and I think that is the team strategy, right now.

 

The reason we have not signed anyone for more than 3 years might be more about the amount of money than the years.

 

Yes GM’s do say one thing, and do another, but so far the Red Sox have followed the same plan for 2 years now, and so far this year have stuck to last years plan just like they said they would.

Reports of offering players contracts, and actually offering contracts doesn’t always mean they were offered, or legit. The Sox offered Lester a contract knowing he wouldn’t take itjust like they did with Betts. It meant absolutely nothing, so to keep on thinking the Sox are going to do something big to me is wishful thinking. Don’t get me wrong I would like to see them lock up Bogey, and Raffy, but I don’t think that will happen. I’m just going on for the 100th time on what Bloom, and Kennedy have said, and not my opinion, so I don’t know what you are going on. Another head scratcher?

[moonslav59]

Yes GM’s do say one thing, and do another, but so far the Red Sox have followed the same plan for 2 years now, and so far this year have stuck to last years plan just like they said they would.

Reports of offering players contracts, and actually offering contracts doesn’t always mean they were offered, or legit. The Sox offered Lester a contract knowing he wouldn’t take itjust like they did with Betts. It meant absolutely nothing, so to keep on thinking the Sox are going to do something big to me is wishful thinking. Don’t get me wrong I would like to see them lock up Bogey, and Raffy, but I don’t think that will happen. I’m just going on for the 100th time on what Bloom, and Kennedy have said, and not my opinion, so I don’t know what you are going on. Another head scratcher?

 

I am not certain the Sox will "do something big," this winter, and I don't want them to, if it's the wrong signing. For example, I don't want us to go large and long on Story.

 

I would like to see us get Suzuki, and maybe that is wishful thinking to believe we are even making a 3+ year offer, but I'm pretty sure we are, will or already did that.

 

I'm guessing we made Baez a 3+ year offer but came up short. I have no evidence, and with him, I do wish we had gotten him.

 

You act like I am saying I am sure we will sign someone long term, this winter. I am not sure, but I think we might, and Suzuki looks like the best bet.

 

I do think eventually, most likely by spring of 2023, we will sign someone to 3+ years and big money- maybe Devers.

 

Maybe the strategy will continue to be no large and long deals, but I think if we go that route, we will eventually see large and short deals or long and moderate deals.

Edited January 19, 2022 by moonslav59

[Old Red]

I am not certain the Sox will "do something big," this winter, and I don't want them to, if it's the wrong signing. For example, I don't want us to go large and long on Story.

 

I would like to see us get Suzuki, and maybe that is wishful thinking to believe we are even making a 3+ year offer, but I'm pretty sure we are, will or already did that.

 

I'm guessing we made Baez a 3+ year offer but came up short. I have no evidence, and with him, I do wish we had gotten him.

 

You act like I am saying I am sure we will sign someone long term, this winter. I am not sure, but I think we might, and Suzuki looks like the best bet.

 

I do think eventually, most likely by spring of 2023, we will sign someone to 3+ years and big money- maybe Devers.

 

Maybe the strategy will continue to be no large and long deals, but I think if we go that route, we will eventually see large and short deals or long and moderate deals.

 

I know I’m a broken record, but my opinions are based on what Kennedy, and Bloom said, and so far how they have done business for the last two years. I doubt they made any Serious offers to anyone this off season outside of the Whacka types, and must have had a weak moment when they took back JBJ, and his contract , so when you say you are not sure the Sox will sign someone long term this winter, but think they might what is that based on?

[Nick]

I know I’m a broken record, but my opinions are based on what Kennedy, and Bloom said, and so far how they have done business for the last two years. I doubt they made any Serious offers to anyone this off season outside of the Whacka types, and must have had a weak moment when they took back JBJ, and his contract , so when you say you are not sure the Sox will sign someone long term this winter, but think they might what is that based on?

 

I'm with you on this issue. I also pay attention to what the team says, including our manager. I'm not around people that lie constantly and I would hate to think Bloom is that type. He's pretty much done what he said he'd do.

 

What I WANT and what I THINK the team will do is always different.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Nick

[moonslav59]

I know I’m a broken record, but my opinions are based on what Kennedy, and Bloom said, and so far how they have done business for the last two years. I doubt they made any Serious offers to anyone this off season outside of the Whacka types, and must have had a weak moment when they took back JBJ, and his contract , so when you say you are not sure the Sox will sign someone long term this winter, but think they might what is that based on?

 

It's based on rumors we are a top contender for Suzuki, rumors we were in on Baez, rumors we offered ERod "multi years," and the fact that we have been big spenders for many years in a row, including last year.

 

The problem with last year was that we had about $40M to spend and 10 slots to fill. This year, we have about the same amunt of money but only 4-6 slots to fill, so I'm thinking we may spend more due to less players needed with the same spending budget.

 

I might be wrong.

 

Do you really think there is a zero percent change we go 3+ years on Suzuki based an a ew comments made months ago by a couple top brass guys?

 

For one thing, contexts change. The new CBA agreement may make it more (or less) likely we sign someone long nd large.

 

Do I have to define what "might" means to me to see if it means something different to you?

 

[moonslav59]

I'm with you on this issue. I also pay attention to what the team says, including our manager. I'm not around people that lie constantly and I would hate to think Bloom is that type. He's pretty much done what he said he'd do.

 

What I WANT and what I THINK the team will do is always different.

 

What Old Red is talking about was more about what Kennedy said months ago.

 

How many times have you heard a GM say we are not looking to trade so and so, only to see that so and so traded days or weeks later?

 

Look, I certainly see a strong possibility we make no big deals, this winter. We may extend Devers after the season starts, but even that is up in the air.

 

[Old Red]

It's based on rumors we are a top contender for Suzuki, rumors we were in on Baez, rumors we offered ERod "multi years," and the fact that we have been big spenders for many years in a row, including last year.

 

The problem with last year was that we had about $40M to spend and 10 slots to fill. This year, we have about the same amunt of money but only 4-6 slots to fill, so I'm thinking we may spend more due to less players needed with the same spending budget.

 

I might be wrong.

 

Do you really think there is a zero percent change we go 3+ years on Suzuki based an a ew comments made months ago by a couple top brass guys?

 

For one thing, contexts change. The new CBA agreement may make it more (or less) likely we sign someone long nd large.

 

Do I have to define what "might" means to me to see if it means something different to you?

 

 

Maybe you should have done the year end press conference since you seem to know more than Kennedy, and Bloom. NOT. All wishful thinking on your part.

[moonslav59]

Maybe you should have done the year end press conference since you seem to know more than Kennedy, and Bloom. NOT. All wishful thinking on your part.

 

Where do I even hint at knowing what we WILL do, let alone more than they do?

 

I said there is a strong possibility we make no big moves.

 

You are assuming things I am not saying-- again.

[moonslav59]

Maybe you should have done the year end press conference since you seem to know more than Kennedy, and Bloom. NOT. All wishful thinking on your part.

 

Do you believe there is a 0% chance we sign Suzuki to 3+ years?

 

0% chance we even make a 3 or more year offer?

 

BTW, if we do sign Suzuki to 3 or more years, you will not hear me say, "I told you so," because I never did.

[Old Red]

Do you believe there is a 0% chance we sign Suzuki to 3+ years?

 

0% chance we even make a 3 or more year offer?

 

BTW, if we do sign Suzuki to 3 or more years, you will not hear me say, "I told you so," because I never did.

 

I could care less if we sign Suzuki, or not, and he’ll probably go to the Yankees anyway. You said you can’t trust the top brass. Has Bloom, and Kennedy throw out any BS, or did what they said they would do?

[Tedballgame]

Yes, the word "afford" is subject to interpretation.

 

I can afford to buy a lot of things but I can't justify them. The Sox couldn't justify paying Mookie 350 million. I don't blame them.

[Bellhorn04]

I could care less if we sign Suzuki, or not, and he’ll probably go to the Yankees anyway. You said you can’t trust the top brass. Has Bloom, and Kennedy throw out any BS, or did what they said they would do?

 

Did Bloom or Kennedy actually say they were not going to issue any big contracts?

[Bellhorn04]

At that season-ending press conference Bloom called Bogaerts and Devers "cornerstone players" and said he wants to keep them with the team long-term.

 

But he said something similar about Betts not long before trading him.

 

The best thing is not to pay too much attention to what the brass says. They're not obligated to broadcast their plans to anyone.

[Old Red]

Did Bloom or Kennedy actually say they were not going to issue any big contracts?

 

Go back, and watch the press conference, and then you can form your own opinion.

[Bellhorn04]

Go back, and watch the press conference, and then you can form your own opinion.

 

I've been reading highlights from it.

 

If it's a matter of "forming an opinion", that means they didn't say anything like that directly, which is what I would expect.

[Old Red]

I've been reading highlights from it.

 

If it's a matter of "forming an opinion", that means they didn't say anything like that directly, which is what I would expect.

 

Everyone has their own opinions of what will happen. My opinion is formed by what Kennedy, and Bloom said plus what they have done so far the last two years, and all the bargain basement shopping they have done, and what they haven’t done such as long term contracts.

[moonslav59]

I could care less if we sign Suzuki, or not, and he’ll probably go to the Yankees anyway. You said you can’t trust the top brass. Has Bloom, and Kennedy throw out any BS, or did what they said they would do?

 

I did not ask if you wanted Suzuki. I'm not sure he'd be a good signing either. Hell, I liked the Rusney signing. I never pretend to know more than even the worst GM the Sox have ever had.

 

My question was- do you think there is a zero chance we offer or sign Suzuki to a 3 or more year deal?

 

Yes or No.

[Old Red]

At that season-ending press conference Bloom called Bogaerts and Devers "cornerstone players" and said he wants to keep them with the team long-term.

 

But he said something similar about Betts not long before trading him.

 

The best thing is not to pay too much attention to what the brass says. They're not obligated to broadcast their plans to anyone.

 

Of course Bloom called Bogerts, and Devers cornerstone players, and said he wants to keep them long term, and the same about Mookie, and he probably did want to keep them. It would be bad PR if he didn’t, but that doesn’t mean the Red Sox would do so at any cost, and I think they pretty much knew that Mookie wasn’t going to stay anyway. Not quite the same as saying the Sox were pretty much going to follow the same plan as last year with short term contracts from lower rated FA. Moon keeps saying they spent $40M last year, but was that $40M more than the year before, or $40M just replacing what had left the team.

[Old Red]

I did not ask if you wanted Suzuki. I'm not sure he'd be a good signing either. Hell, I liked the Rusney signing. I never pretend to know more than even the worst GM the Sox have ever had.

 

My question was- do you think there is a zero chance we offer or sign Suzuki to a 3 or more year deal?

 

Yes or No.

 

No. They could offer anyone a contract. The bigger question is was the contract legit. They offered Lester, and Mookie a contract too knowing that neither one would accept the offer. In other words it wasn’t a legit offer.

[moonslav59]

Everyone has their own opinions of what will happen. My opinion is formed by what Kennedy, and Bloom said plus what they have done so far the last two years, and all the bargain basement shopping they have done, and what they haven’t done such as long term contracts.

 

So did they lie when they said they wanted to keep Devers long term?

 

It seems your interpretation of what they said at that "Gospel" press conference is at odds with other statements they made.

 

Look, I'm not saying they will make a big signing. I'm thinking there is a good chance they don't. I'm not taking a position they will. I just said they "might," and you ask me for proof of why I believe it "might happen." I can't prove something might possibly happen.

 

I ask again, do you really think there is NO chance we sign anyone for more than 2 years? If you think there is a 0.001% chance, is that a "might?"

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

No. They could offer anyone a contract. The bigger question is was the contract legit. They offered Lester, and Mookie a contract too knowing that neither one would accept the offer. In other words it wasn’t a legit offer.

 

So, they might have offered Baez 3+ years knowing he'd say no, then kept that a secret from the public.

[Old Red]

So, they might have offered Baez 3+ years knowing he'd say no, then kept that a secret from the public.

 

Do you know for sure they offered Baez any kind of contract, or are you going off rumors? If they did offer a contract for what, and how long?