The Official 2021 ALCS Thread

[d-money]

That's your opinion, not fact.

 

I should also throw in trespassing onto the roof of the Bengals' stadium that one day to get game film. All I'm saying is they haven't had the best moral compass under Belichick. Have they done anything outright illegal? No. Have they gamed the system? More than anybody else, you could argue. I bet Gruden wishes that was all he did

 

There was no advantage dude. None. You know why the rams lost to the pats? Cause warner stunk.

[jad]

The NFL is loaded with guys who have committed crimes. Sometimes violent crimes. They are still in the league. And being cheered. I think the Sox will beat the Astros . But if they don't , you can be sure there will be accusations of cheating. That's just how it is.

 

Maybe check the various surveys that have been done on this. The arrest rate for NFL players is lower than that of the general population for that age group.

[Hugh2]

Maybe check the various surveys that have been done on this. The arrest rate for NFL players is lower than that of the general population for that age group.

 

Do you think this is a function of NFL players being model citizens? or do you think it might have something to do with the fact that they have money, and people with even more money than them who are billionaires have a vested interest in them staying out of trouble? Remember Chris Carters "you need a fall guy" comment? Arrest rate doesn't mean someone hasn't committed a crime. Dudes, murder, rape, steal, and assault people all the time and never go to jail for it.

[jad]

Do you think this is a function of NFL players being model citizens? or do you think it might have something to do with the fact that they have money, and people with even more money than them who are billionaires have a vested interest in them staying out of trouble? Remember Chris Carters "you need a fall guy" comment? Arrest rate doesn't mean someone hasn't committed a crime. Dudes, murder, rape, steal, and assault people all the time and never go to jail for it.

 

Ha ha! Keep going, you're on a roll. You've clearly 'done your research.'

[Bellhorn04]

Do you think this is a function of NFL players being model citizens? or do you think it might have something to do with the fact that they have money, and people with even more money than them who are billionaires have a vested interest in them staying out of trouble? Remember Chris Carters "you need a fall guy" comment? Arrest rate doesn't mean someone hasn't committed a crime. Dudes, murder, rape, steal, and assault people all the time and never go to jail for it.

 

If you're claiming that NFL players murder people all the time and don't go to jail for it, you have to name some names. I can think of Ray Lewis as a possible candidate, but who else in recent times?

[Bellhorn04]

Compared to the Sox vs the Rays, all other Div Series have been boooring

 

Maybe you'd feel differently if you were a Braves fan rather than a Red Sox fan though.

[Hugh2]

Ha ha! Keep going, you're on a roll. You've clearly 'done your research.'

 

Spare me the snide comment like I'm a flat earther, birds aren't real, anti-vaxxer. What I'm claiming isn't unreasonable and generally out in the open. Is it a conspiracy theory that the NFL hide its knowledge of Ray Rice beating women unconscious? There is literally Chris Carter on VIDEO telling people they need a "fall guy" to take the blame for actions they take. A 12 YEAR VETERAN of the NFL coaching up young players on staying out of trouble not by being role models but by taking manuevers to AVOID consequences. s*** like this happens all the time and it's systematic. I played sports in college, I've literally had coaches get me out of trouble and get me out of an arrest, you don't think this happens at the PRO level??? You don't think people with money who are connected and can hire good lawyers are less likely to face legal consequences? whether they're an athlete or not. Don't mock me like that's on par with some cookoo who thinks crab people murdered JFK. Want to have a conversation that's fine but get out of here with the weak A** bravado and make actual arguments.

[Hugh2]

If you're claiming that NFL players murder people all the time and don't go to jail for it, you have to name some names. I can think of Ray Lewis as a possible candidate, but who else in recent times?

 

That's a far stretch from what I'm saying. I was very specific to say "dudes" and not NFL players to exemplify that there's a difference between being a convict and committing a crime and getting away with it. Do peopl actually think that there is 100% zero difference in the odds of going to jail for your crimes if you're a poor man vs. a millionaire who is well connected and can hire a lawyer?

Edited October 13, 2021 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[Hugh2]

FTR -

 

I do not believe and I do not want my comments to get twisted to mean that I think NFL players are more likely to commit crimes. I just don't believe they're any less likely.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Astros will be formidable. Both teams can hit, and both teams' pitching can be hit.

 

Here's the reason Houston has to be favored in a best-of-seven: Defensive Efficiency, which bb-ref defines as "percentage of balls in play converted into outs" -- according to this metric, the Astros are the best fielding team in the AL... while the Red Sox are the worst in the majors.

 

Teams can have one great game playing for the Wild Card -- or even one great ALDS weekend -- but such discrepancies tend to get exposed and exploited in a longer series.

 

Hopefully, the Sox can stay focused on D (and hit the cutoff!).

[Bellhorn04]

That's a far stretch from what I'm saying. I was very specific to say "dudes" and not NFL players to exemplify that there's a difference between being a convict and committing a crime and getting away with it. Do peopl actually think that there is 100% zero difference in the odds of going to jail for your crimes if you're a poor man vs. a millionaire who is well connected and can hire a lawyer?

 

I didn't think that's what you meant, I just needed some clarification.

 

You're right of course about the money being a big difference-maker in avoiding jail time.

 

The only that's changed a bit is that if a famous athlete or other famous person is accused of something criminal or even non-criminal but offensive now, online media and social media will be all over it, and your career might instantly be over. As with Deshaun Watson, Trevor Bauer, Jon Gruden et al.

[mvp 78]

I thought you were a Jets’ fan?

 

That was just a phase.

[mvp 78]

As for the rest of the post, you guys really lost the plot here.

[Thunder]

I thought you were a Jets’ fan?

 

I am both. And I don't owe you or anybody else an explanation of how how that can work. People at work have been bothering me for weeks about it

[a700hitter]

We spent about $20M on Richards, Perez, Marwin, Andriese and Santana.

 

We could replace all of these players from within the system, so anything we spend to fill one or more of their slots could represent a "major addition," especially if spent on just 1-2 FAs.

 

Replacing Schwarber, Ottavino, Iggy, Shaw and maybe ERod won't be as easy, but they weren't cheap, last year, either. There's no reason to think we can't at least break even on these 4-5 players.

Kike, Schwarber and Sawamura were Bloom’s good acquisitions. The rest were bleh to yuk.

[Thunder]

As for the rest of the post, you guys really lost the plot here.

 

My fault. I'm sorry

[a700hitter]

I don't know why they got screwed with all of the day games anyway.

I love day baseball.

[Hugh2]

Anthony Davis did his job in Boston, and Robles was good down the stretch. Iglesias was a great post-deadline pick-up that filled an obvious depth need and Schwarber was the best offensive pick up for 1/3 of the price as Rizzo and Cruz.

 

 

Haters be damned.

[Bellhorn04]

Kike, Schwarber and Sawamura were Bloom’s good acquisitions. The rest were bleh to yuk.

 

Renfroe?

[Bellhorn04]

Anthony Davis did his job in Boston, and Robles was good down the stretch. Iglesias was a great post-deadline pick-up that filled an obvious depth need and Schwarber was the best offensive pick up for 1/3 of the price as Rizzo and Cruz.

 

Haters be damned.

 

Shaw has contributed as well. Actually had some pretty big hits.

[Hugh2]

Shaw has contributed as well. Actually had some pretty big hits.

 

Absolutely, excellent point.

[notin]

Shaw has contributed as well. Actually had some pretty big hits.

 

And Iglesias!

[notin]

Renfroe?

 

Arroyo, Verdugo and Whitlock as well...

[moonslav59]

I'd put Whitlock, Renfroe, Iggy, Shaw, Robles and Davis all above Sawamura as good Bloom additions since 2020's season end.

 

Pivetta and Arroyo stand out among those acquired during 2020.

[Hugh2]

I'd put Whitlock, Renfroe, Iggy, Shaw, Robles and Davis all above Sawamura as good Bloom additions since 2020's season end.

 

Pivetta and Arroyo stand out among those acquired during 2020.

 

Robles was great out of the bullpen down the stretch, I'd even put Austin Davis in there. Ignore the overall stat line, he was acquired to get lefties out and that's exactly what he did, he got lefties out. Wasn't his fault Cora left him in against righties and he got lit up.

[notin]

Robles was great out of the bullpen down the stretch, I'd even put Austin Davis in there. Ignore the overall stat line, he was acquired to get lefties out and that's exactly what he did, he got lefties out. Wasn't his fault Cora left him in against righties and he got lit up.

 

It's not really Cora's fault either, thanks to that new rule about facing 3 batters minimum.

 

Really, it makes the LOOGY a thing of the past. So while Davis did get lefties out, that's not exactly a role teams should be trying to strengthen anymore. So if one wants to argue Bloom maybe shouldn't be trying to get a guy solely to face LHH, since, you know, that rule was already in place, then, yes, one can look at Davis' overall stat line with distaste...

[notin]

Anthony Davis did his job in Boston, and Robles was good down the stretch. Iglesias was a great post-deadline pick-up that filled an obvious depth need and Schwarber was the best offensive pick up for 1/3 of the price as Rizzo and Cruz.

 

 

Haters be damned.

 

I think you mean Austin Davis. Anthony Davis is still in LA...

[Hugh2]

It's not really Cora's fault either, thanks to that new rule about facing 3 batters minimum.

 

Really, it makes the LOOGY a thing of the past. So while Davis did get lefties out, that's not exactly a role teams should be trying to strengthen anymore. So if one wants to argue Bloom maybe shouldn't be trying to get a guy solely to face LHH, since, you know, that rule was already in place, then, yes, one can look at Davis' overall stat line with distaste...

 

True, makes more sense against a lefty-heavy lineup, maybe force a team to either face a tough LOOGY, or take out a LH bat early in the game. Still, strategy involved but definitely less of a defined role.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Wondering about the Astros' pitching, now that their ALDS #1 starter, McCullers, may have arm problems. The start of June seems like forever ago when Boston lost 5 of 7 to Houston. The lasting memory from those pre-Sticky Stuff Ban days were the horizontal frisbees that broke five feet thrown by nearly every Astro starter.

 

In those head-to-heads, the Red Sox could only beat Greinke and Odorizzi but lost twice each to Framber Valdez and Luis Garcia (both were hit pretty hard by the White Sox this past week).

 

Make of this what you wish: The June Astros crushed Eovaldi (5 ER in 5.2 IP on 11 hits, 3 BBs) and ERod (6 ER in 4.2 IP on 6 hits, 3 BBs)... but were blanked by Martin Perez (0 runs in 7.2 shutout innings on 6 hits, 1 BB).

[sk7326]

I been one of cora’s biggest critics at times but the guy’s a heck of a manager who gives a s***.

 

He's a great manager - he served his time. But - it's a hanging curveball.