trade deadline

[a700hitter]

It doesn’t take a mind reader to know you’re not happy

I don't need to be a mind reader to know about the head trauma you have suffered.

[Nick]

I don't need to be a mind reader to know about the head trauma you have suffered.

 

I've changed my mind about the luxury tax.

 

I just think it's no big deal to go over the first threshold and get to $230M.

 

Penalties of 20%, 30% and then 42.5% equates to $4M, $6M and $8.5M.

 

Even at 42.5%, $8.5M on $230M payroll to me is insignificant.

[Nick]

Richards at $10M with enforcement of previous rule was an overpaid. I bet analytical people are all busy looking at the spin rate differentials.

[Bellhorn04]

I've changed my mind about the luxury tax.

 

I just think it's no big deal to go over the first threshold and get to $230M.

 

Penalties of 20%, 30% and then 42.5% equates to $4M, $6M and $8.5M.

 

Even at 42.5%, $8.5M on $230M payroll to me is insignificant.

 

Alex Speier wrote a good article about this stuff a year or two ago. He pointed out that there are now other financial penalties for going over the threshold. There's a clawback of revenue-sharing money that can add up to millions too. Plus there are some non-financial penalties. You'd really have to dive into the stuff to figure out all the costs.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Alex Speier wrote a good article about this stuff a year or two ago. He pointed out that there are now other financial penalties for going over the threshold. There's a clawback of revenue-sharing money that can add up to millions too. Plus there are some non-financial penalties. You'd really have to dive into the stuff to figure out all the costs.

 

Ya, I wouldn't be so concerned about the monetary penalties, but does part of that hit affect drafting or signing prospects? I can't remember exactly, but are fines taken directly from fund limits used for signing international free agents?

[dgalehouse]

Alex Speier wrote a good article about this stuff a year or two ago. He pointed out that there are now other financial penalties for going over the threshold. There's a clawback of revenue-sharing money that can add up to millions too. Plus there are some non-financial penalties. You'd really have to dive into the stuff to figure out all the costs.

 

Clawback? My God. Whatever happened to " keep it simple ?" Where did we go wrong?

[moonslav59]

Clawback? My God. Whatever happened to " keep it simple ?" Where did we go wrong?

 

Rich teams found ways to manipulate the system and stockpile comp picks.

[Nick]

Luxury Tax

 

I blame player's union. Rate of luxury tax payroll was no near close to the rate of revenue increase. (there was an article)

 

Obviously 2020/2021 was an outlier on revenue side.

 

When Yankees are staying below the cap something is not right. Win win for owners.

[dgalehouse]

I have no doubt that the owners are paying people to look for ways to save them money.

[Hugh2]

I have been in the process of moving my home of 32 years to another state. That process is complete. Good news for you douche bag, I'll be posting much more regularly.

 

Someone is all hot and bothered.

[notin]

I don't need to be a mind reader to know about the head trauma you have suffered.

 

See what I mean

[notin]

Richards at $10M with enforcement of previous rule was an overpaid. I bet analytical people are all busy looking at the spin rate differentials.

 

 

Well, they were right about spin rates. The next step is to distinguish real spin rates from artificial ones…

[Bellhorn04]

Well, they were right about spin rates. The next step is to distinguish real spin rates from artificial ones…

 

That should be easy enough now, since Manfred wiped everyone's balls clean.

[notin]

That should be easy enough now, since Manfred wiped everyone's balls clean.

 

And removed Spider Tack!!

[Kimmi]

The loyalty to Bloom is impressive . Almost as if he can do no wrong. Personally. I would like to see him actually win something first.

 

It's not really about any of the individual moves, some of which have worked out really well and others that haven't. For me, it's about his overall team building philosophy. I am 100% on board with that philosophy, so when he makes moves that I know are made with that long term sustainability in mind, I'm not going to fault him.

[Kimmi]

So still not impressed that a team many were saying would be lucky to win 75 games had won more than 60 before August?

 

Some people were just hoping for the team to be watchable. I think we all have to admit that we've exceeded that bar.

[Kimmi]

For whatever reason, the Sox did not improve the first base position and did not upgrade he starting pitching. Those are facts and the results have already begun to show up, as other teams did make improvements. Bloom is suggesting he did not wish to derail the long term objective of making the club consistently competitive. To do that he needed to maintain or imp-prove the strength in the minors and be mindful of the CBT. In effect we were willing to to sacrifice some marginal gain this season for some perceived improvement in future seasons. Some are critical of that approach as one never knows when we will be at the top of the division again. Others aren't critical and are of a mind the Sox didn't really have a strong chance of winning the WS this year anyway.

 

I think that it is a misperception that the FO did not make any key moves because they didn't think the Sox have a strong chance of winning the WS this year. As a fan who is non-critical of Bloom's trade deadline, I certainly don't think that the Sox don't have a strong chance of winning the WS this year. I just don't think the cost of some marginal gain was worth sacrificing the long term. Our team is good enough. Sale should be that huge boost that we're looking for.

 

We don't want to relive 2020.

[mvp 78]

I think that it is a misperception that the FO did not make any key moves because they didn't think the Sox have a strong chance of winning the WS this year. As a fan who is non-critical of Bloom's trade deadline, I certainly don't think that the Sox don't have a strong chance of winning the WS this year. I just don't think the cost of some marginal gain was worth sacrificing the long term. Our team is good enough. Sale should be that huge boost that we're looking for.

 

We don't want to relive 2020.

 

The only retort that could make sense is that maybe they could have used some low ceiling MiLB guys (Wilson, Rosario, et al) to bring in a few extra pieces. The DFA'd Wilson and the Mariners gobbled him right up. There was some value there apparently. Maybe he could have been able to swing a deal? Maybe he tried and got no bites?

 

To me, it seems like the mandate was to stay under the cap this year no matter what. It was less about giving up the prospects and more about pushing the luxury tax back another year. Seems like his hands may have been tied? Maybe they are just punting on the cap until the new CBA is approved?

[moonslav59]

I think that it is a misperception that the FO did not make any key moves because they didn't think the Sox have a strong chance of winning the WS this year. As a fan who is non-critical of Bloom's trade deadline, I certainly don't think that the Sox don't have a strong chance of winning the WS this year. I just don't think the cost of some marginal gain was worth sacrificing the long term. Our team is good enough. Sale should be that huge boost that we're looking for.

 

We don't want to relive 2020.

 

I agree, but I do think teams are more likely to go all in near the middle or end of their window and not near the start of one, which is where we are, right now.

[Bellhorn04]

The only retort that could make sense is that maybe they could have used some low ceiling MiLB guys (Wilson, Rosario, et al) to bring in a few extra pieces. The DFA'd Wilson and the Mariners gobbled him right up. There was some value there apparently. Maybe he could have been able to swing a deal? Maybe he tried and got no bites?

 

To me, it seems like the mandate was to stay under the cap this year no matter what. It was less about giving up the prospects and more about pushing the luxury tax back another year. Seems like his hands may have been tied? Maybe they are just punting on the cap until the new CBA is approved?

 

I think that's the most question marks I've ever seen in one of your posts.

[Kimmi]

The only retort that could make sense is that maybe they could have used some low ceiling MiLB guys (Wilson, Rosario, et al) to bring in a few extra pieces. The DFA'd Wilson and the Mariners gobbled him right up. There was some value there apparently. Maybe he could have been able to swing a deal? Maybe he tried and got no bites?

 

To me, it seems like the mandate was to stay under the cap this year no matter what. It was less about giving up the prospects and more about pushing the luxury tax back another year. Seems like his hands may have been tied? Maybe they are just punting on the cap until the new CBA is approved?

 

I think that staying under the cap was most definitely a priority, not only for Henry, but for Bloom as well. I am confident that Bloom looked into pretty much every possible scenario and did the best that he could, given his desire not hurt the future of this team. Perhaps he could have picked up a Heaney type pitcher. Would that be an improvement to what we already have?

 

Right or wrong, I think the FO is banking on Sale. He may not be vintage Chris Sale, but he should be a strong improvement.

[Kimmi]

I agree, but I do think teams are more likely to go all in near the middle or end of their window and not near the start of one, which is where we are, right now.

 

I don't disagree. Again, we are technically in a rebuilding phase. You don't go all in when you're trying to rebuild.

[mvp 78]

I think that staying under the cap was most definitely a priority, not only for Henry, but for Bloom as well. I am confident that Bloom looked into pretty much every possible scenario and did the best that he could, given his desire not hurt the future of this team. Perhaps he could have picked up a Heaney type pitcher. Would that be an improvement to what we already have?

 

Right or wrong, I think the FO is banking on Sale. He may not be vintage Chris Sale, but he should be a strong improvement.

 

Andrew Heaney doesn't even help the present of this team.

[moonslav59]

I don't disagree. Again, we are technically in a rebuilding phase. You don't go all in when you're trying to rebuild.

 

Yes, and lining up the tax future was a factor.

[Kimmi]

Andrew Heaney doesn't even help the present of this team.

 

That's what I'm saying.

[mvp 78]

That's what I'm saying.

 

Starting pitching is hard to come by. I was hoping for a quality middle reliever. I'm not sure we got one.

[Kimmi]

 

Yes, and lining up the tax future was a factor.

 

Exactly. As you have said many times, avoiding the tax line this year is not about this year, it's about the future implications of it.

[mvp 78]

 

Yes, and lining up the tax future was a factor.

 

Why if you don't even know what the CBA will look like? Why wouldn't he throw his weight around this offseason and get rid of the luxury tax?

[Bellhorn04]

Why if you don't even know what the CBA will look like? Why wouldn't he throw his weight around this offseason and get rid of the luxury tax?

 

Is there any reason to think there will be significant changes to the tax system? I think the only changes the players can really push for are higher thresholds.

[moonslav59]

Why if you don't even know what the CBA will look like? Why wouldn't he throw his weight around this offseason and get rid of the luxury tax?

 

If it was just up to Bloom and Henry, maybe.

 

My guess, there will be some sort of penalty for spending big.