2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[notin]

Gettys whiffs more than both- way more than Chavis.

 

Like I said, he struggles to make contact. That’s why the Padres keep repeatedly exposing him..

[a700hitter]

During the summer, the Red Sox discussed a trade for Kris Bryant. Interesting.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/11/red-sox-cubs-discussed-kris-bryant-trade-over-summer.html

[a700hitter]

[h=1]Red Sox Interested In J.A. Happ[/h]By Connor Byrne | November 23, 2020 at 10:01pm CDT

The Red Sox are showing interest in free-agent left-hander J.A. Happ, Jon Morosi of MLB Networktweets. They join the Angels, Rangers and Blue Jays as teams known to be eyeing Happ early this offseason.

[jacksonianmarch]

If you need a guy to come up small when you need him the most, Happ is your guy

[notin]

Rather have Porcello...

[notin]

Although I wouldn’t mind if Bloom walked away from this free agent SP class altogether and just spent money on the bullpen (and maybe OF or 2b). Get the starters via trade

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Although I wouldn’t mind if Bloom walked away from this free agent SP class altogether and just spent money on the bullpen (and maybe OF or 2b). Get the starters via trade

 

Yup, why would we want any of three aging arms the Yankees are walking away from because they couldn't win a pennant with them? Will old fans return to NESN and new fans emerge if the Red Sox sign a couple mediocre starting pitchers just so they can field an actual MLB team in '21?

 

Trading for an elite starter like Snell may also prove too costly in prospects, as it looks like most of the actual contenders would be in the bidding. Bloom's best bet going forward will be to use his talent radar to target and deal for young, as-yet-unproven arms.

[moonslav59]

If you need a guy to come up small when you need him the most, Happ is your guy

 

That's what they said about Price, too.

 

Small sample sizes have small meanings, Jacko. You know this to be true.

 

(Not that I'm high on Happ- I'm not.)

[notin]

Yup, why would we want any of three aging arms the Yankees are walking away from because they couldn't win a pennant with them? Will old fans return to NESN and new fans emerge if the Red Sox sign a couple mediocre starting pitchers just so they can field an actual MLB team in '21?

 

Trading for an elite starter like Snell may also prove too costly in prospects, as it looks like most of the actual contenders would be in the bidding. Bloom's best bet going forward will be to use his talent radar to target and deal for young, as-yet-unproven arms.

 

Unless you sign Bauer, the remaining SP are all aging or mediocre or both. Grabbing an innings-eater like Porcello is probably about the best way to go.

 

On the trade front, I think the best places to focus are Pittsburgh (Taillon? Musgrove?) or Cleveland (McKenzie? Civale?). And to a lesser degree, Colorado (Gray? Freeland?), but that’s unlikely because Birdich has a reputation for massively overvaluing his players.

 

Another possibility might be Detroit’s Matthew Boyd. He’s readily available and it’s possible/likely they’ve stopped asking for the world plus for him. But he isn’t a game-changer. Improvement? Yes. Game-changer? No...

[notin]

That's what they said about Price, too.

 

Small sample sizes have small meanings, Jacko. You know this to be true.

 

(Not that I'm high on Happ- I'm not.)

 

Happ would need to sign for a negative AAV for me to get excited about him. Even if he offered to pitch for free, I’d still be hesitant. Is what Happ has left any better than Mazza at this point?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Unless you sign Bauer, the remaining SP are all aging or mediocre or both. Grabbing an innings-eater like Porcello is probably about the best way to go.

 

On the trade front, I think the best places to focus are Pittsburgh (Taillon? Musgrove?) or Cleveland (McKenzie? Civale?). And to a lesser degree, Colorado (Gray? Freeland?), but that’s unlikely because Birdich has a reputation for massively overvaluing his players.

 

Another possibility might be Detroit’s Matthew Boyd. He’s readily available and it’s possible/likely they’ve stopped asking for the world plus for him. But he isn’t a game-changer. Improvement? Yes. Game-changer? No...

 

Meanwhile, Atlanta just signed Morton and Smyly to one-year deals for a combined 26 mil. The Braves are in a different place -- serious about going for it. They now have eight major league starting pitchers.

[notin]

Meanwhile, Atlanta just signed Morton and Smyly to one-year deals for a combined 26 mil. The Braves are in a different place -- serious about going for it. They now have eight major league starting pitchers.

 

Well, Smyly is a questionable source of maybe 25 innings. And I suspect either Wright or Wilson will be swapped for Kris Bryant or some other 3b.

 

Unless the Sox want to get in their with a Dalbec trade offer...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Well, Smyly is a questionable source of maybe 25 innings. And I suspect either Wright or Wilson will be swapped for Kris Bryant or some other 3b.

 

Unless the Sox want to get in their with a Dalbec trade offer...

 

Doesn't make sense to me, even though Tomase says it will make Boston "relevant" again. Bryant as a full-time leftfielder in Fenway (as proposed in the articles) would be another JD Martinez; a home run hitter and below-average outfielder with an above-average salary.

 

Plus, haven't we learned our lesson converting sluggers to the pasture with Hanley? If we really want more power, and not have to give up prospects, Marcell Ozuna will just cost money.

[moonslav59]

Doesn't make sense to me, even though Tomase says it will make Boston "relevant" again. Bryant as a full-time leftfielder in Fenway (as proposed in the articles) would be another JD Martinez; a home run hitter and below-average outfielder with an above-average salary.

 

Plus, haven't we learned our lesson converting sluggers to the pasture with Hanley? If we really want more power, and not have to give up prospects, Marcell Ozuna will just cost money.

 

Agreed, and a reasonable extension would have to be part of any deal.

 

Weird no talk of moving Devers to 1B to make room for Bryant at 3B.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Agreed, and a reasonable extension would have to be part of any deal.

 

Weird no talk of moving Devers to 1B to make room for Bryant at 3B.

 

I just don't see the latter as an offseason decision. It would have to be a gradual transition for a guy like Devers, with lots of reps and practice games in Spring Training -- and a lot of TLC from Cora and the coaches. But if the Sox -- and Rafie -- struggle again through '21, expect to see some shifts around the diamond for a lot of guys.

[moonslav59]

I just don't see the latter as an offseason decision. It would have to be a gradual transition for a guy like Devers, with lots of reps and practice games in Spring Training -- and a lot of TLC from Cora and the coaches. But if the Sox -- and Rafie -- struggle again through '21, expect to see some shifts around the diamond for a lot of guys.

 

I don't think we plan to move Devers to 1B just yet, either.

 

I used to think it was an interesting and maybe worthy idea, but I've seen some extended time frames of plus play by Devers at 3B and very quick reflexes.

 

I'm not for acquiring Bryant or any other 3Bman. Getting Bryant to play LF makes little sense, too.,

[Bellhorn04]

Doesn't make sense to me, even though Tomase says it will make Boston "relevant" again. Bryant as a full-time leftfielder in Fenway (as proposed in the articles) would be another JD Martinez; a home run hitter and below-average outfielder with an above-average salary.

 

Plus, haven't we learned our lesson converting sluggers to the pasture with Hanley? If we really want more power, and not have to give up prospects, Marcell Ozuna will just cost money.

 

Tomase seems to think like a fan. The idea of trading for one year of Bryant and sticking him in left field is beyond silly.

[moonslav59]

Tomase seems to think like a fan. The idea of trading for one year of Bryant and sticking him in left field is beyond silly.

 

Exactly.

 

The Sox are not looking for one year players.

[Tedballgame]

Tomase seems to think like a fan. The idea of trading for one year of Bryant and sticking him in left field is beyond silly.

 

Tomase is a hack. He hates the Patriots and the Red Sox. He sucks.

[Tedballgame]

If you need a guy to come up small when you need him the most, Happ is your guy

 

Many Yankees have come up small the last 11 years.

[Tedballgame]

[h=1]Red Sox Interested In J.A. Happ[/h]By Connor Byrne | November 23, 2020 at 10:01pm CDT

The Red Sox are showing interest in free-agent left-hander J.A. Happ, Jon Morosi of MLB Networktweets. They join the Angels, Rangers and Blue Jays as teams known to be eyeing Happ early this offseason.

 

I'd rather get Henry Rowengartner.

[notin]

Doesn't make sense to me, even though Tomase says it will make Boston "relevant" again. Bryant as a full-time leftfielder in Fenway (as proposed in the articles) would be another JD Martinez; a home run hitter and below-average outfielder with an above-average salary.

 

Plus, haven't we learned our lesson converting sluggers to the pasture with Hanley? If we really want more power, and not have to give up prospects, Marcell Ozuna will just cost money.

 

I’m thinking more that the Sox might swap Dalbec for Wright and/or Wilson, not Bryant..,

[notin]

Doesn't make sense to me, even though Tomase says it will make Boston "relevant" again. Bryant as a full-time leftfielder in Fenway (as proposed in the articles) would be another JD Martinez; a home run hitter and below-average outfielder with an above-average salary.

 

Plus, haven't we learned our lesson converting sluggers to the pasture with Hanley? If we really want more power, and not have to give up prospects, Marcell Ozuna will just cost money.

 

Don’t forget about Yasiel Puig!!

[moonslav59]

I’m thinking more that the Sox might swap Dalbec for Wright and/or Wilson, not Bryant..,

 

How about ...

 

Dalbec & Chatham (or Song) for Wilson, Wright, Langeliers and Inciarte?

[Bellhorn04]

Don’t forget about Yasiel Puig!!

 

You're in a fan club with one member.

[notin]

How about ...

 

Dalbec & Chatham (or Song) for Wilson, Wright, Langeliers and Inciarte?

 

The problem with Chatham and Chavis on BTV is that just because they have value doesn’t mean anyone wants them.

 

I know not every combination works out on BTV, but if the Sox traded Dalbec to the Braves for any two of Kyle Wright, Bryse Wilson and Kyle Muller, I’d think it a smart move...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

How about ...

 

Dalbec & Chatham (or Song) for Wilson, Wright, Langeliers and Inciarte?

 

I'm keeping Song. He was the Sox pitching prospect closest to making the majors when he went to flight school; he's not Anderson Espinoza. Another year away from professional pitching will probably set him back developmentally, but I still have more confidence in a young arm that opted out this past Covid summer bouncing back, rather than an old one like Price.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Don’t forget about Yasiel Puig!!

 

I know, he just might be a cheaper Ozuna. I remember Puig well from the '18 World Series, but oddly, his most Similar Batter on bref is Brad Hawpe, who once hit a home run vs. the Red Sox in another World Series that I have no recollection of whatsoever.

 

... the homer, not the Series.

Edited November 25, 2020 by 5GoldGloves:OF,75
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[notin]

You're in a fan club with one member.

 

Two members, if you count Bloom.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/11/yasiel-puig-looking-to-return-to-majors-in-2021.html

[Hugh2]

I'm keeping Song. He was the Sox pitching prospect closest to making the majors when he went to flight school; he's not Anderson Espinoza. Another year away from professional pitching will probably set him back developmentally, but I still have more confidence in a young arm that opted out this past Covid summer bouncing back, rather than an old one like Price.

 

I share your enthusiasm for Song, but Wright is closer to impacting a big league club and may have a higher ceiling as well.

 

Doesn't matter, I don't Song even gets you close to Wright.