Will The MLB Suspend The 2020 season

[mvp 78]

Also, Blake Snell: "No, I'm not splitting no revenue," 'I'm risking my life'

 

Poor guy. If he has to take a 50% cut for only playing half the season, then take an additional 33% cut, he will only make roughly $2.5 mil this year before taxes, for approximately 4 months worth of work.

 

Sharing revenue isn't the same as a 50% cut. The players already agreed to a 50% cut.

[mvp 78]

From Jim Palmer in an email (Subject: Pettiness) to Shaughnessy:

 

"The players union just will never get it. People dying, out of work, can’t pay their mortgage, no Senior proms, MLB abbreviated draft to disrupt lifelong dreams, and people need a diversion, and Tony Clark doesn’t want to set a precedent! Full pay for games with no fans! The players know it’s all about revenue — less $, less pay and be glad you have a job. Otherwise, stay home and drive your wife crazy!''

 

Spot on Palmer.

 

Why do you hate the players so much?

 

Also, who cares about senior prom?

[Kimmi]

Sharing revenue isn't the same as a 50% cut. The players already agreed to a 50% cut.

 

I get that. The additional 33% cut would be from revenue sharing.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Also, Blake Snell: "No, I'm not splitting no revenue," 'I'm risking my life'

 

Poor guy. If he has to take a 50% cut for only playing half the season, then take an additional 33% cut, he will only make roughly $2.5 mil this year before taxes, for approximately 4 months worth of work.

 

Unusual times call for unusual measures... even compromise. Does the baseball players union somehow fear owners will be able to turn them back into what Curt Flood called "well-paid slaves" before free agency? I totally understand if it's a warehouse or processing plant and workers fear for their safety, but if this latest MLB dispute is more about convictions, then it's about as sensible as people suing governors during a health crisis for ruling it's non-essential to buy weapons that can't really shoot Covid droplets out of the air.

[Kimmi]

Why do you hate the players so much?

 

Also, who cares about senior prom?

 

I don't hate players.

 

I do not have any sympathy for any millionaires complaining about having to take a cut in pay when there are so many people who can't even afford food, not to mention the number of people dying and all of the other things that people are dealing with. These guys don't even need the money.

 

Seniors care about senior prom.

[Kimmi]

Unusual times call for unusual measures... even compromise. Does the baseball players union somehow fear owners will be able to turn them back into what Curt Flood called "well-paid slaves" before free agency? I totally understand if it's a warehouse or processing plant and workers fear for their safety, but if this latest MLB dispute is more about convictions, then it's about as sensible as people suing governors during a health crisis for ruling it's non-essential to buy weapons that can't really shoot Covid droplets out of the air.

 

As Palmer noted in his email subject, the argument over money is petty. It would be really great if all the players would donate their unneeded 2020 salaries to front line workers, food banks, etc., the people who really need it.

 

Yes, this is a one time compromise in unusual times. Owners are not trying to make this an ongoing thing. I'm not excusing owners either. They need to be willing to compromise also.

[Kimmi]

@AP

BREAKING: Nearly 3 million workers seek jobless aid, raising total layoffs since virus struck to 36 million.

 

But let's complain about only making $2.5 mil for 4 months of work, while sitting in our million dollar mansion with all of the conveniences that money can buy.

[mvp 78]

I get that. The additional 33% cut would be from revenue sharing.

 

The players don't want revenue sharing at all because they believe that pushes them closer to a cap.

[mvp 78]

But let's complain about only making $2.5 mil for 4 months of work, while sitting in our million dollar mansion with all of the conveniences that money can buy.

 

Snell later sent a text message to the Tampa Bay Times and said that he realizes his comments came off as greedy, but that “I mean, honestly, it’s just scary to risk my life to get COVID-19 as well as not knowing and spreading it to others . . . . I just want everyone to be healthy and get back to our normal lives ’cause I know I miss mine!” He added, “I’m just saying, it doesn’t make sense for me to lose all of that money and then go play. And then be on lockdown, not around my family, not around the people I love, and getting paid way the hell less — and then the risk of injury runs every time I step on the field.”

 

I agree with him 100%.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Snell later sent a text message to the Tampa Bay Times and said that he realizes his comments came off as greedy, but that “I mean, honestly, it’s just scary to risk my life to get COVID-19 as well as not knowing and spreading it to others . . . . I just want everyone to be healthy and get back to our normal lives ’cause I know I miss mine!” He added, “I’m just saying, it doesn’t make sense for me to lose all of that money and then go play. And then be on lockdown, not around my family, not around the people I love, and getting paid way the hell less — and then the risk of injury runs every time I step on the field.”

 

I agree with him 100%.

 

I think this represents similar fears and reluctance of workers in -- and patrons of -- businesses all over the world right now. At the same time, it's appalling there are actually people in charge who counter with "low mortality rate" as a reason to open back up certain industries.. like even schools -- nice job, Rand Paul -- at a time when an increasing number of children are showing complications from Covid (I hope that all here agree that any child mortality is too high).

[mvp 78]

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1260918683184050177

 

^^^ Good baseball content

[Thunder]

I don't hate players.

 

I do not have any sympathy for any millionaires complaining about having to take a cut in pay when there are so many people who can't even afford food, not to mention the number of people dying and all of the other things that people are dealing with. These guys don't even need the money.

 

Seniors care about senior prom.

 

I didn't. I skipped both of my proms

[jad]

Then why don't the owners just give the players a higher %? It's not like those billionaires need the money.

 

The players are fine with taking a pay cut. They are fine with a prorated salary. They just don't want the terms the ownership put forward. They'd take half of their salary to play half of the games.

 

The players don't want revenue sharing at all because they believe that pushes them closer to a cap.

 

That for sure. Also, although the owners in their offices are cavalier about a few players getting this, if you are a professional athlete, even a recovery from this could mean the end of your career. (I can't be the only one here who has close friends who went through ICU care and weeks in the hospital, who claim they will never be the same again). As long as the owners are looking to use this to their advantage, there is no reason for players to capitulate unless they absolutely need the money. Also, for the owners to advance this particular proposal (one the players have always rejected out of hand) now, does not bode well for the coming CBA.

[mvp 78]

I didn't. I skipped both of my proms

 

I went to a Red Sox game instead. Billy Hatcher stole home.

[mvp 78]

https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-1994-04-23-9404230561-story.html

 

California starter Chuck Finley walked Hatcher to open the seventh, he moved to second on a wild pitch and went to third on an infield out. With Naehring at the plate, Hatcher started thinking about making the dash for the plate.

 

"I wasn't going to go with Timmy up, especially after they threw over to third," Hatcher said. "After Timmy struck out, with Mo hitting, I was going to give him a couple of pitches to hit. But Finley wasn't watching me.

 

"Even when it got to 3-and-1, [Finley] still hadn't looked at me."

 

Finley disputed that, saying he saw Hatcher out of the corner of his eye. But it was a weak defense. Hatcher took an aggressive lead and never stopped.

 

"I was in the dugout, looking right down the third-base line," Harris said. "There was Hatch and then the next thing I knew, he was three-quarters of the way to home."

 

Vaughn had no idea what Hatcher had in mind.

 

"He didn't give me any kind of sign," Vaughn said. "The first I knew what he was doing was when I saw this big blue head coming at me. I wanted to stay in the batter's box, not to create any interference, but to distract the catcher."

 

Hatcher said, "I didn't want to tip it off. When I came down the line and made eye contact with Mo, his eyes got real big and I just prayed to God he wouldn't swing."

 

Finley's pitch was outside for ball four. Seeing that, Hatcher slid toward the middle of the plate and just beat the tag by catcher Greg Myers.

 

"That's a gutsy play with a lefthander at the plate and it's an especially gutsy play with Mo Vaughn at the plate," manager Butch Hobson said.

 

What really happened was a fight broke out in the stands behind 1b. Finley lost his concentration and looked away from the batter and into the stands to see the commotion. Hatcher bolted the second Finley's head looked away from the plate. My guess is that Finley didn't want to look like a dumbass for being more concerned with the fans than Mo Vaughn at home plate and hatcher on 3b.

 

I was on the 3b line so I saw both the fight and Finley stare off into the stands.

[Elktonnick]

From Jim Palmer in an email (Subject: Pettiness) to Shaughnessy:

 

"The players union just will never get it. People dying, out of work, can’t pay their mortgage, no Senior proms, MLB abbreviated draft to disrupt lifelong dreams, and people need a diversion, and Tony Clark doesn’t want to set a precedent! Full pay for games with no fans! The players know it’s all about revenue — less $, less pay and be glad you have a job. Otherwise, stay home and drive your wife crazy!''

 

Spot on Palmer.

 

The players petty selfishness is the surest way to kill the goose who lays the golden egg. I am sure there are at least two or three franchises who may not survive this crisis.

[jad]

Yup. As you can see from these posts, when the bosses go to war against the workers, your average American inevitably sides with the bosses.

[mvp 78]

Yup. As you can see from these posts, when the bosses go to war against the workers, your average American inevitably sides with the bosses.

 

^^^

 

Player gets his salary reduced to 25% while playing 50% of a season, can't see his family and can have his career ended on one play. If the compromise is some players opt out of playing this year, the owners will lap it up as they'll get the same revenue with a reduced payroll cost.

[notin]

So apparently Blake Snell is out at pro-rated pay

[mvp 78]

So apparently Blake Snell is out at pro-rated pay

 

Not prorated, he's out at revenue share.

[Slasher9]

IMO these games should be played for free.

[Thunder]

IMO these games should be played for free.

 

I wouldn't mind that

[mvp 78]

I wouldn't mind that

 

You don't even want baseball back though?

[Thunder]

You don't even want baseball back though?

 

So?

[Kimmi]

Snell later sent a text message to the Tampa Bay Times and said that he realizes his comments came off as greedy, but that “I mean, honestly, it’s just scary to risk my life to get COVID-19 as well as not knowing and spreading it to others . . . . I just want everyone to be healthy and get back to our normal lives ’cause I know I miss mine!” He added, “I’m just saying, it doesn’t make sense for me to lose all of that money and then go play. And then be on lockdown, not around my family, not around the people I love, and getting paid way the hell less — and then the risk of injury runs every time I step on the field.”

 

I agree with him 100%.

 

I'm calling BS on that statement. If he is that concerned about the health risks, then he should simply say that he's not willing to play because he doesn't want to take the risks. Period. Making it about money is just a terrible look.

 

Let me clarify my position here. I'm not opposed to the players getting the money over the owners. I'm not opposed to the owners wanting to split the revenues. Frankly, I don't really care who gets the money. As I said, they should all donate it to people who really need it. What I'm opposed to is the players and the owners (millionaires and billionaires) bickering over money when other people can't afford food for their families.

[Kimmi]

Snell later sent a text message to the Tampa Bay Times and said that he realizes his comments came off as greedy, but that “I mean, honestly, it’s just scary to risk my life to get COVID-19 as well as not knowing and spreading it to others . . . . I just want everyone to be healthy and get back to our normal lives ’cause I know I miss mine!” He added, “I’m just saying, it doesn’t make sense for me to lose all of that money and then go play. And then be on lockdown, not around my family, not around the people I love, and getting paid way the hell less — and then the risk of injury runs every time I step on the field.”

 

I agree with him 100%.

 

Also, baseball players 'working conditions' will be 100 times safer than those working the front lines.

[Kimmi]

I think this represents similar fears and reluctance of workers in -- and patrons of -- businesses all over the world right now. At the same time, it's appalling there are actually people in charge who counter with "low mortality rate" as a reason to open back up certain industries.. like even schools -- nice job, Rand Paul -- at a time when an increasing number of children are showing complications from Covid (I hope that all here agree that any child mortality is too high).

 

I have heard a lot of stories about medical workers or front line workers who either sleep in their cars or in their garages because they are afraid of infecting their families. I heard of a grocery store clerk who is a high school senior who moved out from his parents' house and hasn't seen them in months because one of his parents is high risk.

 

I heard a story of a nurse who quit her paid position at a hospital in her hometown, moved to NYC, has been living out of a hotel, and is volunteering there for a couple of months to help out NYC with their overwhelming number of hospitalizations. She is not getting paid, and she has not seen her kids in 2 months.

 

The stories like these go on and on and on.

 

Blake Snell needs to get a clue.

[Kimmi]

I didn't. I skipped both of my proms

 

That's fine, but believe me, many seniors do. And they care about missing out on marching in a graduation ceremony, and about all of the other things that go along with senior year.

[Kimmi]

The players petty selfishness is the surest way to kill the goose who lays the golden egg. I am sure there are at least two or three franchises who may not survive this crisis.

 

I don't feel sorry for the owners either. I just have a low tolerance for the rich and the famous acting so greedy and entitled. Even more so when the world is fighting a pandemic.

[Kimmi]

So apparently Blake Snell is out at pro-rated pay

 

I hope he does sit out. I'm sure someone else is willing to take his place.