Will The MLB Suspend The 2020 season

[mvp 78]

If they do the short season, will their reset attempt count?

 

Yup.

[Kimmi]

Then why don't the owners just give the players a higher %? It's not like those billionaires need the money.

 

The players are fine with taking a pay cut. They are fine with a prorated salary. They just don't want the terms the ownership put forward. They'd take half of their salary to play half of the games.

 

As I said previously, the owners need to be willing to compromise as well.

[Kimmi]

Reading your post, I'm wondering if this was the owners' strategy... to give them pre-emptive public support as they prepare for another CBA war in Dec '21...

 

(It sucks these days that I can't help suspecting people in power with big business interests to be more considerate of the health of employees)

 

I would not put it past the owners to have a couple of ulterior motives in letting this play out in the media.

[dgalehouse]

The owners and the players fighting each other right now is not good for the game , the fans or the country. To say the least . If that is how it's going to be , just call the season off .

[Thunder]

The owners and the players fighting each other right now is not good for the game , the fans or the country. To say the least . If that is how it's going to be , just call the season off .

 

I've been a proponent of no baseball in 2020 since day 1. Don't ruin the game; just don't play. Save the integrity

[oldtimer]

As I said previously, the owners need to be willing to compromise as well.

 

Whats going on is known as negotiations. Not unusual that each side will use all the tatics available to them.

[oldtimer]

I've been a proponent of no baseball in 2020 since day 1. Don't ruin the game; just don't play. Save the integrity

 

Some kind of watered down baseball being played is good for the Sox in that our CBT will be reset and the Mookie/Price trade won't hurt us as much. It will be hard to see the game in any serious vein but it probably will go on without fans present.

[mvp 78]

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/05/13/mlb-has-not-yet-submitted-health-and-safety-revenue-sharing-plan-to-players/

 

Owners have not yet submitted the entire plan to players.

 

That’s according to Ken Rosenthal’s report in The Athletic today which says that MLB “soon plans to present the union with an 80-page document outlining potential health and safety protocols for the COVID-19 pandemic, sources said.”

[notin]

The players and owners fight about money even when there is no pandemic. This is about as surprising as the sun coming up...

[Thunder]

Some kind of watered down baseball being played is good for the Sox in that our CBT will be reset and the Mookie/Price trade won't hurt us as much. It will be hard to see the game in any serious vein but it probably will go on without fans present.

 

I get that. I'm just personally not interested in baseball right now. Why try to rush it back with a new structure that is a shell of how the game should be played? I think it would be better to not play at all than to play with truncated rules/schedules. But that's just my opinion

[mvp 78]

I get that. I'm just personally not interested in baseball right now. Why try to rush it back with a new structure that is a shell of how the game should be played? I think it would be better to not play at all than to play with truncated rules/schedules. But that's just my opinion

 

How is it a shell of how it should be played? The schedules have changed over the course of time and it never really ruined baseball. Was baseball prior to interleague play not real baseball? Is having NL teams use the DH not real baseball?

 

I just want to know which part of the changes are frustrating for you.

[notin]

How is it a shell of how it should be played? The schedules have changed over the course of time and it never really ruined baseball. Was baseball prior to interleague play not real baseball? Is having NL teams use the DH not real baseball?

 

I just want to know which part of the changes are frustrating for you.

 

The only shell of its former self is the Sox pitching staff. Still, I’m interested, and none of these changes dissuade me. In fact, I’ve wanted the DH in the NL for years now..,

[Thunder]

How is it a shell of how it should be played? The schedules have changed over the course of time and it never really ruined baseball. Was baseball prior to interleague play not real baseball? Is having NL teams use the DH not real baseball?

 

I just want to know which part of the changes are frustrating for you.

 

I don't know what bothers me. During this entire period of quarantine and being at home, I haven't missed sports at all, and to be honest, have lost interest in a lot of them, like baseball and basketball. The only sports I want to come back are golf and football. That probably has something to do with it

[notin]

I don't know what bothers me. During this entire period of quarantine and being at home, I haven't missed sports at all, and to be honest, have lost interest in a lot of them, like baseball and basketball. The only sports I want to come back are golf and football. That probably has something to do with it

 

That’s because you don’t yet have kids who play sports. Right now, the only two you say you’re still interested in are the ones you’re physically involved in at some level. So expect baseball/softball/soccer etc. to join those ranks as your kid(s) pull you back in...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That’s because you don’t yet have kids who play sports. Right now, the only two you say you’re still interested in are the ones you’re physically involved in at some level. So expect baseball/softball/soccer etc. to join those ranks as your kid(s) pull you back in...

 

Except soccer -- watching kids soccer is like watching... well, it's not as bad as T-ball. And the tradeoff for a lot of parents is that at least soccer makes kids run and expend energy.

 

And in soccer, you can't strike out. Let's give them all a trophy!

[notin]

Except soccer -- watching kids soccer is like watching... well, it's not as bad as T-ball. And the tradeoff for a lot of parents is that at least soccer makes kids run and expend energy.

 

And in soccer, you can't strike out. Let's give them all a trophy!

 

Don’t knock youth soccer.

 

And are you knocking the “participation awards” for 5 year old kids? Ever seen them play any sport? Why reward winning? 99% of the time it’s purely accidental...

[Kimmi]

Whats going on is known as negotiations. Not unusual that each side will use all the tatics available to them.

 

I understand that. I just don't think it's a good look for either side (billionaires vs millionaires, as one writer put it) to be arguing over money, considering how bad off many people are financially.

[Kimmi]

Some kind of watered down baseball being played is good for the Sox in that our CBT will be reset and the Mookie/Price trade won't hurt us as much. It will be hard to see the game in any serious vein but it probably will go on without fans present.

 

I think the return of sports, even without fans, will be good for our country

[Kimmi]

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/05/13/mlb-has-not-yet-submitted-health-and-safety-revenue-sharing-plan-to-players/

 

Owners have not yet submitted the entire plan to players.

 

That’s according to Ken Rosenthal’s report in The Athletic today which says that MLB “soon plans to present the union with an 80-page document outlining potential health and safety protocols for the COVID-19 pandemic, sources said.”

 

Here is something posted by someone at another site:

 

"I've read in at least two different places that the agreement was predicated on playing in front of fans.* And, if the games were played off-site, or without fans, both sides were obligated to make a good-faith effort at a new deal."

 

I didn't pay that close attention to the previous deal made. But if this is true, then the owners have every right to try to renegotiate the terms of payment. No fans makes a huge difference.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Don’t knock youth soccer.

 

And are you knocking the “participation awards” for 5 year old kids? Ever seen them play any sport? Why reward winning? 99% of the time it’s purely accidental...

 

I certainly am. It's not about winning; they don't even keep score in my son's "minor" league soccer or baseball games, and these are 9 and 10 year olds (but some players always keep track). There are no winners, losers, records, standings or playoffs.

 

I'm totally against the "tradition" of rewarding young athletes with a trophy, medal or ribbon for just wearing a uniform and playing. Such awards should be earned -- like they always were before a few decades ago -- and growing up striving for goals that kids know are attainable by effort and determination can't hurt their character development.

 

Plus, what's wrong with just having parents praise their children for participation, and coaches rewarding them with Dairy Queen, and the intrinsic value of just being part of a team sport, playing together for the respect of peers, friends and foes?

[Kimmi]

I certainly am. It's not about winning; they don't even keep score in my son's "minor" league soccer or baseball games, and these are 9 and 10 year olds (but some players always keep track). There are no winners, losers, records, standings or playoffs.

 

I'm totally against the "tradition" of rewarding young athletes with a trophy, medal or ribbon for just wearing a uniform and playing. Such awards should be earned -- like they always were before a few decades ago -- and growing up striving for goals that kids know are attainable by effort and determination can't hurt their character development.

 

Plus, what's wrong with just having parents praise their children for participation, and coaches rewarding them with Dairy Queen, and the intrinsic value of just being part of a team sport, playing together for the respect of peers, friends and foes?

 

I can see both sides of the "participation awards" argument. I know how much getting a trophy meant to my kids when they first starting playing sports, and I know how disappointed and hurt they would have been if they had not received one. So, I'm glad my kids got their trophies.

 

OTOH, is learning how to deal with that disappointment a good life lesson, along with several other life lessons? Absolutely.

 

Perhaps participation awards for the really young kids but not the older kids? I don't know. And I don't know what the age cut off should be.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I can see both sides of the "participation awards" argument. I know how much getting a trophy meant to my kids when they first starting playing sports, and I know how disappointed and hurt they would have been if they had not received one. So, I'm glad my kids got their trophies.

 

OTOH, is learning how to deal with that disappointment a good life lesson, along with several other life lessons? Absolutely.

 

Perhaps participation awards for the really young kids but not the older kids? I don't know. And I don't know what the age cut off should be.

 

I can appreciate your post. I never won a trophy in youth sports, and almost turned out alright... But I can say when I finally won my first medal -- a bronze in a state high school track meet -- it meant a lot.

 

Then again, TV sports helped turn the entire American society into winning-obsessed since the 1970s; there are sports champions piling up in title games all year long, in every season, on many channels -- and kids can't help but notice. You must know how much they care about which team "won" any competition, every day at recess.

 

Unfortunately, even the fed. govt perpetuates the hysteria: "We're Number One in testing!"

[Kimmi]

I can appreciate your post. I never won a trophy in youth sports, and almost turned out alright... But I can say when I finally won my first medal -- a bronze in a state high school track meet -- it meant a lot.

 

Then again, TV sports helped turn the entire American society into winning-obsessed since the 1970s; there are sports champions piling up in title games all year long, in every season, on many channels -- and kids can't help but notice. You must know how much they care about which team "won" any competition, every day at recess.

 

Unfortunately, even the fed. govt perpetuates the hysteria: "We're Number One in testing!"

 

Fair points. As I said, I can see both sides of this coin.

 

Sports should not just be all about winning or who is the best player. There are a lot of players that fly under the radar who are just as important to a team as the guy who scores the most touchdowns, for instance. There's something to be said for being the player who gets has the most hustle or the player who always shows up to every practice and every game.

[mvp 78]

I certainly am. It's not about winning; they don't even keep score in my son's "minor" league soccer or baseball games, and these are 9 and 10 year olds (but some players always keep track). There are no winners, losers, records, standings or playoffs.

 

I'm totally against the "tradition" of rewarding young athletes with a trophy, medal or ribbon for just wearing a uniform and playing. Such awards should be earned -- like they always were before a few decades ago -- and growing up striving for goals that kids know are attainable by effort and determination can't hurt their character development.

 

Plus, what's wrong with just having parents praise their children for participation, and coaches rewarding them with Dairy Queen, and the intrinsic value of just being part of a team sport, playing together for the respect of peers, friends and foes?

 

The trophies aren't for the kids, they're for the parents.

[notin]

The trophies aren't for the kids, they're for the parents.

 

I don't want them. But my daughter did like getting the game balls more than the trophies...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don't want them. But my daughter did like getting the game balls more than the trophies...

 

I like that -- some of our youth baseball coaches started a little tradition after every game of presenting a teeball or hardball to the player of the game; it's cool recognition in front of the team... and the good coaches make sure to recognize each player on the club by the end of the season. One guy even passes around a pen and has the entire team autograph the ball for the player (then a parent adds the date and maybe a memorable stat or feat).

 

As for trophies for parents, I only accept them with a cork or screwtop; capped bottles require an opener, but the Sox sent Brewer to the minors (hey, since there ain't none now, maybe he'll be back up).

[Thunder]

That’s because you don’t yet have kids who play sports. Right now, the only two you say you’re still interested in are the ones you’re physically involved in at some level. So expect baseball/softball/soccer etc. to join those ranks as your kid(s) pull you back in...

 

I don't agree with that

[mvp 78]

I don't want them. But my daughter did like getting the game balls more than the trophies...

 

Game balls and slushies are way cooler than a trophy at the end of the year.

[Kimmi]

From Jim Palmer in an email (Subject: Pettiness) to Shaughnessy:

 

"The players union just will never get it. People dying, out of work, can’t pay their mortgage, no Senior proms, MLB abbreviated draft to disrupt lifelong dreams, and people need a diversion, and Tony Clark doesn’t want to set a precedent! Full pay for games with no fans! The players know it’s all about revenue — less $, less pay and be glad you have a job. Otherwise, stay home and drive your wife crazy!''

 

Spot on Palmer.

[Kimmi]

Also, Blake Snell: "No, I'm not splitting no revenue," 'I'm risking my life'

 

Poor guy. If he has to take a 50% cut for only playing half the season, then take an additional 33% cut, he will only make roughly $2.5 mil this year before taxes, for approximately 4 months worth of work.