Sale going for elbow MRI

[TylerD]

Is it too much to ask the Red Sox to share with us all their images of the inside of Chris Sale's left arm?

 

Ask the colts organization about that with Luck in 2017.

[Jasonbay44]

Sale himself just said TJ surgery is still possible.. at this point just get it. 2020 isn’t our year

[notin]

Maybe Sale should learn to throw right-handed like a normal human...

[mvp 78]

Sale himself just said TJ surgery is still possible.. at this point just get it. 2020 isn’t our year

 

His body, his choice.

[notin]

Sale himself just said TJ surgery is still possible.. at this point just get it. 2020 isn’t our year

 

Because it’s still surgery...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sale himself just said TJ surgery is still possible.. at this point just get it. 2020 isn’t our year

 

Reading your post and thinking: The season didn't even start yet! Then again... if the team starts out 2-8 again, I don't think we'll be hearing too many players or coaches muttering, "It's still early..."

 

But... what if Verdugo miraculously recovers and lights up the AL because no one knows how to pitch to him yet, and leads the Sox to an 8-2 start?

 

THEN, I think we'll all be saying: "Small sample size."

[mvp 78]

Reading your post and thinking: The season didn't even start yet! Then again... if the team starts out 2-8 again, I don't think we'll be hearing too many players or coaches muttering, "It's still early..."

 

But... what if Verdugo miraculously recovers and lights up the AL because no one knows how to pitch to him yet, and leads the Sox to an 8-2 start?

 

THEN, I think we'll all be saying: "Small sample size."

 

Is Verdugo now a two way player?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Is Verdugo now a two way player?

 

He was hugged by Papi, our dali yomama, it was staged on NESN -- the torch has been passed!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Verdugo's the centerpiece in the Betts' package!

[Bellhorn04]

Verdugo's the centerpiece in the Betts' package!

 

No, the centerpiece was Dollar Bill.

[TylerD]

Sale himself just said TJ surgery is still possible.. at this point just get it. 2020 isn’t our year

 

Exactly.

 

Go Braves.

[notin]

No, the centerpiece was Dollar Bill.

 

... and the Price cut

[mvp 78]

Exactly.

 

Go Braves.

 

My alternate team is now *checks notes* the Miami Marlins. Damn... Too bad the other team in the area is in the AL East and plays in a dark food court with lots ceiling obstructions.

[vegasbob]

Is Verdugo now a two way player?

 

Could be a 2 way threat---Down and out ! Couldn't resist because until he can play my assumption is that he and I are equal assets to the organization.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Could be a 2 way threat---Down and out ! Couldn't resist because until he can play my assumption is that he and I are equal assets to the organization.

 

Right now, Bob, you're a bigger asset because your avatar is a billboard on the web every time you post.

 

Mine, though, may be more appropriate this season: faceless.

 

At least you're an asset; I'm just an asshat.

[jacksonianmarch]

I’m literally dumbfounded. 100% dumbfounded.

 

He rested and rehabbed from the end of July to the beginning of March. That’s 7-8 months of rest and rehab. He couldn’t make it through ONE bullpen session. What makes you think that 2-3 weeks of rest is gonna help? All it’ll do is push him another 2-3 weeks into 2021. To say in one breath that the UCL is fine then for the player to say he might need TJS makes literally no f***ing sense. You don’t operate to repair a ligament that is “fine”.

 

 

This is absolutely stupid, and it makes me wonder two things.

 

1. Are the Sox holding out hope that Sale’s uncertain status might sell a few more boxes rather than knowing he’s gone for the year?

 

Or

 

2. Is Sale that reticent you go under the knife?

 

This is crazy

[Bellhorn04]

I’m literally dumbfounded. 100% dumbfounded.

 

He rested and rehabbed from the end of July to the beginning of March. That’s 7-8 months of rest and rehab. He couldn’t make it through ONE bullpen session. What makes you think that 2-3 weeks of rest is gonna help? All it’ll do is push him another 2-3 weeks into 2021. To say in one breath that the UCL is fine then for the player to say he might need TJS makes literally no f***ing sense. You don’t operate to repair a ligament that is “fine”.

 

 

This is absolutely stupid, and it makes me wonder two things.

 

1. Are the Sox holding out hope that Sale’s uncertain status might sell a few more boxes rather than knowing he’s gone for the year?

 

Or

 

2. Is Sale that reticent you go under the knife?

 

This is crazy

 

It sounds like you don't believe the consensus of the doctors opinions was to hold off on surgery.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don’t think we are getting the whole story

[vegasbob]

I don’t think we are getting the whole story

 

Rarely, if ever, does reporting injury on details to the public get done. Must be HIPPA. In any case, i do think Sale himself is reluctant to do surgery until the UCL fully shreds itself, possibly the next time he throws hard. This drip, drip, drip of a health issue with no resolution is a mirror image of Pedroia's. That was equally mishandled and I suspect mistreated by his doctors or busted by Pedroia himself with too hard a workout.

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t think we are getting the whole story

 

But the team, and Sale himself, are openly acknowledging that TJS is a very real possibility.

[vegasbob]

Right now, Bob, you're a bigger asset because your avatar is a billboard on the web every time you post.

 

Mine, though, may be more appropriate this season: faceless.

 

At least you're an asset; I'm just an asshat.

 

Don't know what kind of hat you wear, but you do put out some well thought out comments, enjoy seeing them. Verdugo is and will be an assclown this season and next doesn't look much better

[jacksonianmarch]

But the team, and Sale himself, are openly acknowledging that TJS is a very real possibility.

 

But how do you say in one breath that his UCL is fine then in another say he could need TJS. TJS is solely a repair procedure for a torn UCL

 

Sale is controlling the narrative here due to HIPAA.

[a700hitter]

Jacko wants us to believe that Sale's elbow condition is as deadly as rabies.

[vegasbob]

But the team, and Sale himself, are openly acknowledging that TJS is a very real possibility.

 

If TJS is a real possibility then Sale must know he has, at best, a partial tear or scarring from the prior damage and then the PRP stimulated regrowth. If that is what is making his elbow or forearm sore, he needs to pitch through it. But if the MRI's show some partial tearing, it , for sure, won't heal itself in a week, 10 days, or 12 months. If partially torn and given his radical throwing motion , it will blow sooner than later. He may well be reluctant for surgery and rehab, but also doesn't want to be the one to blow it out himself.

I'm sympathetic with others who have said that if he was allowed to throw from sometime in November, how did he or the team let it get to a BP session in March to suddenly get sore ?

[jung]

Seems to me that Manfred's penalty for Sox cheating has been meted out already. Its ............the Sox being the Sox.

 

Just incredible. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade. But you have to admit, this is just so Red Sox.

[notin]

Jacko wants us to believe that Sale's elbow condition is as deadly as rabies.

 

Sale has Corona-elbow!?!?

[jacksonianmarch]

Guys, I've been on this site for a LOOOOONG time. You know my background and while I don't do orthopedic surgeries, I am fully aware of the diagnostics and the limitations of those diagnostics for this injury. So when I tell you something doesn't add up, then I think you should believe me. And typically, I am right. There are 4 MAJOR clues here that the sox or Sale are hiding something in his elbow

 

Last summer, Sale left a game with a barking elbow. He had an initial MRI that concerned the sox doctors enough that it then prompted a visit to James Andrews. Newsflash, an MRI that shows just some "inflammation" doesn't prompt a visit to James Andrews. That is clue #1.

 

Then, Andrews puts PRP into his elbow and has him rest for what equated to the rest of the year. PRP for standard inflammation is entirely overkill, especially in season since to get the full effect, you need to rest for multiple months. So the diagnosis and the treatment don't jive. That is clue #2.

 

Sale then makes it to a single bullpen and his elbow is barking again after multiple months of rest. He gets an MRI and the sox doctors are reported to have said the test "was not good". He then goes back to James Andrews and a 3rd doctor. That is clue #3. 3 opinions for standard inflammation?

 

The final clue was during Sale's presser. He was diagnosed with a flexor strain and reported his UCL looked "fine" but acknowledged he might need TJS. TJS is UCL replacement surgery. If his UCL is "fine" why is he saying he might need surgery on it? You don't do TJS for a flexor strain unless the diagnosis is wrong (or fake).

[Nick]

Guys, I've been on this site for a LOOOOONG time. You know my background and while I don't do orthopedic surgeries, I am fully aware of the diagnostics and the limitations of those diagnostics for this injury. So when I tell you something doesn't add up, then I think you should believe me. And typically, I am right. There are 4 MAJOR clues here that the sox or Sale are hiding something in his elbow

 

Last summer, Sale left a game with a barking elbow. He had an initial MRI that concerned the sox doctors enough that it then prompted a visit to James Andrews. Newsflash, an MRI that shows just some "inflammation" doesn't prompt a visit to James Andrews. That is clue #1.

 

Then, Andrews puts PRP into his elbow and has him rest for what equated to the rest of the year. PRP for standard inflammation is entirely overkill, especially in season since to get the full effect, you need to rest for multiple months. So the diagnosis and the treatment don't jive. That is clue #2.

 

Sale then makes it to a single bullpen and his elbow is barking again after multiple months of rest. He gets an MRI and the sox doctors are reported to have said the test "was not good". He then goes back to James Andrews and a 3rd doctor. That is clue #3. 3 opinions for standard inflammation?

 

The final clue was during Sale's presser. He was diagnosed with a flexor strain and reported his UCL looked "fine" but acknowledged he might need TJS. TJS is UCL replacement surgery. If his UCL is "fine" why is he saying he might need surgery on it? You don't do TJS for a flexor strain unless the diagnosis is wrong (or fake).

 

 

If I'm Henry, I'd insist on surgery. He has millions invested in him. Why the f*** wait? If he has the surgery today, at least you know that he'll be back healthy at some point.

 

To think he won't have to have a surgery during the duration of his contract is asinine.

[moonslav59]

If I'm Henry, I'd insist on surgery. He has millions invested in him. Why the f*** wait? If he has the surgery today, at least you know that he'll be back healthy at some point.

 

To think he won't have to have a surgery during the duration of his contract is asinine.

 

Putting it off for 18 months is what is asinine.

 

Now, they may wait 20+ months.

[Larry Cook]

Guys, I've been on this site for a LOOOOONG time. You know my background and while I don't do orthopedic surgeries, I am fully aware of the diagnostics and the limitations of those diagnostics for this injury. So when I tell you something doesn't add up, then I think you should believe me. And typically, I am right. There are 4 MAJOR clues here that the sox or Sale are hiding something in his elbow

 

Last summer, Sale left a game with a barking elbow. He had an initial MRI that concerned the sox doctors enough that it then prompted a visit to James Andrews. Newsflash, an MRI that shows just some "inflammation" doesn't prompt a visit to James Andrews. That is clue #1.

 

Then, Andrews puts PRP into his elbow and has him rest for what equated to the rest of the year. PRP for standard inflammation is entirely overkill, especially in season since to get the full effect, you need to rest for multiple months. So the diagnosis and the treatment don't jive. That is clue #2.

 

Sale then makes it to a single bullpen and his elbow is barking again after multiple months of rest. He gets an MRI and the sox doctors are reported to have said the test "was not good". He then goes back to James Andrews and a 3rd doctor. That is clue #3. 3 opinions for standard inflammation?

 

The final clue was during Sale's presser. He was diagnosed with a flexor strain and reported his UCL looked "fine" but acknowledged he might need TJS. TJS is UCL replacement surgery. If his UCL is "fine" why is he saying he might need surgery on it? You don't do TJS for a flexor strain unless the diagnosis is wrong (or fake).

 

When I heard something similar to your clue #2 last summer, that is when I knew sale was not well and would not be well without surgery.

 

I knew when he came back for spring training, he was X number of throws from needing Tommy John.

 

The question now is why would they be waiting?