A Realistic View at 2020: Part II

[Slasher9]

Don't be mad at Speier like this. Not a good look.

 

hahaha. i actually dont mind him.

jimmy...johnny...lenny....timmy...something like that.....

[mvp 78]

hahaha. i actually dont mind him.

jimmy...johnny...lenny....timmy...something like that.....

 

Lenny Clarke?

[Kimmi]

There was a rumor that the sox wanted to fire Dombrowski after winning the WS because of all the bad debt he put on the team in the WS aftermath. That tells me that Henry is an idiot if he gave free range to DD to spend like a drunken sailor while he was drunk off a title. They thought it would be bad PR if they fired him right after a title, but so be it.

 

My bet is Chaim Bloom had many, many suitors. I anticipate he was able to push Henry into agreeing on a rebuild. There is no 2 ways about it. Henry divulged Sale's damaged arm and Bloom clearly saw the dead farm and the overbloated payroll and told Henry outright that he needed to rebuild and he wouldn't sign on the dotted line unless Henry agreed to it. Henry may have already been in that camp with his prior comments about getting under the LT. With Sale likely down for the season and the rotation looking like the 3 frequently injured stooges, there is no prayer of contention

 

Nonsense.

[Kimmi]

Don't be mad at Speier like this. Not a good look.

 

Another person that you just don't joke about in this manner. You just don't.

[a700hitter]

Another person that you just don't joke about in this manner. You just don't.

Speier is a useless bore.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Nonsense.

 

Speaking of... if Manfred takes away our top draft picks, what is then more likely: trading Verdugo, Downs and Wong for minor league pitching, or spending our new flexibility on Bauer, Stroman and Ray next winter (yes, all of them)?

 

Either way, I think the Sox are waiting until Judgment Day before making their next move...

[moonslav59]

Speaking of... if Manfred takes away our top draft picks, what is then more likely: trading Verdugo, Downs and Wong for minor league pitching, or spending our new flexibility on Bauer, Stroman and Ray next winter (yes, all of them)?

 

Either way, I think the Sox are waiting until Judgment Day before making their next move...

 

Close to 0% chance we trade those prospects.

 

I still think the Myers trade might be our best shot at getting a good young pitcher without losing any youth.

[Larry Cook]

Close to 0% chance we trade those prospects.

 

I still think the Myers trade might be our best shot at getting a good young pitcher without losing any youth.

 

What do you think might work? How much of Myers do the padres have to eat?

[notin]

Close to 0% chance we trade those prospects.

 

I still think the Myers trade might be our best shot at getting a good young pitcher without losing any youth.

 

Except that San Diego doesn’t want to part with them....

[moonslav59]

What do you think might work? How much of Myers do the padres have to eat?

 

Half would be nice, but maybe they'd take JBJ in lieu of all cash.

 

We could add Workman to sweeten the return. We could give Chavis or Dalbec.

[mvp 78]

Half would be nice, but maybe they'd take JBJ in lieu of all cash.

 

We could add Workman to sweeten the return. We could give Chavis or Dalbec.

 

Now we’re just swapping prospects and sending our best moveable asset for virtually the same prospects? Not a fan.

 

Also, swapping one year of JBJ for multiple years of Myers is dumb.

[Hitch]

I'd like to rescind my prediction that we may well surprise people with how good we are this year. That feels like...a stretch now.

 

Not that surprising news, really. Didn't like the contract when it was inked.

 

Time to break it up a bit now. Hopefully Evaoldi has a great season then trade him. He might, might stay fit this year (he won't), but he sure as s*** isn't staying for for another three. If we can get out of that contract we must. If JBJ manages to be anything other than crap and we can get a lottery ticket at the deadline, take it. Workman, too.

 

Keep Chavis, Dalbec and all our younger players and use the (hopefully) mush increased financial flexibility to go at it again hard the next few years (after this one).

[Bellhorn04]

Time to break it up a bit now. Hopefully Evaoldi has a great season then trade him. He might, might stay fit this year (he won't), but he sure as s*** isn't staying for for another three. If we can get out of that contract we must.

 

I think I'm down to one topic I can argue about, which is Eovaldi. I don't get the excitement about trading him if he has a good season. So we would get rid of 2 years @ 17 million. Terrific! Then for legit starters we'd be down to E-Rod, with one year left on his contract. Yee-haw!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'd like to rescind my prediction that we may well surprise people with how good we are this year. That feels like...a stretch now.

 

Not that surprising news, really. Didn't like the contract when it was inked.

 

Time to break it up a bit now. Hopefully Evaoldi has a great season then trade him. He might, might stay fit this year (he won't), but he sure as s*** isn't staying for for another three. If we can get out of that contract we must. If JBJ manages to be anything other than crap and we can get a lottery ticket at the deadline, take it. Workman, too.

 

Keep Chavis, Dalbec and all our younger players and use the (hopefully) mush increased financial flexibility to go at it again hard the next few years (after this one).

 

The only thing wrong with the spending part of that last line is if it's free agents -- as in pitchers, which most fans and scribes agree is 90% of Boston's needs -- then you're right back where we started after forking over all the surplus funds. Because quality has a price, and in baseball contracts that equates to years... as in payroll maxed out for years.

 

Another way to use the money is to hire more scouts to scour all quadrants of the orb, and provide them with signing cash to recruit, lock up and stockpile international prospects (following the legal parameters, with the blessing of Manfred, of course). Then sit back and watch the small market Red Sox evolve and maybe improve for the same amount of years the big name free agents could have been contributing.

[Hitch]

I think I'm down to one topic I can argue about, which is Eovaldi. I don't get the excitement about trading him if he has a good season. So we would get rid of 2 years @ 17 million. Terrific! Then for legit starters we'd be down to E-Rod, with one year left on his contract. Yee-haw!

 

Because I don't think he so going to be able to stay healthy. I thought that was pretty clear from the post.

 

If I thought he could stay healthy, sure I'd definitely want us to keep him. But I don't, at all.

[Bellhorn04]

Because I don't think he so going to be able to stay healthy. I thought that was pretty clear from the post.

 

If I thought he could stay healthy, sure I'd definitely want us to keep him. But I don't, at all.

 

Oh yeah, the doubts about his health are well founded, that's for sure. On the other hand, most pitching arms seem to be ticking time bombs now.

[notin]

Now we’re just swapping prospects and sending our best moveable asset for virtually the same prospects? Not a fan.

 

Also, swapping one year of JBJ for multiple years of Myers is dumb.

 

Did I miss something?

 

Upon last report, the Padres bailed on this because they did not want to deal their younger pitching like Quantrill.

 

If that is the case, there should be no “Myers deal.” It would be a bad idea to take on three years of Wil Myers just to get an A ball catching prospect who might get fewer plate appearances than your average Somalian (sorry!).

[Hitch]

Oh yeah, the doubts about his health are well founded, that's for sure. On the other hand, most pitching arms seem to be ticking time bombs now.

 

This is also, true. It's balancing act, it would sting to see him go somewhere else and stay healthy but I really don't expect it.

 

Quite how we'll build our rotation next year, I don't know, but at the moment I feel it's better to go with out a player almost certain to miss swathes of the next two years (after this one).

 

We'll see I guess. One this for sure, Chaim has got his hands full now.

[Slasher9]

Lenny Clarke?

 

yup. that dude triggers me.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think I'm down to one topic I can argue about, which is Eovaldi. I don't get the excitement about trading him if he has a good season. So we would get rid of 2 years @ 17 million. Terrific! Then for legit starters we'd be down to E-Rod, with one year left on his contract. Yee-haw!

 

I agree. To replace Evo with another free agent, you'd have to commit to at least twice as many years. Look at how many years decent pitchers signed for this winter: Cole 9, Stras 7, Wheeler 5, MadBum 5, Ryu 4, Pomeranz 4, Gibson 3, Harris 3, Keuchel 3.

 

The best starters in next winter's free agent class are Bauer, Stroman and Ray... all will be pushing 30, and looking for 5-year deals.

 

I'd know I'd rather have Eovaldi for the next 3 years than 4 for freaking Pomeranz.

[notin]

I agree. To replace Evo with another free agent, you'd have to commit to at least twice as many years. Look at how many years decent pitchers signed for this winter: Cole 9, Stras 7, Wheeler 5, MadBum 5, Ryu 4, Pomeranz 4, Gibson 3, Harris 3, Keuchel 3.

 

The best starters in next winter's free agent class are Bauer, Stroman and Ray... all will be pushing 30, and looking for 5-year deals.

 

I'd know I'd rather have Eovaldi for the next 3 years than 4 for freaking Pomeranz.

 

The main reason to trade Eovaldi is you feel a good season is a health aberration.

 

But really, unless arm(s) are coming back, it’s an idea that is worth holding off on...

[Elktonnick]

The main reason to trade Eovaldi is you feel a good season is a health aberration.

 

But really, unless arm(s) are coming back, it’s an idea that is worth holding off on...

When talking trades and pitching one needs to keep in mind why Bloom and not some other guy was hired. Book's strength is identifying and developing young pitchers. Bloom is looking for the young pitcher who either has been overlooked or undervalued by other organizations.

[mvp 78]

I think I'm down to one topic I can argue about, which is Eovaldi. I don't get the excitement about trading him if he has a good season. So we would get rid of 2 years @ 17 million. Terrific! Then for legit starters we'd be down to E-Rod, with one year left on his contract. Yee-haw!

 

My reasoning:

 

1. Sox are going nowhere this year so the starters don't matter.

2. Eovaldi is a massive injury risk and more likely to be dead money on CBT than producing on the field.

[mvp 78]

Did I miss something?

 

Upon last report, the Padres bailed on this because they did not want to deal their younger pitching like Quantrill.

 

If that is the case, there should be no “Myers deal.” It would be a bad idea to take on three years of Wil Myers just to get an A ball catching prospect who might get fewer plate appearances than your average Somalian (sorry!).

 

I really didn't like what moon was proposing.

 

I think the deal is dead.

[Slasher9]

Bloom will have us dripping in young pitching in a couple years.

patience required.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bloom will have us dripping in young pitching in a couple years.

patience required.

 

In the meantime, he'll have us dripping in sarcasm.

 

Patience required is harder for patients retired.

[Bellhorn04]

My reasoning:

 

1. Sox are going nowhere this year so the starters don't matter.

2. Eovaldi is a massive injury risk and more likely to be dead money on CBT than producing on the field.

 

I understand totally.

 

But I don't think 2 years @ 17 million for the years 2021-2022 should hamstring Mr. Bloom.

 

Mainly I'm just trying to cling to a shred of optimism about something, I guess.

[mvp 78]

I understand totally.

 

But I don't think 2 years @ 17 million for the years 2021-2022 should hamstring Mr. Bloom.

 

Mainly I'm just trying to cling to a shred of optimism about something, I guess.

 

If I thought he'd still be productive in 2022, I'd keep him around for sure. I'm not sold that the Sox will be close to the playoffs until then.

[a700hitter]

Give him a break. I was watching the inning. Chatham, playing short had two misplays, Lin should have caught a ball in center but got a late break, Perez himself was slow to cover at first. He should have been out of it with a lot less damage so it is hard to judge much from that inning.

 

I hate the way the announcers don't even say who is at bat. They obviously don't care.

I wasn't being critical. I said that he failed to get through 1 inning -- just a factual statement without judgment.

[a700hitter]

In the meantime, he'll have us dripping in sarcasm.

 

Patience required is harder for patients retired.

Bold prediction, Bloom lasts one season and gets fired after attendance and TV ratings crater in 2020.