Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[Old Red]

Will trading Mookie be Bloom's legacy ?

 

No, because JH told him to do it. That was all on JH.can’t blame Bloom for that one, or praise him either.

[dgalehouse]

No, because JH told him to do it. That was all on JH.can’t blame Bloom for that one, or praise him either.

 

He was " only following orders " ?

[Jasonbay44]

Perhaps the greatest Sox "what if" since trading the Babe to NYY>

 

And it was one every knew we’d regret at the time… he is a generational talent

[Old Red]

He was " only following orders " ?

 

Honestly I would say it’s hard to know with Bloom.

[moonslav59]

And it was one every knew we’d regret at the time… he is a generational talent

 

Agreed.

 

I also do not neglect the idea that others would have had to be traded to bring the budget down to what JH wanted. We don't know what that would have meant.

[Jasonbay44]

Agreed.

 

I also do not neglect the idea that others would have had to be traded to bring the budget down to what JH wanted. We don't know what that would have meant.

 

I understand that. But I fully believed and still do believe that Mookie is a guy you sign and make rest of it work later. He is that good and his play style is one that can age well. He Is a walking hall of famer

[moonslav59]

I understand that. But I fully believed and still do believe that Mookie is a guy you sign and make rest of it work later. He is that good and his play style is one that can age well. He Is a walking hall of famer

 

We are in 100% agreement. Had we been forced to trade Bogey and JD with Price, we'd have been better off, and that's not just in hindsight.

[notin]

Will trading Mookie be Bloom's legacy ?

 

It shouldn’t be.

 

Dombrowski was unable to extend him for 4 years and then ultimately extended Sale and Bogaerts instead. Trying to extend Mookie one year away from free agency when he’d already turned down a $300mill offer while also getting under the luxury tax was a task beyond impossible…

[notin]

He was " only following orders " ?

 

You don’t wait 5 years to lock up a generational talent.

 

Even the Nationals handled Juan Soto better than that…

[moonslav59]

You don’t wait 5 years to lock up a generational talent.

 

Even the Nationals handled Juan Soto better than that…

 

DD is untouchable. You should know that by now.

[notin]

DD is untouchable. You should know that by now.

 

If there is a bright side to the Betts trade, the Orioles did basically the same thing with Machado ( i.e. held him too long and then traded him to the Dodgers for piddlings), and their doing ok now.

 

And Machado, like him or not, absolutely is a generational talent…

[vegasbob]

I understand that. But I fully believed and still do believe that Mookie is a guy you sign and make rest of it work later. He is that good and his play style is one that can age well. He Is a walking hall of famer

 

The guy who did get extended for market rate bucks is an unlikely HoF'er. He's a player, but no evidence of an individual who could lead or carry this team.

[Randy Red Sox]

actually Bloom is untouchable to his supporters like yourself. Were you actually ok with the pitching performance today? Were you ok with a team trying to get W/C spot using positional player on the bump??

DD is untouchable. You should know that by now.

[moonslav59]

actually Bloom is untouchable to his supporters like yourself. Were you actually ok with the pitching performance today? Were you ok with a team trying to get W/C spot using positional player on the bump??

 

Huh?

 

I've said 2023 should be his "make or break" or "legacy year".

 

Later, I said I don't think JH shares that view.

 

Please try to get my position right. I think he made some good deals under the circumstances handed to him. More bad than good. I think his number 1 priority is to build the farm, and it's impossible to grade him on that, this soon.

 

I wanted us to trade prospects for 2 SP'er not One.

 

Why would I be okay with today's performance?

[notin]

actually Bloom is untouchable to his supporters like yourself. Were you actually ok with the pitching performance today? Were you ok with a team trying to get W/C spot using positional player on the bump??

 

I gave him a Z- for his deadline activity. Do you really think that constitutes “support”?

[notin]

actually Bloom is untouchable to his supporters like yourself. Were you actually ok with the pitching performance today? Were you ok with a team trying to get W/C spot using positional player on the bump??

 

Also I saw the first place Reds use journeyman catcher Luke Malle on the mound in back-to-back games. This might not be as rare as you are trying to insinuate it is…

[Randy Red Sox]

My reply was to Moonslav but because I am having issues resounding via the "reply with quite" function it does not indicate that

[Randy Red Sox]

Moonslav--ok fair enough. If I misread your thoughts I apologize. I feel that the Sox are woefully short in P both at the MLB level and in our farm system. We may have several good prospects at some POSITIONAL positions but nothing close to MLB ready on the bump. I was OK with drafting a C this yr with our 1st rd pick and dont even mind our 2nd and 3rd picks either. However going forward unless another Mayer falls in our lap I would draft all P's in our first 3-4 rounds. we SIMPLY HAVE to add QUALITY P depth to our system. If we need 2B or Of in any given year we can get them on the FA market much cheaper than adding QUALITY P. Why am I the only one who sees this?

[notin]

My reply was to Moonslav but because I am having issues resounding via the "reply with quite" function it does not indicate that

 

Your reply also used the plural “supporters.”

[cp176]

DD is untouchable. You should know that by now.

 

Who brought up DD?

[Bellhorn04]

If there is a bright side to the Betts trade, the Orioles did basically the same thing with Machado ( i.e. held him too long and then traded him to the Dodgers for piddlings), and their doing ok now.

 

And Machado, like him or not, absolutely is a generational talent…

 

And amazingly enough, Betts has been about 42% better than Machado, based on fWAR per 150 games.

 

Betts 6.82 55.4 fWAR in 1218 games

Machado 4.81 49.4 fWAR in 1541 games

 

Machado hit the majors younger, of course.

[notin]

Who brought up DD?

 

Apparently I did when I said you don’t wait 5 years to lock up a generational talent. Because you don’t and you have almost 0 leverage at that point.

[Bellhorn04]

Apparently I did when I said you don’t wait 5 years to lock up a generational talent. Because you don’t and you have almost 0 leverage at that point.

 

We'll never know what internal discussions were had. But I believe that when a player like Betts is involved, the owners are the ones calling the shots. The head of ops, whether he's Dombrowski or Bloom, is just a guy on salary who can be fired at any moment. The owners are the only real stakeholders.

[mvp 78]

He was " only following orders " ?

 

It was probably noted during the interview process that he had to trade Mookie.

[mvp 78]

I understand that. But I fully believed and still do believe that Mookie is a guy you sign and make rest of it work later. He is that good and his play style is one that can age well. He Is a walking hall of famer

 

^^^ This one move irreparably damaged this version of the Sox and the fanbase for a loooong time.

[mvp 78]

I gave him a Z- for his deadline activity. Do you really think that constitutes “support”?

 

The Z stands for Bloom zigging when all the other in contention teams zagged.

[Bellhorn04]

It was probably noted during the interview process that he had to trade Mookie.

 

Quite possible, although the curious thing was that the trade happened pretty late in the game.

[mvp 78]

We'll never know what internal discussions were had. But I believe that when a player like Betts is involved, the owners are the ones calling the shots. The head of ops, whether he's Dombrowski or Bloom, is just a guy on salary who can be fired at any moment. The owners are the only real stakeholders.

 

I think Bloom's lean towards "north star" is kind of genius as he's basically selling himself to JH that he needs a 5-6 year contract to get the team in contention. He's built himself job security by drafting HS players that take a long time to develop and mediocre .500 MLB teams that are just not good enough to be in the playoffs, but show sparks of being good.

[moonslav59]

Quite possible, although the curious thing was that the trade happened pretty late in the game.

 

How long was it from the time he refused the Sox maga offer and the trade?

[Bellhorn04]

How long was it from the time he refused the Sox maga offer and the trade?

 

The offer we know of came between the 2018 and 2019 seasons, so a year, give or take.