Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[notin]

Oh come on now notin, I'm agreeing with you - dd was obviously the worst thing that could have happened to the franchise. But I will add that it might be time to move on. I don't think that DD cares too much about what you or the other 2 or 3 people here who feel like you do think. We have all heard you.

 

None of them care what we think. Heck, none of them are probably even aware of this singular Red Sox forum out of the thousands of forums dedicated to the team over the entirety of the Internet.

 

But does that mean I am not allowed my (remarkably accurate?) viewpoint?

[notin]

And now Bloom has 3 paydays under his belt totalling about $550 million...

 

And some of them, possibly all three, will prove worthless.

 

Yoshida is a bit too new to MLB and, heck, the United States in general to give up on yet. Story is showing he has the talent, but needs to stay on the field.

 

At least Devers has been the safest Sox contract since Bogaerts.

[RBMunkin]

all i see is a greedy front office. i would not have had a problem with them trading just about anybody else but i think we all knew Mookie was a future HOFer and one of the greatest players ever to put on a Red Sox uniform. those kinda of players don't come around very often and when they do, you figure out a way to f***ing keep them. not trade them to the gotdamn Dodgers. i'm not about to boohoo for a greedy f***ing billionaire.

 

 

I see it differently. They offered Betts $300M and he wanted more. So who's the greedy one? Tell me, what could you do with $365M that you couldn't do with $300M?

Seriously, why did he need more than $300M? He's the greedy and disloyal one. Pathetic.

[moonslav59]

I see it differently. They offered Betts $300M and he wanted more. So who's the greedy one? Tell me, what could you do with $365M that you couldn't do with $300M?

Seriously, why did he need more than $300M? He's the greedy and disloyal one. Pathetic.

 

Can't you apply that to JH and on an even bigger scale?

 

JH is mega rich, so what's the difference between $365 and 300 to a guy like JH?

 

I'd say it means much less to him and the legacy he leaves his children and their children than to Betts.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Can't you apply that to JH and on an even bigger scale?

 

JH is mega rich, so what's the difference between $365 and 300 to a guy like JH?

 

I'd say it means much less to him and the legacy he leaves his children and their children than to Betts.

 

This makes total sense, unless the kajillionaire is an egotist used to getting his way -- right or wrong -- because he says so.

 

And nothing personal, RBM, but if you read the forum threads the past three days, you must know that Mookie just said the Red Sox never offered him $300M...

[dgalehouse]

This Mookie debate goes on and on for one big reason. Mookie Betts is a truly great ballplayer. Not just very good, but great. One of the best you will see in a lifetime. By all accounts he is also a great guy and teammate. There is no excuse for John Henry not to have opened his overstuffed wallet and paid Mookie to stay in Boston for his Hall of Fame career. No excuse whatsoever.

[moonslav59]

This Mookie debate goes on and on for one big reason. Mookie Betts is a truly great ballplayer. Not just very good, but great. One of the best you will see in a lifetime. By all accounts he is also a great guy and teammate. There is no excuse for John Henry not to have opened his overstuffed wallet and paid Mookie to stay in Boston for his Hall of Fame career. No excuse whatsoever.

 

I've never agreed with you more.

[notin]

Can't you apply that to JH and on an even bigger scale?

 

JH is mega rich, so what's the difference between $365 and 300 to a guy like JH?

 

I'd say it means much less to him and the legacy he leaves his children and their children than to Betts.

 

Henry doesn’t pay for these guys with his own money. No owner does…

[Old Red]

This Mookie debate goes on and on for one big reason. Mookie Betts is a truly great ballplayer. Not just very good, but great. One of the best you will see in a lifetime. By all accounts he is also a great guy and teammate. There is no excuse for John Henry not to have opened his overstuffed wallet and paid Mookie to stay in Boston for his Hall of Fame career. No excuse whatsoever.

 

Sean McDonough said it best after Mookie homered. A trade that can never he defended, and a stain that can nerve be erased.

[moonslav59]

Henry doesn’t pay for these guys with his own money. No owner does…

 

Henry and the others in the ownership can make more money by cutting costs.

 

The money differential should matter less to them than to Mookie.

[moonslav59]

Sean McDonough said it best after Mookie homered. A trade that can never he defended, and a stain that can nerve be erased.

 

He's no expert, but I agree on this. I just think the blame is often placed on the wrong guy.

 

I also don't think letting Betts goes outweighs the good JH & Co. have done for the Sox in 2 decades. The same way I think the 3 great years under DD's reign outweigh the sacrifices we paid after he left.

[jad]

This Mookie debate goes on and on for one big reason. Mookie Betts is a truly great ballplayer. Not just very good, but great. One of the best you will see in a lifetime. By all accounts he is also a great guy and teammate. There is no excuse for John Henry not to have opened his overstuffed wallet and paid Mookie to stay in Boston for his Hall of Fame career. No excuse whatsoever.

 

Ha! I just took you off block to agree 100% with you and Moon on this.

[Duran Is The Man]

Sean McDonough said it best after Mookie homered. A trade that can never he defended, and a stain that can nerve be erased.

 

ouch.

[Randy Red Sox]

So what does this post mean anyway?

Henry doesn’t pay for these guys with his own money. No owner does…

[Duran Is The Man]

So what does this post mean anyway?

 

i believe that he means that most all owners pay their player salaries exclusively from income generated by the franchise and nothing out of his own pocket. Cohen might be the exception to that.

[cp176]

Strawman, strawman.

 

thank you so

[cp176]

None of them care what we think. Heck, none of them are probably even aware of this singular Red Sox forum out of the thousands of forums dedicated to the team over the entirety of the Internet.

 

But does that mean I am not allowed my (remarkably accurate?) viewpoint?

 

Has anything ever stopped you from expressing your viewpoint? Let the good times roll.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Anyone compelled to say we have to move on from Mookie really hasn't.

 

But let's try: flashforward, some years from now (when posters are no longer feigning excitement about platoons of Duran/Refsnyder and Wong/McGuire) -- Teel at C, an OF of Anthony-Rafaela-Bleis, 1B Casas-3B Devers-SS Mayer, and which ever of the remaining 75 middle infield prospects emerges at 2B... all backing a rotation of Bello, a Japanese import, and three other primetimers that Henry actually invested in, because "he always spent big in the past." Such a collection of maturing young talent should be legitimately contending for wild cards every season.

 

Meanwhile, Mookie will still be short, still feeding the homeless, always smiling, never showing up late, and still rocking the majors, playing multiple positions with a higher WAR than any player in baseball -- just like he has since his first full MLB season, nine years ago.

[jad]

Anyone compelled to say we have to move on from Mookie really hasn't.

 

But let's try: flashforward, some years from now (when posters are no longer feigning excitement about platoons of Duran/Refsnyder and Wong/McGuire) -- Teel at C, an OF of Anthony-Rafaela-Bleis, 1B Casas-3B Devers-SS Mayer, and which ever of the remaining 75 middle infield prospects emerges at 2B... all backing a rotation of Bello, a Japanese import, and three other primetimers that Henry actually invested in, because "he always spent big in the past." Such a collection of maturing young talent should be legitimately contending for wild cards every season.

 

Meanwhile, Mookie will still be short, still feeding the homeless, always smiling, never showing up late, and still rocking the majors, playing multiple positions with a higher WAR than any player in baseball -- just like he has since his first full MLB season, nine years ago.

 

Ya can't fix short.

[moonslav59]

i believe that he means that most all owners pay their player salaries exclusively from income generated by the franchise and nothing out of his own pocket. Cohen might be the exception to that.

 

Limiting your profits by spending more means you make less money.

[Bellhorn04]

Henry doesn’t pay for these guys with his own money. No owner does…

 

But it's "Henry's money" in the same sense as it is for any majority shareholder of a company. He does have a strong vested interest in all the decisions that affect the team's bottom line and net worth.

[moonslav59]

But it's "Henry's money" in the same sense as it is for any majority shareholder of a company. He does have a strong vested interest in all the decisions that affect the team's bottom line and net worth.

 

Exactly, and maybe they made way less money by letting Betts go than they saved by not paying him (and other.)

 

The point I was trying to make is that these decisions do affect what JH (and others) makes or does not make.

[mvp 78]

This Mookie debate goes on and on for one big reason. Mookie Betts is a truly great ballplayer. Not just very good, but great. One of the best you will see in a lifetime. By all accounts he is also a great guy and teammate. There is no excuse for John Henry not to have opened his overstuffed wallet and paid Mookie to stay in Boston for his Hall of Fame career. No excuse whatsoever.

^^^

[notin]

But it's "Henry's money" in the same sense as it is for any majority shareholder of a company. He does have a strong vested interest in all the decisions that affect the team's bottom line and net worth.

 

And he’s using Fenway Entertainment Group (or whatever) money for everything.

 

Does he have a financial interest? Of course. But if the Sox sign a player to a big contract, does it affect him personally? Of course not…

[mvp 78]

But it's "Henry's money" in the same sense as it is for any majority shareholder of a company. He does have a strong vested interest in all the decisions that affect the team's bottom line and net worth.

 

I don’t root for the bottom line. That would be some truly psycho s***.

[Bellhorn04]

Does he have a financial interest? Of course. But if the Sox sign a player to a big contract, does it affect him personally? Of course not…

 

That's contradictory. We're talking about personal financial impact. If the Red Sox lose money or the value of the team goes down, Henry's share of the asset goes down in value. That's personal financial impact.

 

The fact that he doesn't need the money is a whole different thing, if that's what you're getting at.

 

If Henry was personally unaffected by Betts's contract, why wouldn't he have just offered Mookie $400 million? What did it matter to him what the amount was?

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t root for the bottom line. That would be some truly psycho s***.

 

Nobody roots for the bottom line. OTOH everybody knows the bottom line matters.

[mvp 78]

Nobody roots for the bottom line. OTOH everybody knows the bottom line matters.

 

His AAV has been surpassed multiple times since the contract was signed.

[Bellhorn04]

Here's a story that came out back in June/22. This is from the interview with Bradford.

 

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2370791

 

It's been more than two years since the Boston Red Sox traded outfielder Mookie Betts to the Los Angeles Dodgers in a blockbuster deal, and the 29-year-old is finally ready to clear some things up about why the trade happened.

 

"They had things they needed to take care of," Betts told WEEI's Rob Bradford. "They were in a situation where they had to do what's best for them. You can't really be mad at somebody for having to do what's best for them, especially when you have to do what's best for you. There's definitely no hatred there. Chaim (Bloom) did a great job kind of talking and being upfront and honest and made the whole process smooth. It sucks, but that's part of it."

 

Betts added: "There was an offer that was put out there, and we just declined, and we felt, I just wanted to get my value, man. That's all. Just like any person that lives, they want to get their value, what they're worth. That's pretty much all that that it was. Just the numbers didn't align, which is normal. It's all normal things. We just had to go our separate ways. Just like anything else, there was a lot of talk where I didn't want to stay, or this, that, and the other. That's false. It's just business. It is what it is. There's nothing you can do about it now, though."

[moonslav59]

Here's a story that came out back in June/22. This is from the interview with Bradford.

 

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2370791

 

It's been more than two years since the Boston Red Sox traded outfielder Mookie Betts to the Los Angeles Dodgers in a blockbuster deal, and the 29-year-old is finally ready to clear some things up about why the trade happened.

 

"They had things they needed to take care of," Betts told WEEI's Rob Bradford. "They were in a situation where they had to do what's best for them. You can't really be mad at somebody for having to do what's best for them, especially when you have to do what's best for you. There's definitely no hatred there. Chaim (Bloom) did a great job kind of talking and being upfront and honest and made the whole process smooth. It sucks, but that's part of it."

 

Betts added: "There was an offer that was put out there, and we just declined, and we felt, I just wanted to get my value, man. That's all. Just like any person that lives, they want to get their value, what they're worth. That's pretty much all that that it was. Just the numbers didn't align, which is normal. It's all normal things. We just had to go our separate ways. Just like anything else, there was a lot of talk where I didn't want to stay, or this, that, and the other. That's false. It's just business. It is what it is. There's nothing you can do about it now, though."

 

Thanks for posting this. I knew he answered that Q, before.