Seagar ,May ,Pollock for Mookie ?

[moonslav59]

Recent rumor from MLBTR is that Price is involved in the talks. It’ll lessen the return, but free up more cash. As to what would go back to Boston, no clue

 

Price pretty much cancels out Betts, so unless we take back salary (Pollock & Kelly have negative value- Pederson has 1 year at plus value), I wouldn't expect much in return.

[Hitch]

Workman is a FA after 2020, and trading Betts is further punting the season away for the future. I'm just adding to the futute.

 

Barnes has 2 years left and his stock dropped. Adding him was questionable but not illogical.

 

It's not about what's logical on the trade simulator. The FO have been to shown to have no interest in moving either of those two in these possible trades.

[notin]

Price pretty much cancels out Betts, so unless we take back salary (Pollock & Kelly have negative value- Pederson has 1 year at plus value), I wouldn't expect much in return.

 

The simulator allows for the Sox to send Betts and Price and $45mill to the Doders for Gonsolin, OF DJ Peters and Pederson. THat move cuts about $37mill off the Sox luxury tax payments.

 

It's not a horrible trade, but it does lack any sexy names coming back to Boston.

 

The Sox might be able to pay a little more and get an actual prospect instead of Pederson. Something like Betts, Price and $51mill (which brings Price down to $15mill per year) and get back Gonsolin, Peters, and Josiah Gray, or Gonsolin, Keibert Ruiz and Connor Wong. I think the dodgers view Ruiz (blocked by Will Smith) and Wong (power speed combo with a .997 OPS in limited AA action last year, but has no real position) as trade chips they don't really need in their future and might be amenable to moving both here, allowing them to keep Gray and Peters, who might have futures in LA. And of those two packages, I like the latter. Just sending money is preferable to taking back contracts where the pay equals the AAV because when dealing Price, the money can be spread over 3 years towards the tax. So taking Pederson is worth $7mill for one year. But an additional $6mill payment is only $2mill, but for 3 years...

 

Again, prefer Verdugo. And the Sox might get him. But he is valued similar to Betts so it's a tough fit on the simulator...

[mvp 78]

Price pretty much cancels out Betts, so unless we take back salary (Pollock & Kelly have negative value- Pederson has 1 year at plus value), I wouldn't expect much in return.

 

The trade simulator doesn't factor for how desperate the Dodgers are to finally get that ring.

[OH FOY]

What is it. If the Sox are over the Threshold and Betts becomes a FA, the Sox get a 5th for him. If Under a 2nd am I right? You don't think the Dodgers know this? Why would the Dodgers give any of their Top 5 Prospects for a Rental.

Smart move, if I was Freidman, would just wait this out, Sox are painted into a Corner.

Edited January 30, 2020 by OH FOY!

[Jack Flap]

The trade simulator doesn't factor for how desperate the Dodgers are to finally get that ring.

 

I'm sure hoping so.

[mvp 78]

What is it. If the Sox are over the Threshold and Betts becomes a FA, the Sox get a 5th for him. If Under a 2nd am I right? You don't think the Dodgers know this? Why would the Dodgers give any of their Top 5 Prospects for a Rental.

Smart move, if I was Freidman, would just wait this out, Sox are painted into a Corner.

 

Not if you believe when John Henry says they don't have to get under the lux tax this year.

[Hitch]

I do believe him when he says that we don't have to be under. If we can't make the trade work we'll got at hard again this year, but it'll mean the end of any lingering hope of signing Betts to an extension and then they'll try and get under again next year. It will have to happen at some point in the next two years.

 

Trading Betts is the right move for me, and getting rid of Price is dreamland, but if they're packaged it really will undercut what could be a good haul for Mookie. I can't see a scenario where they give the Sox Verdugo in just a Betts trade, never mind with Price involved too.

[mvp 78]

[harmony]

The trade simulator doesn't factor for how desperate the Dodgers are to finally get that ring.

Or how desperate the Red Sox are to get under the luxury tax threshold.

[Tedballgame]

Price pretty much cancels out Betts, so unless we take back salary (Pollock & Kelly have negative value- Pederson has 1 year at plus value), I wouldn't expect much in return.

Verdugo will be part of any deal.

[mvp 78]

Or how desperate the Red Sox are to get under the luxury tax threshold.

 

Henry says they aren't though!

[Tedballgame]

I do believe him when he says that we don't have to be under. If we can't make the trade work we'll got at hard again this year, but it'll mean the end of any lingering hope of signing Betts to an extension and then they'll try and get under again next year. It will have to happen at some point in the next two years.

 

Trading Betts is the right move for me, and getting rid of Price is dreamland, but if they're packaged it really will undercut what could be a good haul for Mookie. I can't see a scenario where they give the Sox Verdugo in just a Betts trade, never mind with Price involved too.

After thinking that they were cheated in 2017(they were) and 2018(they weren't), the Dodgers want to win NOW! They will get Betts and Price and they will give up Verdugo, among others. They have the money, the players and the desire. They want to win for Kobe this year.

[harmony]

Henry says they aren't though!

Has anyone from the Dodgers stated a desperation to "finally get that ring"?

[Hitch]

After thinking that they were cheated in 2017(they were) and 2018(they weren't), the Dodgers want to win NOW! They will get Betts and Price and they will give up Verdugo, among others. They have the money, the players and the desire. They want to win for Kobe this year.

 

I very much hope you're right. I don't see it personally, but I'd be even happier with the deal if they're taking Price and we're getting Verdugo and some of the prospects mentioned.

[jacksonianmarch]

Not if you believe when John Henry says they don't have to get under the lux tax this year.

 

I don’t believe that at all. He was walking back what he accidentally let slip

[mvp 78]

After thinking that they were cheated in 2017(they were) and 2018(they weren't), the Dodgers want to win NOW! They will get Betts and Price and they will give up Verdugo, among others. They have the money, the players and the desire. They want to win for Kobe this year.

 

And they will still swing and miss in the postseason. It will be wonderful

[mvp 78]

I don’t believe that at all. He was walking back what he accidentally let slip

 

Unbelievable that you wouldn't take him at his word!

[bkzwhitestrican]

From what I was reading the other day I thought the Padres were the front runners in a trade. One proposal that I thought was interesting had Wil Myers coming to the Sox with SD eating some of his salary, along with some MLB guys who just graduated off SD's top prospect list (Lucchesi, Margot, Naylor). I'm sure y'all probably feel you could get more than that for Mookie though.

[Station 13]

From what I was reading the other day I thought the Padres were the front runners in a trade. One proposal that I thought was interesting had Wil Myers coming to the Sox with SD eating some of his salary, along with some MLB guys who just graduated off SD's top prospect list (Lucchesi, Margot, Naylor). I'm sure y'all probably feel you could get more than that for Mookie though.

 

Yuck

[Slasher9]

From what I was reading the other day I thought the Padres were the front runners in a trade. One proposal that I thought was interesting had Wil Myers coming to the Sox with SD eating some of his salary, along with some MLB guys who just graduated off SD's top prospect list (Lucchesi, Margot, Naylor). I'm sure y'all probably feel you could get more than that for Mookie though.

 

the signing of Mitchy Poo killed any thought of taking Myers.

[mvp 78]

From what I was reading the other day I thought the Padres were the front runners in a trade. One proposal that I thought was interesting had Wil Myers coming to the Sox with SD eating some of his salary, along with some MLB guys who just graduated off SD's top prospect list (Lucchesi, Margot, Naylor). I'm sure y'all probably feel you could get more than that for Mookie though.

 

After Sandoval and Hanley, I think the Sox are happy with not paying heft sums to negative WAR guys anymore.

[bkzwhitestrican]

the signing of Mitchy Poo killed any thought of taking Myers.

 

Trading Betts would clear $27M, and if the Padres ate half of Myers' deal then the Sox would only be paying him about $10M, a net savings of about $14M (when you factor in the other players in the deal). I think they could still do it even with Moreland's potential $5M on the books.

[Bellhorn04]

There will be no Wil Myers in Fort Myers.

[mvp 78]

the signing of Mitchy Poo killed any thought of taking Myers.

 

Myers could still play COF.

[mvp 78]

There will be no Wil Myers in Fort Myers.

 

Yeah, I'm not driving 2.5 hours to see that guy on the field.

[mvp 78]

Trading Betts would clear $27M, and if the Padres ate half of Myers' deal then the Sox would only be paying him about $10M, a net savings of about $14M (when you factor in the other players in the deal). I think they could still do it even with Moreland's potential $5M on the books.

 

But wouldn't get under lux tax.

[bkzwhitestrican]

But wouldn't get under lux tax.

 

Not sure how much they'd need to get under the LT, but Margot would make JBJ and his $11M expendable.

[jacksonianmarch]

Unbelievable that you wouldn't take him at his word!

 

If he was spending all offseason and acted as if he didn’t care, then I’d take his walk back seriously. With the fact that he’s brought in low cost options and has actually dropped talent from his team and is currently rumored to be involved in cutting more salary, I don’t believe his retraction. Actions speak louder than words

[mvp 78]

Not sure how much they'd need to get under the LT, but Margot would make JBJ and his $11M expendable.

 

JBJ is expendable now. The problem is that there is no interest from other teams.