2018 Red Sox cheating scandal

[jacksonianmarch]

It would be the perfect time to publish this if they wanted the story to die. Nobody is even tuning in to sports right now

[SoxHop]

It would be the perfect time to publish this if they wanted the story to die. Nobody is even tuning in to sports right now

 

This is so true.

[jad]

Ah, remember when this seemed so critical to us?? Those were the days!

[Bellhorn04]

It would be the perfect time to publish this if they wanted the story to die. Nobody is even tuning in to sports right now

 

But there are a lot of sports journalists with nothing much to write about, and they would pounce on this hard.

[mvp 78]

I think they still don't know what to do about it. They keep pushing it back a month and haven't really had good excuses as to why. Right now it's "focusing on the pandemic." They sent everyone home! What is there to focus on?

[Bellhorn04]

I think they still don't know what to do about it. They keep pushing it back a month and haven't really had good excuses as to why. Right now it's "focusing on the pandemic." They sent everyone home! What is there to focus on?

 

I wonder if Manfred came to the conclusion that what the Red Sox were doing was probably being done by all the other teams too. So how does he handle disciplining that?

[notin]

I think they still don't know what to do about it. They keep pushing it back a month and haven't really had good excuses as to why. Right now it's "focusing on the pandemic." They sent everyone home! What is there to focus on?

 

Maybe they’re focusing on the pandemic cheating throughout MLB?

[mvp 78]

I wonder if Manfred came to the conclusion that what the Red Sox were doing was probably being done by all the other teams too. So how does he handle disciplining that?

 

Say "oopsie" and just change rules going forward.

[mvp 78]

Maybe they’re focusing on the pandemic cheating throughout MLB?

 

It'd take him years to parse that out.

[notin]

It'd take him years to parse that out.

 

And that may be where we are...

[mvp 78]

And that may be where we are...

 

He loves to micromanage the all important replay system though.

[Kimmi]

I wonder if Manfred came to the conclusion that what the Red Sox were doing was probably being done by all the other teams too. So how does he handle disciplining that?

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

I think Manfred jumped on the Sox prematurely due to Cora's connection to the Astros.

 

Wouldn't it be really sad if Cora lost his job over basically nothing?

[Bellhorn04]

My thoughts exactly.

 

I think Manfred jumped on the Sox prematurely due to Cora's connection to the Astros.

 

Wouldn't it be really sad if Cora lost his job over basically nothing?

 

Cora did get a lot of mention in the Astros report. And Beltran lost his job before it started because of the Astros report.

 

Perhaps Cora will be able to return to the Red Sox at some point though.

[Kman]

I think Cora and Beltran was thrown under the bus by the Astros management because they didn't want to admit that they had a whole wing of stat's geeks and people working on stealing signs. Codebreaker I think is what they called it and it was up and running before Cora and Beltran were even part of the Astros. I think the Red Sox may well have been peeking at the signs trying to get an edge and than if they got to second base they could try and signal the batter what was coming I also think every team was doing that. Now if it comes out that the Sox were doing something like the Astros were doing than they deserve to be punished. If they end up punishing the Sox for something everyone else was also doing I will be pretty upset with the whole situation.

[oldtimer]

Manfred indicates the investigation is completed and only waiting on him to complete the written report. He is saying the many COVID-19 related issues have delayed him in that regard, but did say the report will be out before the season begins, whenever that is. With reported cases in the US rising at an accelerating rate, it is hard to believe the season could start until the end of May, and even that is optimistic.

[Thunder]

I hope Cora gets the Pete Rose treatment. Two WS titles in 2 year with 2 different teams while cheating warrants it IMO

[mvp 78]

I hope Cora gets the Pete Rose treatment. Two WS titles in 2 year with 2 different teams while cheating warrants it IMO

 

Houston set up the cheating system before Cora got there. We haven't seen the cheating evidence against the Sox yet.

[Thunder]

Houston set up the cheating system before Cora got there. We haven't seen the cheating evidence against the Sox yet.

 

You're right. Sorry, being around so many Yankees fans has started to wear off on me

[Bellhorn04]

Potential draft pick penalties are still a huge deal here.

[moonslav59]

Potential draft pick penalties are still a huge deal here.

 

Yes! This could be a major blow to our rebuilding plan. Let’s hope any penalties do not involve draft or bonus pool penalties.

[Tedballgame]

Yes! This could be a major blow to our rebuilding plan. Let’s hope any penalties do not involve draft or bonus pool penalties.

 

Sox will lose picks for Rounds 20-40 in 2020 draft.

[harmony]

Houston set up the cheating system before Cora got there. We haven't seen the cheating evidence against the Sox yet.

MLB has not publicly disclosed "cheating evidence" against the Sox but a Red Sox attorney reportedly disputes "what the commissioner found":

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/03/do-boston-red-sox-know-results-of-mlb-sign-stealing-investigation-lawyer-suggests-team-disagrees-with-leagues-findings-report.html

 

From MLB commissioner Rob Manfred on Wednesday regarding the Red Sox investigation:

 

"We are done with the investigation," Manfred said. "There's been a delay in terms of producing a written report, just because I, frankly, have not had time to turn to it with the other issues. But we will get a Boston report out before we resume play."

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28955618/rob-manfred-says-table-regarding-mlb-return

Edited March 27, 2020 by harmony

[Kimmi]

I would like to nominate someone, Moon maybe?, to go back and watch every Red Sox game of the 2018 season, and detail any possible signs of cheating. When finished, give us your report. I'm sure we would get that quicker than we will get Manfred's report.

[Thunder]

I would like to nominate someone, Moon maybe?, to go back and watch every Red Sox game of the 2018 season, and detail any possible signs of cheating. When finished, give us your report. I'm sure we would get that quicker than we will get Manfred's report.

 

To my understanding, what we were "allegedly" doing wasn't nearly as bad as the Astros. I have a friend, who while biased as a Yankees fan, is well-informed on these matters. I'm not exactly sure what it is we were doing, but he said it was the same thing that basically every team does now, except we took it too far by using technology

[oldtimer]

I would like to nominate someone, Moon maybe?, to go back and watch every Red Sox game of the 2018 season, and detail any possible signs of cheating. When finished, give us your report. I'm sure we would get that quicker than we will get Manfred's report.

 

It has sounded like a few players may have been going in and looking at replay technology to try to understand the signs being used. That information was then made available to runners who reached second. Those players could then relay the information to the batter. If this is what happened, it is only slightly different than having a really smart sign stealer at 2nd base without the technology. I'd hazard a guess that all teams were doing some of that. Manfred's findings should ask the question of whether similar situations occurred throughout baseball before deciding on penalties. What Houston did went way beyond what I described above.

[sundvl20]

I rarely come on here, but when i do i always see threads started by this jackass yankee fan about anything bad for sox. this guy is so passive-aggressive its not even funny. get this clown out of here

[Thunder]

I rarely come on here, but when i do i always see threads started by this jackass yankee fan about anything bad for sox. this guy is so passive-aggressive its not even funny. get this clown out of here

 

Not true at all. Jacko has proven time and time again that he's rational, and contributes a lot to this site. There have been plenty of other Yankees fans that have come and gone on this place that fit your description, but not him, that's for sure. If that were the case, he'd been banned long ago

[notin]

I rarely come on here, but when i do i always see threads started by this jackass yankee fan about anything bad for sox. this guy is so passive-aggressive its not even funny. get this clown out of here

 

He’s definitely pro Yankee, but right now if he needs some mildly entertaining welcome relief, we’re all cool with it...

[S5Dewey]

Not true at all. Jacko has proven time and time again that he's rational, and contributes a lot to this site. There have been plenty of other Yankees fans that have come and gone on this place that fit your description, but not him, that's for sure. If that were the case, he'd been banned long ago

 

Partly true. There are two Jackos posting here. One is rational and contributes a lot of useful information to the site. The other one is an outright Yankees troll who seizes every opportunity to point out anything derogatory, negative, or otherwise questionable about the Red Sox. He just posts enough good stuff to get a pass on the trolling stuff.

[harmony]

To my understanding, what we were "allegedly" doing wasn't nearly as bad as the Astros. I have a friend, who while biased as a Yankees fan, is well-informed on these matters. I'm not exactly sure what it is we were doing, but he said it was the same thing that basically every team does now, except we took it too far by using technology

Righthander Mike Fiers, who reportedly turned in the Houston Astros, has played for four teams, including two clubs after the Astros, in his nine-year MLB career.

 

If every team does it, why did Fiers apparently limit his disclosure to the Astros?