2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[moonslav59]

Good sentence structure and no misspelled words. Surprising. However, you should have inserted a period, exclamation point or question mark after 'sell.'

 

I think he meant "Sell!"

 

But I don't want to read to much into his complex post.

[Kimmi]

I think he meant "Sell!"

 

But I don't want to read to much into his complex post.

 

Maybe he meant "Sell?" As in, "Are you guys crazy?"

[dgalehouse]

Maybe he meant "Sell?" As in, "Are you guys crazy?"

 

You have to get a copy of the " Stork to English dictionary. ".

[a700hitter]

We have no quality big league arms in our bullpen.

Red Sox Interested In Ken Giles, Kirby Yates

 

July 21st, 2019 at 10:49pm CST • By Mark Polishuk

While Nathan Eovaldi has been slated to become Boston’s closer, the Red Sox continue to monitor the closer market, with MLB.com’s Jon Paul Morosi (via Twitter) reporting that the Sox have “active interest” in the Blue Jays’ Ken Giles and the Padres’ Kirby Yates.

The bullpen has been seen as a longstanding problem for the Sox dating back to the offseason, when the team seemed content to let Craig Kimbrel leave in free agency and then more or less stand pat with its relief options. That strategy has resulted in some pretty inconsistent results from the Red Sox pen this season, with Eovaldi’s recent role change seen as a two birds-with-one stone idea that would both help preserve Eovaldi’s elbow and get him back on a mound quicker, and also address Boston’s need for a stable closer.

Of course, Eovaldi has no experience closing games, so it makes sense that the Sox would at least be checking into options like Yates and Giles to see if another move was possible. That said, there are a lot of obstacles standing in the way of a trade for either closer. The Jays have a big asking price on Giles, while the Padres would reportedly only trade Yates for “an overwhelming offer.” Ergo, acquiring either right-hander would require the Sox to dig deep into an already-thin farm system.

In a pure bidding war for young minor leaguers, it seems unlikely that the Sox would be able to outbid most other interested suitors for either Giles or Yates, and their normal financial might (in terms of taking on money to accommodate trades) is limited by the team’s close proximity to the top luxury tax threshold of $246MM. Neither Giles or Yates are on particularly big salaries, though every dollar counts considering Roster Resource has Boston’s luxury tax number at just under $244MM.

While high-profile trades between division rivals are usually pretty rare, the Red Sox and Blue Jays combined on a notable deal just last summer, when the Sox acquired future World Series MVP from Toronto. By contrast, one wonders if the Sox could actually have a tougher time completing a trade with the Padres given the controversy that erupted between the two clubs over the Drew Pomeranz deal in July 2016. That said, San Diego and Boston have combined on one swap since the Pomeranz trade, the relatively minor deal last November that saw Colten Brewer go to the Sox.

If nothing else, Boston’s interest in Giles and Yates indicates that the team still sees itself as a contender and a buyer at the trade deadline. At this point, however, it seems like the Sox are vying only for a wild card spot, as Boston sits 11 games behind the Yankees in the AL East race. The Red Sox are three games behind Oakland for the final AL wild card berth, and with a tough road to travel just to get to a one-game playoff, there has been some suggestion (from both the Boston Globe’s Peter Abraham and MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo) that the Sox should consider trading some veterans to unload salary and restock on young talent for another run in 2020.

Boston’s next 14 games are all against either the Yankees or the Rays, with eight of those games coming before the July 31 trade deadline. Both Abraham and Cotillo cite this upcoming stretch as the potential turning point of the Red Sox season, with Abraham describing the team’s July 29 off-day as “the organization’s deadline to decide whether this season is worth trying to save.”

[moonslav59]

Eovaldi & Workman and Barnes in any other given year.

[notin]

We have no quality big league arms in our bullpen.

 

But then the last line in that article sets a deadline to determine buying and selling...

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I think the Red Sox best trade asset is Chavis or Dalbec. They are similar players--power and strikeouts--and I'm not sure if the Red Sox want to go into the future with both players in their starting lineup. Moreover, they are both corner infielders and the Red Sox already have a stud in Devers. I'm not convinced Chavis can handle second base defensively.

 

If the Red Sox don't trade one of them now, it would make sense to trade one in the offseason for relief help.

[notin]

Sox won’t decide on buying/selling until August...

[moonslav59]

Sox won’t decide on buying/selling until August...

 

Past the deadline?

[illinoisredsox]

Sox won’t decide on buying/selling until August...

 

New rules this year; no trades after July 31.

 

You can still pick up a player in August if he is put on outright waivers and you claim him or he is released, but no trades are allowed.

[harmony]

An MLB.com columnist has 20 trade deadline predictions for for 20 player, including Mets corner infielder Todd Frazier to the Red Sox (despite the balance of his 2019 salary of $9 million):

 

20 predictions for 2019 MLB Trade Deadline

WWW.MLB.COM

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The 2019 Trade Deadline is a week from Wednesday (4 p.m. ET on July 31), and as you've probably heard, it's a little different this year. There's no August waiver period this time around, and therefore if teams want to make moves to reinforce a playoff push, they've only got

[a700hitter]

An MLB.com columnist has 20 trade deadline predictions for for 20 player, including Mets corner infielder Todd Frazier to the Red Sox (despite the balance of his 2019 salary of $9 million):

 

20 predictions for 2019 MLB Trade Deadline

WWW.MLB.COM

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The 2019 Trade Deadline is a week from Wednesday (4 p.m. ET on July 31), and as you've probably heard, it's a little different this year. There's no August waiver period this time around, and therefore if teams want to make moves to reinforce a playoff push, they've only got

I am not seeing that.

[Sox75]

I'm all for a trade that helps this team get better, but anybody in favor or trading JDM, Mookie, Bogie, Beni, Devers, etc, has a screw loose.

 

Trades should be to make your team better. With a contender, which the Red Sox better be for the next 5+ years, trades should be ALL ABOUT making our team better now. You don't trade away GREAT PLAYERS on the promise of getting a good player. It makes no sense, unless the Sox are suddenly going to go with the youth, that does not exist. We HAVE THE YOUTH & the stars right NOW.

 

It's FLAT OUT BEEN a HANGOVER SEASON, & the major problem has been the PITCHING! PITCHING ... PITCHING....PITCHING ....

 

& let's face FACTS. The SR has burnt an otherwise decent BP the f*** out. It is ALL ABOUT the SR, & Porcello and Sale have been straight up horrific.

 

Sure, a few guys have had disappointing years, i.e. Beni, Mookie, JBJ, but IT IS NOT TIME to sell off the STARS in pursuit of making the team "better."

 

Anyway... I trust Dom is not this STUPID, so I won't worry.

[notin]

New rules this year; no trades after July 31.

 

You can still pick up a player in August if he is put on outright waivers and you claim him or he is released, but no trades are allowed.

 

I am aware.

 

My comment was meant to be a sarcastic reflection of the “involvement” of Dombrowski this season...

[moonslav59]

I'm all for a trade that helps this team get better, but anybody in favor or trading JDM, Mookie, Bogie, Beni, Devers, etc, has a screw loose.

 

Trades should be to make your team better. With a contender, which the Red Sox better be for the next 5+ years, trades should be ALL ABOUT making our team better now. You don't trade away GREAT PLAYERS on the promise of getting a good player. It makes no sense, unless the Sox are suddenly going to go with the youth, that does not exist. We HAVE THE YOUTH & the stars right NOW.

 

It's FLAT OUT BEEN a HANGOVER SEASON, & the major problem has been the PITCHING! PITCHING ... PITCHING....PITCHING ....

 

& let's face FACTS. The SR has burnt an otherwise decent BP the f*** out. It is ALL ABOUT the SR, & Porcello and Sale have been straight up horrific.

 

Sure, a few guys have had disappointing years, i.e. Beni, Mookie, JBJ, but IT IS NOT TIME to sell off the STARS in pursuit of making the team "better."

 

Anyway... I trust Dom is not this STUPID, so I won't worry.

 

I don't see anyway we stay highly competitive for 5+ years, unless Henry goes over the max line several times, even considerably over.

 

I guess it could happen, but I seriously doubt it.

 

Within today's system, it is hard to rebuild your farm by finishing 81-81 3 years in a row, even if you stay under the first tax line.

[S5Dewey]

I don't see anyway we stay highly competitive for 5+ years, unless Henry goes over the max line several times, even considerably over.

 

I guess it could happen, but I seriously doubt it.

 

Within today's system, it is hard to rebuild your farm by finishing 81-81 3 years in a row, even if you stay under the first tax line.

 

MLB's march toward mediocrity for all continues.

[Bellhorn04]

MLB's march toward mediocrity for all continues.

 

Personally I don't have a problem with the measures that try to instill some parity. Especially because we still have an advantage.

[notin]

Personally I don't have a problem with the measures that try to instill some parity. Especially because we still have an advantage.

 

The last thing MLB needs is to remain a league where only the teams with financial wherewithal can win anything.

[S5Dewey]

The last thing MLB needs is to remain a league where only the teams with financial wherewithal can win anything.

 

Then you have to be happy with what's happening to the Red Sox. They spent big, won in '18, and now they're in 3rd place in their division because they're hamstrung with salary and drafting limits set by MLB to induce mediocrity.

[Bellhorn04]

Then you have to be happy with what's happening to the Red Sox. They spent big, won in '18, and now they're in 3rd place in their division because they're hamstrung with salary and drafting limits set by MLB to induce mediocrity.

 

Or is it World Series hangover, and underperformance? We've got the same team back.

[harmony]

Then you have to be happy with what's happening to the Red Sox. They spent big, won in '18, and now they're in 3rd place in their division because they're hamstrung with salary and drafting limits set by MLB to induce mediocrity.

And yet this year the Yankees, Astros and Dodgers are not mediocre.

[S5Dewey]

And yet this year the Yankees, Astros and Dodgers are not mediocre.

 

The Yankees and Dodgers are doing exactly what MLB wants them do to, become mediocre, then rebuild. In fact, the same can be said about the Sox and the 'Stros. They were mediocre (or worse) got the draft pics, then rebuilt.

 

By "mediocrity" I meant parity with the average of all teams being mediocre over a period of years.

 

But you're much more "cerebral" than we Red Sox fans, so you already knew that.

[harmony]

The Yankees and Dodgers are doing exactly what MLB wants them do to, become mediocre, then rebuild. In fact, the same can be said about the Sox and the 'Stros. They were mediocre (or worse) got the draft pics, then rebuilt.

 

By "mediocrity" I meant parity with the average of all teams being mediocre over a period of years.

 

But you're much more "cerebral" than we Red Sox fans, so you already knew that.

And my posts will continue to refrain from becoming personal.

[Maxbialystock]

Then you have to be happy with what's happening to the Red Sox. They spent big, won in '18, and now they're in 3rd place in their division because they're hamstrung with salary and drafting limits set by MLB to induce mediocrity.

 

Gotta agree with the basic point that the luxury tax is intended to make it harder to buy the best team every year. It also keeps the lousy franchises solvent.

[S5Dewey]

And my posts will continue to refrain from becoming personal.

 

I'm just reinforcing what you already said.

 

Hubris: "excessive pride or self-confidence; arrogance"

Edited July 23, 2019 by S5Dewey

[jacksonianmarch]

There’s a difference between staying good and pushing all your chips in. The Yanks have managed to be mediocre and then become great. They did this because they didn’t rape and pillage their farm. DD did that. He also happened to draft very poorly and put almost no effort into the INTL forum. This caused a talent void. Once the first wave of kept prospects got expensive, the only way to stay great was to spend. Once money becomes tight, you’re done.

[harmony]

I'm just reinforcing what you already said.

 

Hubris: "excessive pride or self-confidence; arrogance"

Posts should refrain from using the words "you" and "I" (unless offering a compliment:)).

 

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

 

-- Eleanor Roosevelt

[S5Dewey]

Posts should refrain from using the words "you" and "I" (unless offering a compliment:)).

 

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

 

-- Eleanor Roosevelt

I reserve the right to quote prior posts.

 

Talksox. "A realistic view of 2019 Part II" Post #798 7/17/19, 5:48 pm

 

"Red Sox fans tend to be visceral while Mariner fans tend to be cerebral. Sox fans revel in the instant joy of a win or a World Series title while Mariner fans tend to be problem-solvers entranced by the troubles of their favorite franchise."

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

-Eleanor Roosevelt

[Swiharts Ghost]

There’s a difference between staying good and pushing all your chips in. The Yanks have managed to be mediocre and then become great. They did this because they didn’t rape and pillage their farm. DD did that. He also happened to draft very poorly and put almost no effort into the INTL forum. This caused a talent void. Once the first wave of kept prospects got expensive, the only way to stay great was to spend. Once money becomes tight, you’re done.

 

Jackson my favorite Yankee fan your team is neither great or has proven s*** yet .

[harmony]

I reserve the right to quote prior posts.

 

Talksox. "A realistic view of 2019 Part II" Post #798 7/17/19, 5:48 pm

 

"Red Sox fans tend to be visceral while Mariner fans tend to be cerebral. Sox fans revel in the instant joy of a win or a World Series title while Mariner fans tend to be problem-solvers entranced by the troubles of their favorite franchise."

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

-Eleanor Roosevelt

Thanks.

 

That's the idea, not a personal reference to an identifiable individual. The passage was prefaced by: "Generalizations have little value but ..."

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/19360-A-Realistic-View-at-2019-Part-II/page54

Edited July 23, 2019 by harmony