Who Should the Red Sox Trade For?

[SoxHop]

hand him a blank contract and tell him to fill in the numbers. it will be a bargain.

 

I'm on board with this. And I've never said that about any other player.

[mvp 78]

My 6 year old only knows 2 current Sox players: Mookie and Beni. They definitely need to sign Mookie no matter what. If he goes, it'll be a huge black mark on this franchise for a long time (worse than Fisk leaving).

[Slasher9]

OK....so...yesterday i tried to find us a 2bman. and then Wright went down so that scrapped that.

do we need another starter? a veteran? a righthanded starter? someone to slot in and eat some innings to save Sale's bullets?

there are many others that i would rather have but dont think we have the pieces or the salary cap room to get. here is who i think we might be able to get. the question is...do we really want any of them?

 

Pittsburgh: might want to move Ivan Nova. he has 1.5 years left on a $26MM contract.

obviously he has pitched in the ALE before so that should not be an issue. he would be a BOTR starter to eat some innings.

 

Minnesota Twins: Kyle Gibson. under team control until 2020.

 

White Sox: James Shields. another former ALE pitcher. at the way tail end of his career now. but perhaps one last shot at a World Series can motivate him and we catch lightning in a bottle? he's in the final year of a $18.75 AAV contract.

 

San Diego: Tyson Ross. having a decent season in his "im about to be a FA" year. not sure what it would take to get him as a rental but this would probably be my first choice.

[mvp 78]

OK....so...yesterday i tried to find us a 2bman. and then Wright went down so that scrapped that.

do we need another starter? a veteran? a righthanded starter? someone to slot in and eat some innings to save Sale's bullets?

there are many others that i would rather have but dont think we have the pieces or the salary cap room to get. here is who i think we might be able to get. the question is...do we really want any of them?

 

Pittsburgh: might want to move Ivan Nova. he has 1.5 years left on a $26MM contract.

obviously he has pitched in the ALE before so that should not be an issue. he would be a BOTR starter to eat some innings.

 

Minnesota Twins: Kyle Gibson. under team control until 2020.

 

White Sox: James Shields. another former ALE pitcher. at the way tail end of his career now. but perhaps one last shot at a World Series can motivate him and we catch lightning in a bottle? he's in the final year of a $18.75 AAV contract.

 

San Diego: Tyson Ross. having a decent season in his "im about to be a FA" year. not sure what it would take to get him as a rental but this would probably be my first choice.

 

Maybe Tyson Ross? Otherwise, I can't imagine Shields et al being that more valuable than Johnson, Beeks or Velazquez.

[SoxHop]

OK....so...yesterday i tried to find us a 2bman. and then Wright went down so that scrapped that.

do we need another starter? a veteran? a righthanded starter? someone to slot in and eat some innings to save Sale's bullets?

there are many others that i would rather have but dont think we have the pieces or the salary cap room to get. here is who i think we might be able to get. the question is...do we really want any of them?

 

Pittsburgh: might want to move Ivan Nova. he has 1.5 years left on a $26MM contract.

obviously he has pitched in the ALE before so that should not be an issue. he would be a BOTR starter to eat some innings.

 

Minnesota Twins: Kyle Gibson. under team control until 2020.

 

White Sox: James Shields. another former ALE pitcher. at the way tail end of his career now. but perhaps one last shot at a World Series can motivate him and we catch lightning in a bottle? he's in the final year of a $18.75 AAV contract.

 

San Diego: Tyson Ross. having a decent season in his "im about to be a FA" year. not sure what it would take to get him as a rental but this would probably be my first choice.

 

How do you know these other players on other teams so well? Do you play fantasy baseball?

[vegasbob]

Everyone feels this way....

 

now.

Let's see Jackie hold .200 for a week before voting him an All-Star. I hope does go on his streak and if he will go with pitches to left field he may well have it figured out. But only if he could bunt too

[Slasher9]

How do you know these other players on other teams so well? Do you play fantasy baseball?

not for a few years. and when i did play fantasy baseball i was pretty terrible at it.

this time of year as teams start to drop out of the race is when i start looking at possible acquisitions. 90% of it is just stat based research. but when i lock in on someone (right now it's baez) i will follow their AB's or (pitching starts) on the directv baseball package. what i rarely get to see is the defensive play of players not on Sox (or playing against Sox). for that i have to rely on dWar which as we have all agreed to argue about is an imperfect measurement.

in a year like this one it is even more difficult to come up with trade possibilities. not only has DD decimated the Farm (as expected) but we are also bumping up against the top LT threshold. it very much limits what we can do so while i would love to trade for De Grom....there is not a chance that can happen.

[notin]

not for a few years. and when i did play fantasy baseball i was pretty terrible at it.

this time of year as teams start to drop out of the race is when i start looking at possible acquisitions. 90% of it is just stat based research. but when i lock in on someone (right now it's baez) i will follow their AB's or (pitching starts) on the directv baseball package. what i rarely get to see is the defensive play of players not on Sox (or playing against Sox). for that i have to rely on dWar which as we have all agreed to argue about is an imperfect measurement.

in a year like this one it is even more difficult to come up with trade possibilities. not only has DD decimated the Farm (as expected) but we are also bumping up against the top LT threshold. it very much limits what we can do so while i would love to trade for De Grom....there is not a chance that can happen.

 

I think Kyle Gibson might be harder to get than DeGrom. That extra year of control has proven to be very pricey with pitching.

 

The Red Sox can probably get Shields for next to nothing and might even be able to get the White Sox to pick up some salary. This still doesn't necessarily make it a good deal.

[Natick to NC]

I don't think the Cubs are even entertaining offers for Baez. He's one of best young position players in the MLB.

 

Watched him last night .There is no way we are getting Baez unless it's for Chris Sale .Who can we get? I don't think JEdi 2.0 cuts it for the lefty need .

[Kimmi]

Mookie is probably one of those rare players that a GM should gamble on, as painful as it may end up being.

The Sox didn't do themselves any favors by forcing him into arbitration.

 

If there is a player I'd give a 10 year deal to, it would be Mookie. But I just can't go there.

[Kimmi]

I'm with you, and I think if you jump the arb years and offer lifetime financial security to Betts and his future family lineage, he might agree to a little less.

 

I'd have no problem giving him the highest salary in MLB history at 10 years. I'd go 12, if it started now.

 

hand him a blank contract and tell him to fill in the numbers. it will be a bargain.

 

Shuddering at the thought.

[Kimmi]

Yup. I am with you on this.

 

We see these types of deals go bad time and time again (almost always), but as soon as the next really good player comes along, we all want to hand him a similar contract. I would really hate to see Mookie walk, but I can't see paying him what I think he's going to command.

[moonslav59]

We see these types of deals go bad time and time again (almost always), but as soon as the next really good player comes along, we all want to hand him a similar contract. I would really hate to see Mookie walk, but I can't see paying him what I think he's going to command.

 

I don't disagree, but most of the real bad super long term deal involve players who are signed for a significant amount of years beyond 34 or 35. Betts will start his free agency at age 28. He's play 7 years up to age 34, and I'm thinking he will age well. His last 3 seasons would be at 35, 36 and 37 not 92 like Pujols.

 

If there ever was a player....

 

I'd even sign Betts to 12 years right now by buying out his arb years.

 

I might even sign him to 1 at age 28 (last year at age 39).

[Natick to NC]

I am always in the minority on these things but when the world goes right I stop and think maybe it's worth it to hang a left with a few folks .Mookie if I'm GM gets the largest deal in the history of The Redsox 10 years with two team options 1 player option a ton of all star incentives a ton for Gold Gloves and the key to the city for the MVP and triple crown ...Mookie is the Face of Boston once Brady Retires back up the truck ....Moon beat me to it . Edited June 27, 2018 by Natick to NC

[Bellhorn04]

If there is a player I'd give a 10 year deal to, it would be Mookie. But I just can't go there.

 

How about an 8 year extension on top of his final 2 arb years?

[MADSTORK]

Some may disagree, but I wouldn't trade 2 very good everyday players for one starting pitcher. I realize that one has to give up something to get something, but Bogey and Beni would be too much to give up. I just wish the SOX could put together a package of prospects like they did to get Sale, but, unfortunately, the prospect shelves are empty right now.

 

DeGrom is 30. Not going to cost a superstar player or players. A Level Prospects should get it done? Its lefty dominate rotation vs Yanks and Houston for a Pennant. DeGrom is the power pitcher u need to have a shot at a Title. I would put ERod and Groome on the table and if that doesn't get the Mets attention ###k em!

[moonslav59]

How about an 8 year extension on top of his final 2 arb years?

 

He may think he can get 10 after the arb years. If we juice up the arb year salaries to more than he'd likely get, he may go for it.

 

I might just give him 11 or 12 now.

 

 

[MADSTORK]

Not really. I said maybe, and besides, the Cubs won't take 1 year of Porcello for 3 years of Baez.

 

 

Epstein has balls of steel. Torres for chapman won a series. Not out of the ? he deals for a SP, which outside of Lester they don't have this year.

 

Dump porcello for a legit 2B prospect and move on DeGrom with Erod and Groome your going to win a Ring

[moonslav59]

DeGrom is 30. Not going to cost a superstar player or players. A Level Prospects should get it done? Its lefty dominate rotation vs Yanks and Houston for a Pennant. DeGrom is the power pitcher u need to have a shot at a Title. I would put ERod and Groome on the table and if that doesn't get the Mets attention ###k em!

 

At least he's got 1 more arb year.

 

Tough call

[a700hitter]

Zach Britton has been stinking out the place since his return. I don’t want to touch that guy.

[SoxHop]

Zach Britton has been stinking out the place since his return. I don’t want to touch that guy.

 

Can we sign him if he promises to be like 2015 Britton?

[Natick to NC]

Epstein has balls of steel. Torres for chapman won a series. Not out of the ? he deals for a SP, which outside of Lester they don't have this year.

 

Dump porcello for a legit 2B prospect and move on DeGrom with Erod and Groome your going to win a Ring

you are hired

[a700hitter]

The Giants have released veteran infielder Josh Rutledge from their Triple-A affiliate in Sacramento, tweets Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle. He’d been playing there on a minor league pact signed back in December.

He might help as a late inning defensive replacement at 3B.

[moonslav59]

He might help as a late inning defensive replacement at 3B.

 

Lin is probably better.

[Jasonbay44]

Please no more Josh Rutledge. I've had enough of him in my life.

[Kimmi]

I don't disagree, but most of the real bad super long term deal involve players who are signed for a significant amount of years beyond 34 or 35. Betts will start his free agency at age 28. He's play 7 years up to age 34, and I'm thinking he will age well. His last 3 seasons would be at 35, 36 and 37 not 92 like Pujols.

 

If there ever was a player....

 

I'd even sign Betts to 12 years right now by buying out his arb years.

 

I might even sign him to 1 at age 28 (last year at age 39).

 

There are some players who are surer bets than others, and Betts seems to be one of those. Even so, players start declining at about age 28. Having Betts signed through even age 37 is a huge risk.

[Kimmi]

How about an 8 year extension on top of his final 2 arb years?

 

I wouldn't do it. During the offseason, we talked about a 10 year deal which included his 3 arb years, meaning an extension of 7 years. Even that is too much, IMO, but for Mookie, I could accept that.

 

What I'd really like to see is an 8 year deal from now which includes his final 2 arb years.

[Kimmi]

He may think he can get 10 after the arb years. If we juice up the arb year salaries to more than he'd likely get, he may go for it.

 

I might just give him 11 or 12 now.

 

 

Yikes, Moon.

[S5Dewey]

He may think he can get 10 after the arb years. If we juice up the arb year salaries to more than he'd likely get, he may go for it.

 

I might just give him 11 or 12 now.

 

 

 

Yep. Me too. As much as I dislike the situation we're now in with Pedroia I still don't think signing him when we did for what we did was a bad idea.

 

I'd sign Mookie to a long term deal, then hope Machado gets traded to a NL team so he doesn't get a chance to shorten the career of another of our players.

[OH FOY]

Mookie will be 29 when he becomes a FA. 2021, not giving any player a 10 year contract. Team killers. Smart move is move him a year he becomes a FA, get all you can and keep building for the Future.

I hope the Owners finally see, stop with this money crap, its great for a couple of years, then your backed into a Corner.

You have to develop, that's the secret to sustaining success.

This current team is on the clock right now, put the money and time into getting the Farm stronger.

Edited June 28, 2018 by OH FOY!