Who Should the Red Sox Trade For?

[OH FOY]

This^^ Lets see if he can get those tree trunks to start doing good in A Ball first.

[moonslav59]

Devers or Benny gets Degrom and I'd do it in a cocaine heartbeat

 

4.5 years of Beni or 5.5 years of Devers for 1.5 of degrom?

 

Who plays LF or 3B?

 

Don't say Swihart, or I'll never speak to you again!

[Kimmi]

Betts is having a better one for a lot less money...

 

Of course. That was just my failed attempt at being funny.

[Kimmi]

If it's $1.5 by Toronto and $1.5M for us, I have us at close to zero to spend and stay under the max line.

 

We can still make trades, if this happens:

 

1) We decide to go over the max and pay the penalties.

 

2) Get the team we trade with to pay enough cash to even out the swap budget cost by giving more than what normally might be needed.

 

3) Dump some salary of our own to create budget space for an addition or two.

 

Pro-rated dollars at the deadline (basically, 1/3 of 2018 salary):

 

$2.8M Pom

$1.4M Nunez

$1.3M Kelly

$800K Holt

$700K Thornburg

$600K Leon

 

Remember, when we trade for a player, we will only be on the hook for 1/3 of their 2018 salary, so that is all that will count against our budget (minus what the other team might pay). It looked like Toronto wasn't looking to save money as much as they were looking to get a better prospect for Pearce. Maybe similar deals are out there that might add nothing to our budget.

 

I thought the $1.5 mil would give us a little more wiggle room.

 

A couple of things that Dombrowski has stated recently:

 

1. While the team would prefer to stay under the $237 threshold, they will go over if necessary. Not that I believe that for a second.

2. Dombrowski is hopeful that pen reinforcements can come from within. In particular, from Thornburg and Pom. Maybe that's just posturing, or maybe he really doesn't feel the need to add a reliever.

 

I can see Dombrowski doing #2 or #3 on your list. I really can't see the Sox going over the max.

[moonslav59]

I thought the $1.5 mil would give us a little more wiggle room.

 

A couple of things that Dombrowski has stated recently:

 

1. While the team would prefer to stay under the $237 threshold, they will go over if necessary. Not that I believe that for a second.

2. Dombrowski is hopeful that pen reinforcements can come from within. In particular, from Thornburg and Pom. Maybe that's just posturing, or maybe he really doesn't feel the need to add a reliever.

 

I can see Dombrowski doing #2 or #3 on your list. I really can't see the Sox going over the max.

 

Pearce was due about $3M, so half of that puts us right up to the max line.

 

I'm hoping Wirkman can be one answer for the pen from within.

[Natick to NC]

4.5 years of Beni or 5.5 years of Devers for 1.5 of degrom?

 

Who plays LF or 3B?

 

Don't say Swihart, or I'll never speak to you again!

 

Lol that's awesome .Moon I wouldn't trade Devers maybe Benni but I'd want a one for 1 ain't happening man .

[harmony]

Boston Globe columnist Nick Cafardo reports that the Red Sox and Houston Astros are interested in Cincinnati reliever Raisel Iglesias:

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/06/30/alex-rodriguez-talks-red-sox-yankees-david-price-wild-card-format-and-more/XjAlTKyAuxoaVtEuLce50M/story.html?p1=Team_LeadArticle

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/06/red-sox-notes-iglesias-deadline-lind-chavis.html

 

I can't imagine the Reds would be willing to pay any of 2018 salary of $5.214 million of Iglesias, who remains under team contract through 2020 at a total cost of about $12.5 million (although Iglesias reportedly can opt into arbitration after this season). As a result, Iglesias would likely have serious luxury tax implications.

Edited June 30, 2018 by harmony

[Natick to NC]

Harmony good catch he looks really good Edited July 1, 2018 by Natick to NC

[MADSTORK]

Boston Globe columnist Nick Cafardo reports that the Red Sox and Houston Astros are interested in Cincinnati reliever Raisel Iglesias:

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/06/30/alex-rodriguez-talks-red-sox-yankees-david-price-wild-card-format-and-more/XjAlTKyAuxoaVtEuLce50M/story.html?p1=Team_LeadArticle

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/06/red-sox-notes-iglesias-deadline-lind-chavis.html

 

I can't imagine the Reds would be willing to pay any of 2018 salary of $5.214 million of Iglesias, who remains under team contract through 2020 at a total cost of about $12.5 million (although Iglesias reportedly can opt into arbitration after this season). As a result, Iglesias would likely have serious luxury tax implications.

 

Not if you trade the three stooges!

[moonslav59]

Not if you trade the three stooges!

 

So...

 

Trade Kelly for a prospect.

 

Trade Barnes for a prospect.

 

Trade Hembree for a prospect.

 

Trade three prospects for a couple of non stooges.

 

Kimbrel

 

Non stooge

 

Non stooge

 

Buttrey

 

Workman

 

Velazquez

 

Scott/Poyner/Walden

 

Send out for the ring sizes.

[Bellhorn04]

Not if you trade the three stooges!

 

Hey STORK, do you remember this post you made on April 14? It's in the 2018 Bullpen thread if you want to go look it up.

 

Hembree 8IP 8H 5ER

 

Reed 8IP 1ER 9K

 

Priceless

 

So since you made that post here are some numbers:

 

Reed

IP 30

ERA 5.10

OPS against .911

 

Hembree

IP 27

ERA 3.00

OPS against .666

 

Contracts are also worth mentioning:

Reed 2 years 16.75 million

Hembree 1 year 582 K

 

Now who are the stooges and who is the idiot?

[Slasher9]

Hey STORK, do you remember this post you made on April 14? It's in the 2018 Bullpen thread if you want to go look it up.

 

Hembree 8IP 8H 5ER

 

Reed 8IP 1ER 9K

 

Priceless

 

So since you made that post here are some numbers:

 

Reed

IP 30

ERA 5.10

OPS against .911

 

Hembree

IP 27

ERA 3.00

OPS against .666

 

Contracts are also worth mentioning:

Reed 2 years 16.75 million

Hembree 1 year 582 K

 

Now who are the stooges and who is the idiot?

 

Hahahaha. BURN.

[Slasher9]

4.5 years of Beni or 5.5 years of Devers for 1.5 of degrom?

 

Who plays LF or 3B?

 

Don't say Swihart, or I'll never speak to you again!

I would do beni for de grom for the run at a 2018 parade. We would have to blow past 237 and bring up our outfielder in purgatory......

[notin]

I would do beni for de grom for the run at a 2018 parade. We would have to blow past 237 and bring up our outfielder in purgatory......

 

I wouldn't trade Beni for deGrom. Benintendi has a huge role on this team going forward by making Betts more affordable.

 

But if the Sox want to add another pitcher, Dan Straily might be a bit cheaper than deGrom.

 

(And while I like the idea of bringing up Castillo, Dombrowski seems dead set against it and has not been a Castillo fan since the day he saw him audition.)...

[Bellhorn04]

(And while I like the idea of bringing up Castillo, Dombrowski seems dead set against it and has not been a Castillo fan since the day he saw him audition.)...

 

I think Dombrowski would feel much more kindly disposed toward Castillo if it wasn't for the tax implications.

[Thunder]

How about this: We just swap our entire 2018 team for the entire 2017 Astros team

[notin]

I think Dombrowski would feel much more kindly disposed toward Castillo if it wasn't for the tax implications.

 

When Castillo tried out for the MLB GM's and scouts - the same audition Cherington saw - Dombrowski reportedly left, telling the press Castillo was "nothing more than a fourth outfielder."

 

I don't think he is a big Castillo fan, and certainly not at the price.

 

I think he sells Castillo short and Rusney could certainly be a starting outfielder in MLB, but I do get why he is kept in limbo and can't say it doesn't make sense...

[notin]

How about this: We just swap our entire 2018 team for the entire 2017 Astros team

 

The Astros wouldn't do that. They already cut JD Martinez once...

[Bellhorn04]

When Castillo tried out for the MLB GM's and scouts - the same audition Cherington saw - Dombrowski reportedly left, telling the press Castillo was "nothing more than a fourth outfielder."

 

I don't think he is a big Castillo fan, and certainly not at the price.

 

I think he sells Castillo short and Rusney could certainly be a starting outfielder in MLB, but I do get why he is kept in limbo and can't say it doesn't make sense...

 

I think the only way Castillo has a future in Boston is if they trade JBJ this offseason. Which might make sense, although it could be painful.

[notin]

I think the only way Castillo has a future in Boston is if they trade JBJ this offseason. Which might make sense, although it could be painful.

 

I withhold thoughts on how painful it would be until I see what would change come back.

 

I’d rather have Bradley than Castillo, too.

 

The crazy long shot would be putting Castillo in RF and moving Betts back to 2B.

[moonslav59]

I would do beni for de grom for the run at a 2018 parade. We would have to blow past 237 and bring up our outfielder in purgatory......

 

I wouldn't do it. The gain at SP'er barely outweighs the loss on offense, but the years of control kill the suggestion, for me.

 

I'm still holding onto a sliver of hope we'll be somewhat competitive after 2019. This trade would kill all hope. We'd not only lose Beni's prime years (after 2019), but we'd have draft penalties that would affect us even longer than that.

 

If we did make the trade, we'd probably use Pearce & JD in LF and have Holt/Nunez as back-ups. I doubt we'd bring Castillo up, since his contract would hurt us for the next 2 years after this all-out season.

 

IMO, we really should just stop talking about bringing Castillo up, unless he gets to an 1.150+ OPS at AAA, and someone gets hurt.

[moonslav59]

I think Dombrowski would feel much more kindly disposed toward Castillo if it wasn't for the tax implications.

 

Agreed, but once we bring him up, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. His salary would have a major impact for 2 more years after this one. It just cannot happen.

[Spudboy]

Hahahaha. BURN.

 

Hahahaha!11

 

Mega-burn.

[MADSTORK]

Hey STORK, do you remember this post you made on April 14? It's in the 2018 Bullpen thread if you want to go look it up.

 

Hembree 8IP 8H 5ER

 

Reed 8IP 1ER 9K

 

Priceless

 

So since you made that post here are some numbers:

 

Reed

IP 30

ERA 5.10

OPS against .911

 

Hembree

IP 27

ERA 3.00

OPS against .666

 

Contracts are also worth mentioning:

Reed 2 years 16.75 million

Hembree 1 year 582 K

 

Now who are the stooges and who is the idiot? [/quote

 

I’ll take Reed over the 3 stooges come pennant race or playoff time any day of the week

[Natick to NC]

Dombro was pressed again on trades and he said once again the threshold has no bearing whatsoever if he can make the right trade and improve the club ...he gave some canned response bout waiting on Pom who he said looks great lol guess Poms on the block and saying Thornburg could help a lot if he's healthy .He acknowledged that Pedey is a mess now no would tie a lot of time to return think late August people ...so he did say Brandon Philips time in fort Meyers is on him meaning get ready fast ya bastard we need you now ....I read Dave this way .Dave has deals 70 percent worked out but is going to go all in with the right move .Dave talked about weakness and improving those spots ....Catcher ,2b and maybe 1st ???? Will he get Abreu ? Will he go all in on Manny and Adam Jones ??? Is there Realmutto possibility ?

[harmony]

David Price has $142 million remaining on his contract through 2022 at an AAV of $31 million. Price may opt out after this season.

 

Seattle second baseman Robinson Cano has $126 million remaining on his contract through 2023 at an AAV of $24 million. Cano has a full no-trade clause.

 

Cano is suspended until August 15 and is not eligible for the postseason roster.

 

Would the Red Sox trade Price straight up for Cano to gain $7 million annually* in space under the luxury tax threshold?

 

I doubt Seattle would take on an AAV salary of $31 million.

 

Just throwing out an idea that will never happen.

 

* except in 2023 when Cano is still owed $24 million after Price's contract runs out

Edited July 2, 2018 by harmony

[moonslav59]

David Price has $142 million remaining on his contract through 2022 at an AAV of $31 million. Price may opt out after this season.

 

Seattle second baseman Robinson Cano has $126 million remaining on his contract through 2023 at an AAV of $24 million. Cano has a full no-trade clause.

 

Cano is suspended until August 15 and is not eligible for the postseason roster.

 

Would the Red Sox trade Price straight up for Cano to gain $7 million annually* in space under the luxury tax threshold?

 

I doubt Seattle would take on an AAV salary of $31 million.

 

Just throwing out an idea that will never happen.

 

* except in 2023 when Cano is still owed $24 million after Price's contract runs out

 

I'd do it. I'd even throw in a prospect.

 

I'd also look to trade Pom, if he shows he's healthy.

 

With the money saved, maybe we could do more.

[oldtimer]

I'd do it. I'd even throw in a prospect.

 

I'd also look to trade Pom, if he shows he's healthy.

 

With the money saved, maybe we could do more.

 

Price isn't going anywhere so don't believe for a minute that can happen. DD made that acquisition and now we have to live with it. There is some value there, just not close to the contract we took on. Just another of our poor acquisitions. Most of us here disliked the contract and were outspoken about it. Kimmi doesn't like long term contracts in general and this one was for a past prime pitcher so worse than most. He will give us innings and probably have good games against weaker teams so we just have to live with it.

[S5Dewey]

Price isn't going anywhere so don't believe for a minute that can happen. DD made that acquisition and now we have to live with it. There is some value there, just not close to the contract we took on. Just another of our poor acquisitions. Most of us here disliked the contract and were outspoken about it. Kimmi doesn't like long term contracts in general and this one was for a past prime pitcher so worse than most. He will give us innings and probably have good games against weaker teams so we just have to live with it.

 

The good news is that Price's wins will get this team to the playoffs.

 

The bad news is that he can't be trusted to pitch in a playoff game.

[jung]

The good news is that Price's wins will get this team to the playoffs.

 

The bad news is that he can't be trusted to pitch in a playoff game.

 

Agreed, there is no possible way to give Price a post season start, not after last nights exhibition of big game futility. Just no way. Maybe they should bring his puppy dog to the clubhouse for hugs and comforts before he pitches in a big game.

 

He goes to the pen for the post for my money and only gets a start if the entire rotation falls apart physically leaving no option.