Who Should the Red Sox Trade For?

[OH FOY]

What 10 year + Contract has ever worked out? I mean way better numbers after you pay the big bucks? You pay more don't you expect way better results? 5 years I don't even like.

Long term contracts are not good because of one word, Injury. A whole career can change because of this.

Edited June 28, 2018 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

Yikes, Moon.

 

Let's say we give him 12 after the arb years.

 

4 years from 28-31

 

4 years from 32-35

 

4 years from 36-39

 

8 of 9 of the 12 years should be very productive.

 

That beats the hell out of most 8+ year deals given to 31 or 32 year olds, and those are the contracts giving long term deals a bad name.

[Bellhorn04]

What 10 year + Contract has ever worked out?

 

Manny Ramirez, Derek Jeter. Manny's was actually 8 years + 2 team option years I believe.

[SoxnCycles]

Manny Ramirez, Derek Jeter. Manny's was actually 8 years + 2 team option years I believe.

 

David Ortiz, if the Sox had done the right thing and given him one.

[moonslav59]

What 10 year + Contract has ever worked out? I mean way better numbers after you pay the big bucks? You pay more don't you expect way better results? 5 years I don't even like.

Long term contracts are not good because of one word, Injury. A whole career can change because of this.

 

What 10 year contract was ever given to a player under 27? This is a more accurate question to ask.

 

ARod signed at 25 (2001); under .910 just 2 out of 10 years and never under .847.

 

Stanton's extension started at age 25. He's got 9 years left. He'll only be 37 the last year of his deal.

 

Posey's started at 26 (9 year deal): Jury still out

 

Heyward's deal started at 26 and looks like a bust (8 years)

 

Jeter's deal started right at age 27: I'd say it was close to a wash. (Lots of debate on that call.)

 

Kemp's started at age 27 and was a bust for the most part.

 

Prince Fielder's contract started at age 28 and the injury made it a bust.

 

Joe Mauer's started at age 28 and has been a bust, IMO.

 

Altuve's (28) is a 7 year deal and just started.

 

Miggy's first year was at age 33: Bust

 

Pujols' first year was at age 32: Bust

 

Cano's first year was at age 31: Jury still out, but his highest 5 OPS years were all with NYY.

 

Votto's started at age 30: so far - very good.

 

Chris Davis at age 30: looks like bust, so far.

 

Teixeira started at 29- I'd say a let down

 

Manny's started at age 29 and was a success.

.

 

I might have missed someone, but these are all the 8+ year deals at $160M+.

 

Clearly, the younger the signee, the lower the chance of a bust.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

you are hired

 

If the SOX trade both POR and E-rod and pick up DeGrom. doesn't that leave the SOX one starter short? Also, who knows the future of Wright?

Edited June 28, 2018 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[Bellhorn04]

If the SOX trade both POR and E-rod and pick up DeGrom. doesn't that leave the SOX one starter short. Also, who knows the future of Wright?

 

Gotta love those MAD STORK proposals.

[moonslav59]

If the SOX trade both POR and E-rod and pick up DeGrom. doesn't that leave the SOX one starter short? Also, who knows the future of Wright?

 

Plus, why would NYM want Porcello, who has just 1 year left?

 

I suppose they could flip him for a young hitter.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Gotta love those MAD STORK proposals.

 

I'm sure he just wants to help. LOL.

[notin]

DeGrom is 30. Not going to cost a superstar player or players. A Level Prospects should get it done? Its lefty dominate rotation vs Yanks and Houston for a Pennant. DeGrom is the power pitcher u need to have a shot at a Title. I would put ERod and Groome on the table and if that doesn't get the Mets attention ###k em!

 

It probably won'y get their attention. Groome might not have as much trade value as you think right now...

[MADSTORK]

Gotta love those MAD STORK proposals.

 

 

The original reply was Porcello to cubs for 2B help.

Groome, Erod to mets for a shot at DeGrom. Sale DeGrom Price and a #4 Starter picked out of a hat gives you a far better chance at a ring then running out 3 LHP in the Playoffs. Plus, you clear another 22 million in 19 for the Bonanza or the resigning of Betts XB and whomever else comes about...

[Natick to NC]

One would argue JBJ has never been worth more LOL.....Degrom for JBJ 1 for 1 or pound sand .

[moonslav59]

One would argue JBJ has never been worth more LOL.....Degrom for JBJ 1 for 1 or pound sand .

 

You just said you did not want to trade JBJ.

[Larry Cook]

De grom is one of the best pitchers in baseball, the Mets need bats. Good bats.

 

Now that we have Pearce, we need to make a run at de grom. And yes, it will take quality to get quality.

 

Benintendi and bogey for de grom?

[Spudboy]

De grom is one of the best pitchers in baseball, the Mets need bats. Good bats.

 

Now that we have Pearce, we need to make a run at de grom. And yes, it will take quality to get quality.

 

Benintendi and bogey for de grom?

 

Not a f***ing chance would I do that deal.

[moonslav59]

De grom is one of the best pitchers in baseball, the Mets need bats. Good bats.

 

Now that we have Pearce, we need to make a run at de grom. And yes, it will take quality to get quality.

 

Benintendi and bogey for de grom?

 

I wouldn't give either one, and I'm all about great SP'ers.

 

If we had another SS, I'd think about Bogey, but beni has way too many years of team control to even consider a deal like this.

[Jasonbay44]

Not a f***ing chance would I do that deal.

 

Hard pass for me as well. That trade creates two huge holes and isn't needed at all. Beni is only 23 and Xander is 25.

[moonslav59]

Hard pass for me as well. That trade creates two huge holes and isn't needed at all. Beni is only 23 and Xander is 25.

 

Bogey's 25, but he only has one more arb year left, while degrom has 2 left.

 

We're not trading Beni, but the Bogey idea has more of a chance.

 

Our problem is, who plays SS? Lin & Holt?

 

Then, that forces Nunez to play 2B FT, or we call up Phillips.

 

 

I always love any idea that upgrades our rotation from the top and not the middle or bottom, but I just don't see us having the right pieces to make it happen.

[Jasonbay44]

Bogey's 25, but he only has one more arb year left, while degrom has 2 left.

 

We're not trading Beni, but the Bogey idea has more of a chance.

 

Our problem is, who plays SS? Lin & Holt?

 

Then, that forces Nunez to play 2B FT, or we call up Phillips.

 

 

I always love any idea that upgrades our rotation from the top and not the middle or bottom, but I just don't see us having the right pieces to make it happen.

 

Mets aren't going to trade Degrom for just Xander, and we have a weak farm system. Plus, I wouldn't want to give up multiple big league players like Devers/Beni in a deal like this. Degrom is not happening, unless we do something that severely hurts the team.

[moonslav59]

Mets aren't going to trade Degrom for just Xander, and we have a weak farm system. Plus, I wouldn't want to give up multiple big league players like Devers/Beni in a deal like this. Degrom is not happening, unless we do something that severely hurts the team.

 

I agree 100%.

 

I was just responding to your comment that Bogey was just 25. He may be young, but it's more about years of team control.

 

Yes, the Mets do not want 1 more year of Bogey for 2 years of degrom. That's backwards for them.

 

[Jack Flap]

We have made quite a few moves to get to the team we now put on the field. In my view , it has been worth it. We have an excellent roster. No need to make any more moves to try and create the perfect roster. No need to try and match the Yankees , move for move. Maybe a little tweaking is all that is needed. Let's not go overboard here.

 

I'm going to go back to this post by dgale, because it was a good one. This is a great team that could stand to add some depth and make some improvements at the margins, not one in need of some sort of major surgery.

 

I mean, obviously we're all just shooting the s*** here, but why in the world would you trade Benintendi and Bogaerts? WTF?

[Bellhorn04]

De grom is one of the best pitchers in baseball, the Mets need bats. Good bats.

 

Now that we have Pearce, we need to make a run at de grom. And yes, it will take quality to get quality.

 

Benintendi and bogey for de grom?

 

Jeezus Larry. And you call DD desperate?

[jacksonianmarch]

You’re not getting DeGrom. I hope we aren’t getting DeGrom. Someone is going to overpay for him. Someone is going to make a Chris Sale level deal for him (two top 50s and two other team top 10 guys). If the Mess deal DeGrom, it would signal a full scale rebuild. They’ll deal Thor and everyone else aside from Conforto and Nimmo and build around them. They don’t want guys with one or two years of control. They want guys with 5-6 years of control

[Slasher9]

i would seriously consider Beni for DeGrom. getting De Grom for 2018 significantly increases our chances for a parade.

the Mets might do this deal.

[notin]

Mets aren't going to trade Degrom for just Xander, and we have a weak farm system. Plus, I wouldn't want to give up multiple big league players like Devers/Beni in a deal like this. Degrom is not happening, unless we do something that severely hurts the team.

 

You've got to stop listening to Natick and Mad Stork about what this team needs. If Dombrowski actually took their advice and made those deals, they would both complain about what he did to the team and tell you how it was weaker and still not built for the post-season...

[notin]

i would seriously consider Beni for DeGrom. getting De Grom for 2018 significantly increases our chances for a parade.

the Mets might do this deal.

 

I would think the Mets would be all over those players, but then young controllable outfielders (Nimmo, Conforto) and shortstops (Rosario) are not their biggest needs...

[Kimmi]

I'm going to go back to this post by dgale, because it was a good one. This is a great team that could stand to add some depth and make some improvements at the margins, not one in need of some sort of major surgery.

 

I mean, obviously we're all just shooting the s*** here, but why in the world would you trade Benintendi and Bogaerts? WTF?

 

I agree completely with you and Dgale.

 

Now that Dombrowski has acquired Pearce, the only remaining move is likely to add a BP arm.

[Jack Flap]

I agree completely with you and Dgale.

 

Now that Dombrowski has acquired Pearce, the only remaining move is likely to add a BP arm.

 

I agree as well.

 

I could see maaayybbe seeking a further upgrade at second, but between Holt, Nunez, Lin, Phillips, possibly Pearce, and of course the hoped-for Pedroia return if it happens, DD may feel we have enough there. Anything else would be a major shock at this point, I think.

[notin]

I agree completely with you and Dgale.

 

Now that Dombrowski has acquired Pearce, the only remaining move is likely to add a BP arm.

 

Acquiring a bullpen arm is something all contending teams seem to do regardless of need. It's like a formal announcement of intention to contend...

[Kimmi]

I agree as well.

 

I could see maaayybbe seeking a further upgrade at second, but between Holt, Nunez, Lin, Phillips, possibly Pearce, and of course the hoped-for Pedroia return if it happens, DD may feel we have enough there. Anything else would be a major shock at this point, I think.

 

Agreed. I think we have enough options internally to adequately cover second.

 

I wonder what the status of Marco Hernandez is. Is he expected back anytime this year?