Who Should the Red Sox Trade For?

[MADSTORK]

The 3 arb years for Baez is very tempting. It would be one way to help the future a little bit.

 

I'd certainly consider it, since the money saved by trading Porcello (about $7M pro-rated for this year and $20.6M next year ) for Baez (about $220K this year and his first arb next year.) With this money saved, we could probably get a salary dump SP'er this summer and have much more wiggle room to fill our needs next year.

 

I guess I'm just not so ready to write off Nunez & Holt (and Pedey). I'd like to see how things look by the deadline.

 

I'd probably wait, but the idea is a worthy one to consider.

 

 

Finally your coming around!

[Hugh2]

We should trade for somebody who could allow us to have somebody to trade for somebody else.

[Jasonbay44]

I don't think the Cubs are even entertaining offers for Baez. He's one of best young position players in the MLB.

[harmony]

I don't think the Cubs are even entertaining offers for Baez. He's one of best young position players in the MLB.

I also question whether the Cubs would entertain offers for Javier Baez but Eduardo Rodriguez offers an interesting trade match.

 

Baez, who is four months older than Rodriguez, has posted 5.8 fWAR and 8.0 bWAR in his career, entering this season with two years and 89 days of MLB service.

 

Rodriguez has posted 6.4 fWAR and 6.7 bWAR in his career, entering this season with two years and 130 days of MLB service as a Super Two in the first of four arbitration years.

 

ZiPS. Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project rest-of-season WAR of 0.9, 1.1 and 1.1 for Baez and 1.3, 1.1 and 1.2 for Rodriguez.

Edited June 27, 2018 by harmony

[moonslav59]

Finally your coming around!

 

Not really. I said maybe, and besides, the Cubs won't take 1 year of Porcello for 3 years of Baez.

[Natick to NC]

You think the Cubs would entertain that offer?

 

Hitch it may work into something more than just the swap .I think we are looking for the start of a fair deal that helps both teams .

[mvp 78]

I don't think the Cubs are even entertaining offers for Baez. He's one of best young position players in the MLB.

 

Yup.

 

No chance. No chance in Hell!

[oldtimer]

As far as Pedroia is concerned, the news hasn't been positive and there are two risks. 1. He won't be able to make it back into the lineup at all this year 2. He'll make it back but won't regain anywhere near his offensive performance numbers. Counting on Holt and Nunez, who also are identified subs for at least 3rd and SS makes us thin and less formidable. We have signed Dustin on into the future but maybe this will become another of our sunken cost issues. Hope not for the team and for Dustin who has been one of our best players for many years.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The 3 arb years for Baez is very tempting. It would be one way to help the future a little bit.

 

I'd certainly consider it, since the money saved by trading Porcello (about $7M pro-rated for this year and $20.6M next year ) for Baez (about $220K this year and his first arb next year.) With this money saved, we could probably get a salary dump SP'er this summer and have much more wiggle room to fill our needs next year.

 

I guess I'm just not so ready to write off Nunez & Holt (and Pedey). I'd like to see how things look by the deadline.

 

I'd probably wait, but the idea is a worthy one to consider.

 

With Wright now having knee problems, why the hell would the SOX trade Porcello? The SOX don't even have anyone worthy of replacing Wright. Oh, unless you think Beeks is ready for the big show. LOL. The SOX absolutely are in no position to trade one of their better pitchers.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

With Wright now having knee problems, why the hell would the SOX trade Porcello? The SOX don't even have anyone worthy of replacing Wright. Oh, unless you think Beeks is ready for the big show. LOL. The SOX absolutely are in no position to trade one of their better pitchers.

 

Also, I wouldn't put much faith in POM coming back to repeat his 2017 season, which I believe was an aberration.

[Slasher9]

I don't think the Cubs are even entertaining offers for Baez. He's one of best young position players in the MLB.

 

They need starting pitching. I was very hung ho on this for about 15 minutes until the news broke that the knuckler got broken. Sad!

[Larry Cook]

With Wright now having knee problems, why the hell would the SOX trade Porcello? The SOX don't even have anyone worthy of replacing Wright. Oh, unless you think Beeks is ready for the big show. LOL. The SOX absolutely are in no position to trade one of their better pitchers.

 

The Mets need some bats really bad, specially shortstop and an outfielder or first baseman.

 

If they were willing to part with de grom, I think we could put a package together to get this deal done,

 

A rotation of sale, de grom, price, porcello and Rodriguez would be monster.

 

Is de grom and a reliever worth bogey and benintendi?

[moonslav59]

With Wright now having knee problems, why the hell would the SOX trade Porcello? The SOX don't even have anyone worthy of replacing Wright. Oh, unless you think Beeks is ready for the big show. LOL. The SOX absolutely are in no position to trade one of their better pitchers.

 

I'm not for trading Porcello. It was not my idea.

 

I mentioned I'd consider it, based on 3 years of Baez for 1 year of Porcello AND that the money saved by losing Porcello's contract both this year and next would allow us to trade for a (salary dump) starter to take his place.

 

(Note: the Cubs will NOT make this trade.)

 

[moonslav59]

Also, I wouldn't put much faith in POM coming back to repeat his 2017 season, which I believe was an aberration.

 

So, 2016 (before the injury) was part of a 1.5 season aberration?

 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The Mets need some bats really bad, specially shortstop and an outfielder or first baseman.

 

If they were willing to part with de grom, I think we could put a package together to get this deal done,

 

A rotation of sale, de grom, price, porcello and Rodriguez would be monster.

 

Is de grom and a reliever worth bogey and benintendi?

 

Some may disagree, but I wouldn't trade 2 very good everyday players for one starting pitcher. I realize that one has to give up something to get something, but Bogey and Beni would be too much to give up. I just wish the SOX could put together a package of prospects like they did to get Sale, but, unfortunately, the prospect shelves are empty right now.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Some may disagree, but I wouldn't trade 2 very good everyday players for one starting pitcher. I realize that one has to give up something to get something, but Bogey and Beni would be too much to give up. I just wish the SOX could put together a package of prospects like they did to get Sale, but, unfortunately, the prospect shelves are empty right now.

 

One other thing. I realize DeGrom is a fine pitcher, but pitching in the AL isn't like pitching in the NL. If you don't believe me, just ask Jon Lester.

[moonslav59]

I'm almost always for upgrading the rotation from the top, but there's no way we can afford to trade Bogey & Beni for deGrom and a RP'er.

 

I can't stomach this....

 

1) Betts RF

2) Nunez 2B/DH

3) JD LF/DH

4) Moreland 1B

5) Pedroia DH/2B

6) Devers 3B

7) Holt/Lin SS

8) JBJ CF

9) Vaz C

 

This looks pretty bad, even with Pedey returning.

 

 

 

[Sox75]

I feel an awakening from JBJ!

 

Watching him drive that ball over the Monster was awesome!

 

Best case scenario for the Sox is for Jackie to start hitting..... He is too great a CF'r to give up on too easily!

[S5Dewey]

As far as Pedroia is concerned, the news hasn't been positive and there are two risks. 1. He won't be able to make it back into the lineup at all this year 2. He'll make it back but won't regain anywhere near his offensive performance numbers. Counting on Holt and Nunez, who also are identified subs for at least 3rd and SS makes us thin and less formidable. We have signed Dustin on into the future but maybe this will become another of our sunken cost issues. Hope not for the team and for Dustin who has been one of our best players for many years.

 

Pedroia's case demonstrates the risk in long term signings. A player takes a long term contract - usually with a discount - to protect himself against an injury. Most of us were happy with signing Pedey long-term as it sewed up the 2B position with an All-star player into the future. Now that he's injured and may not be able to come back that signing doesn't look as good. (Thanks again, Manny!) This is the same risk the team would be taking if/when we sign Mookie to a long term deal but many/most of us want to do that.

 

You take your chances when you roll the dice.

[moonslav59]

I feel an awakening from JBJ!

 

Watching him drive that ball over the Monster was awesome!

 

Best case scenario for the Sox is for Jackie to start hitting..... He is too great a CF'r to give up on too easily!

 

Everyone feels this way....

 

now.

[moonslav59]

Pedroia's case demonstrates the risk in long term signings. A player takes a long term contract - usually with a discount - to protect himself against an injury. Most of us were happy with signing Pedey long-term as it sewed up the 2B position with an All-star player into the future. Now that he's injured and may not be able to come back that signing doesn't look as good. (Thanks again, Manny!) This is the same risk the team would be taking if/when we sign Mookie to a long term deal but many/most of us want to do that.

 

You take your chances when you roll the dice.

 

You are right about many long term deals not working out, and paying anyone more than $30M a year really limits the rest of your roster-budget ratios, but with Mookie, I'd roll the dice.

[Kimmi]

You are right about many long term deals not working out, and paying anyone more than $30M a year really limits the rest of your roster-budget ratios, but with Mookie, I'd roll the dice.

 

It depends on how long the deal is. As much as I love Mookie, I am not going crazy on a long term deal for him.

[oldtimer]

Pedroia's case demonstrates the risk in long term signings. A player takes a long term contract - usually with a discount - to protect himself against an injury. Most of us were happy with signing Pedey long-term as it sewed up the 2B position with an All-star player into the future. Now that he's injured and may not be able to come back that signing doesn't look as good. (Thanks again, Manny!) This is the same risk the team would be taking if/when we sign Mookie to a long term deal but many/most of us want to do that.

 

You take your chances when you roll the dice.

 

We took the risk of signing him to a long term for someone his age and with potential health issues. Pedroia has tried hard to get back and done his part but he and we may be snake bitten this year and possibly onward. That has put us in a position where we either fill the position or take the risk of going with Holt and Nunez as everyday players, who also need to back up short and third. We might have an option of trading for a rental that can reduce our risk. I'm thinking perhaps we could get Astrubal Cabrera from the Mets as an acceptable infielder with a decent bat. I still believe we need one reliever and a second baseman before the deadline. I have seen articles this morning that now indicate the DD is thinking of starting pitching, having gone down Wright and Pomeranz. That further complicates the issue as our financial resources are slim and our cupboard in the minors is bare.

[S5Dewey]

You are right about many long term deals not working out, and paying anyone more than $30M a year really limits the rest of your roster-budget ratios, but with Mookie, I'd roll the dice.

 

Absolutely, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. There are a few players in MLB whom you should pay the price and build the team around. Mookie is one of them. I said some time ago that DD should walk up to Mookie with a 10 year contract and say, "Just fill in the numbers". (Rhetorically speaking, that is.)

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I, like the rest of us, don't know what the future holds for Betts staying in Boston. What I do know is that Betts and Trout are the two best everyday players in baseball. I just hope that the SOX FO handles Betts the same way the Angels' FO has handled Trout.

[SoxnCycles]

It depends on how long the deal is. As much as I love Mookie, I am not going crazy on a long term deal for him.

 

Mookie is probably one of those rare players that a GM should gamble on, as painful as it may end up being.

The Sox didn't do themselves any favors by forcing him into arbitration.

[Sox75]

Everyone feels this way....

 

now.

 

I'm just wondering if I need to start another Beni-type "Jackie Rising" threads?

 

It worked for Beni.

[moonslav59]

Absolutely, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. There are a few players in MLB whom you should pay the price and build the team around. Mookie is one of them. I said some time ago that DD should walk up to Mookie with a 10 year contract and say, "Just fill in the numbers". (Rhetorically speaking, that is.)

 

I'm with you, and I think if you jump the arb years and offer lifetime financial security to Betts and his future family lineage, he might agree to a little less.

 

I'd have no problem giving him the highest salary in MLB history at 10 years. I'd go 12, if it started now.

[Slasher9]

I'm with you, and I think if you jump the arb years and offer lifetime financial security to Betts and his future family lineage, he might agree to a little less.

 

I'd have no problem giving him the highest salary in MLB history at 10 years. I'd go 12, if it started now.

 

hand him a blank contract and tell him to fill in the numbers. it will be a bargain.

[Spudboy]

It depends on how long the deal is. As much as I love Mookie, I am not going crazy on a long term deal for him.

 

Yup. I am with you on this.