Rafael Devers struggles/triumphs and the future

[moonslav59]

Devers has a 917 OPS the last two weeks.

 

Right about the time some were advocating benching, platooning or demoting him to AAA.

[S5Dewey]

Right about the time some were advocating benching, platooning or demoting him to AAA.

 

I know. But I keep thinking that most of those pitches he's hitting are mistake pitches. As Jerry pointed out during the game, Devers can't stay away from that high hard one, and he also can't hit it. When pitchers get that pitch there Devers is toast.

[Bellhorn04]

I know. But I keep thinking that most of those pitches he's hitting are mistake pitches. As Jerry pointed out during the game, Devers can't stay away from that high hard one, and he also can't hit it. When pitchers get that pitch there Devers is toast.

 

A pretty high percentage of hits are on mistakes, aren't they? Or as they are now called in postgame interviews, pitches that 'grabbed a little bit too much plate'.

[Slasher9]

A pretty high percentage of hits are on mistakes, aren't they? Or as they are now called in postgame interviews, pitches that 'grabbed a little bit too much plate'.

 

yup. pitchers never ever ever ever want to be middle middle that is where everyone's red hot zone is. anytime a pitch is there its a mistake. (unless you have a 10 run lead and are 2-0 on batter).

[Slasher9]

Right about the time some were advocating benching, platooning or demoting him to AAA.

 

that is idiotic. when we handed the 20 year old the starting 3b spot with the Boston Red Sox we all signed up for the valleys that come along with it. demoting him does nothing. we agreed to allow him to suffer, adjust, suffer, adjust at the ML level. DD made that decision for us last year but it now has to be "owned".

Personally i believe he will improve greatly the next couple years on the Defense side and he will absolutely learn to lay off the high FB.

[moonslav59]

that is idiotic. when we handed the 20 year old the starting 3b spot with the Boston Red Sox we all signed up for the valleys that come along with it. demoting him does nothing. we agreed to allow him to suffer, adjust, suffer, adjust at the ML level. DD made that decision for us last year but it now has to be "owned".

Personally i believe he will improve greatly the next couple years on the Defense side and he will absolutely learn to lay off the high FB.

 

I totally agree, and I still think the call-up was the right move.

 

Our 3B situation has been in shambles since before Middlebrooks. At least we have some promise. At best, we have a guy that can still hit over .800 this year and higher in years to come.

[harmony]

Rafael Devers has posted 0.8 fWAR in 71 games while Pablo Sandoval has posted 0.6 fWAR in 59 games.

 

Baseball Reference must be a day behind by listing Devers with 0.1 bWAR in 70 games and Sandoval with 0.7 bWAR in 58 games.

 

Each collects a paycheck from the Red Sox.

Edited June 20, 2018 by harmony

[Bellhorn04]

Rafael Devers has posted 0.8 fWAR in 71 games while Pablo Sandoval has posted 0.8 fWAR in 59 games.

 

Baseball Reference must be a day behind by listing Devers with 0.1 bWAR in 70 games and Sandoval with 0.7 bWAR in 58 games.

 

Each collects a paycheck from the Red Sox.

 

No need to rub it in.

[notin]

that is idiotic. when we handed the 20 year old the starting 3b spot with the Boston Red Sox we all signed up for the valleys that come along with it. demoting him does nothing. we agreed to allow him to suffer, adjust, suffer, adjust at the ML level. DD made that decision for us last year but it now has to be "owned".

Personally i believe he will improve greatly the next couple years on the Defense side and he will absolutely learn to lay off the high FB.

 

Exactly.

 

I've seen do many posts where fans complain about how other teams promote their top prospects and deal with the development as it happens, but the Sox make the fans wait too long to see them. So when the Sox do bring a player up early and he struggles, that's not acceptable either....

[illinoisredsox]

Rafael Devers has posted 0.8 fWAR in 71 games while Pablo Sandoval has posted 0.6 fWAR in 59 games.

 

Baseball Reference must be a day behind by listing Devers with 0.1 bWAR in 70 games and Sandoval with 0.7 bWAR in 58 games.

 

Each collects a paycheck from the Red Sox.

 

No need to rub it in.

 

 

What he is doing in San Francisco is irrelevant. Sandoval’s only value to the Red Sox is what he would have provided to Boston. There was nothing in the 2+ years he was here that indicated he would have provided much of anything.

[Maxbialystock]

that is idiotic. when we handed the 20 year old the starting 3b spot with the Boston Red Sox we all signed up for the valleys that come along with it. demoting him does nothing. we agreed to allow him to suffer, adjust, suffer, adjust at the ML level. DD made that decision for us last year but it now has to be "owned".

Personally i believe he will improve greatly the next couple years on the Defense side and he will absolutely learn to lay off the high FB.

 

Cut that out. We are supposed to disagree and I really like that notion--all of it.

[S5Dewey]

No need to rub it in.

 

It's what he does.

[cp176]

that is idiotic. when we handed the 20 year old the starting 3b spot with the Boston Red Sox we all signed up for the valleys that come along with it. demoting him does nothing. we agreed to allow him to suffer, adjust, suffer, adjust at the ML level. DD made that decision for us last year but it now has to be "owned".

Personally i believe he will improve greatly the next couple years on the Defense side and he will absolutely learn to lay off the high FB.

 

My views as well. You can't leave the good ones down there forever. In this case, maybe it would have been nice, but there was an absolute need and that need got filled. You live with the growing pains. That is just how it works. He is going to be just fine.

[moonslav59]

My views as well. You can't leave the good ones down there forever. In this case, maybe it would have been nice, but there was an absolute need and that need got filled. You live with the growing pains. That is just how it works. He is going to be just fine.

 

Totally agree. He won't be harmed in any way by going through some growing pains.

[mvp 78]

Devers: 834 OPS since June 6.

[mvp 78]

Devers needs time off bad ...Bring up Quiroz like these folks are talking about.

 

You guys quack me up.

[Bellhorn04]

What's his OPS since Jacks started this thread?

[notin]

What's his OPS since Jacks started this thread?

 

.883

[oldtimer]

.883

 

Maybe he read the thread

[notin]

Maybe he read the thread

 

Then please continue to trash him thoroughly.

 

Rafael Devers is so bad if he fell off a cliff, he wouldn't hit the ground.

 

Your turn.

[Kimmi]

You guys quack me up.

 

We should trade him while his value is high.

[Kimmi]

.883

 

Devers' OPS pre-Jacko thread: .681

 

Devers' OPS post-Jacko thread: .883

 

Thanks Jacko!

[moonslav59]

More than JB's has gone up since Natick called for JBJ to be sent down to AAA.

[mvp 78]

Devers' OPS pre-Jacko thread: .681

 

Devers' OPS post-Jacko thread: .883

 

Thanks Jacko!

+1 thanks to Jacko

[moonslav59]

What's the OPS of JBJ, Vaz & Leon, since Natick called for their demotion or DFA?

[CharlieWhigg]

https://redsoxunfiltered.com/2018/07/01/rafael-devers-yankee-killer/

 

This kid absolutely crushes the Yankees, especially on the road. Youngest player in Sox history to go 5-5, and he's batting .326/.354/.500 on the road against New York. I don't think this is a fluke, either. I think this success is here to last.

[jacksonianmarch]

He might need one in the ribs to decrease his comfort in there. A Sevy 100mph shot should do it

[CharlieWhigg]

He might need one in the ribs to decrease his comfort in there. A Sevy 100mph shot should do it

 

Classy fan. This guys good against us, let’s try to injure him!

[moonslav59]

He might need one in the ribs to decrease his comfort in there. A Sevy 100mph shot should do it

 

I'm just glad he's not in AAA, as you suggested he needed.

[vegasbob]

He might need one in the ribs to decrease his comfort in there. A Sevy 100mph shot should do it

 

Watch out, Smokin Joe Kelly follows these posts and can give some payback