Red Sox To Sign J.D. Martinez

[moonslav59]

I think you do the right thing. Let winning baseball games dictate the player usage.

 

Hell it's a long season, you never know who gets hurt. You can really rest players if things work out.

 

Yes, and if HRam his hitting well, I doubt we restrict his PAs just so he does not vest.

 

Yes, there will be injuries, but we also probably committed to Nunez to maximize his PAs.

 

All it takes is an injury to any OF'er, 1Bman or DH to get HRam more PAs. Same with Nunez, but add 2B (Pedey) SS and 3B.

 

 

[Natick to NC]

Question is what loogy do we target ? Edited February 20, 2018 by Natick to NC

[moonslav59]

Question is what loogy do we now target ?

 

The one dripping on the wall.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Question is what loogy do we now target ?

 

There's not much, I don't think. It's time for Dave to put on some old clothes and go dumpster diving.

[moonslav59]

There's not much, I don't think. It's time for Dave to put on some old clothes and go dumpster diving.

 

I think we save what little we have left for the summer.

 

We have some 25-man roster crunch issues to solve before opening day.

 

With Hembree and Johnson out of options, and Thornburg and ERod coming back at some point in the season, I think the pen we have now is what we go with to start the season.

 

Wright, Johnson and Velazquez fight it for the 5 slot in the rotation.

 

Edited February 20, 2018 by moonslav59

[Natick to NC]

Happy for all of us tonight !!! Been a real test for all of us in patience .Welcome to the Red Sox JD you may never have to buy a dinner ever again in Boston its up to you .

[Hitch]

Better than 7/200 that someone on here wanted last week.

 

Almost as if DD had a plan.

 

I know right? Who knew?

 

At the very least people will stop bumping their gums about Dave not doing his job or being too patient and yada yada.

 

Fantastic signing at a very solid price. To go along with Nunez and Moreland stopping Haney getting his option, this is a good off season so far.

[cp176]

On the topic of defensively limited right-handed hitters best-suited for the designated hitter slot …

 

J.D. Martinez is five months younger today than Hanley Ramirez was when the Red Sox signed the latter to a four-year, $88 million contract with a vesting option for a another year (that coincidentally would bring the total to $110 million over five years).

 

Martinez has posted 6.0 bWAR and 5.6 fWAR in 239 games over the past two seasons while Ramirez had posted 8.9 bWAR and 8.5 fWAR in 214 games in the two seasons before he signed with Boston.

 

In the 2014-15 offseason MLB Trade Rumors had projected Ramirez with a six-year, $132 million contract while this year MLB Trade Rumors projected Martinez with a six-year, $150 million contract.

 

You never know how these free agent contracts will play out.

 

You are absolutely right and all Red Sox fans should literally be all frothed up over the potential of having a healthy Ramirez and a power hitting Martinez in the middle of that lineup.

[cp176]

Moreland plays 1B vs RHPs (or most of them).

 

HRam plays 1B vs LHPs, DH's when JD plays OF and PHs some. He does not vest.

 

if Hanley is truly healthy and hits like the Hanley of old, which I still think might be a longshot, he will vest and the Red Sox could be one hell of a baseball team. I think that our ownership kind of wants to win.

[Spudboy]

So we are all happy that JD was signed for much less than was being talked about. 5/110 is easier to swallow than 5/25, 6/150 or even worse.

 

Yeah the front loaded deal with two opt outs seems preferable.

 

But what happens if he is injured or does not perform to expectations and he does not choose to opt out? Does everyone think the last 3 years at $60. mil will be such a great deal then?

 

He will be 31 this season. He will be 33 and 34 in the opt out years. If he is not getting it done years 34, 35, and 36 will be more of the same dead money s*** we have now with Fatboy and Hanley.

[sk7326]

So we are all happy that JD was signed for much less than was being talked about. 5/110 is easier to swallow than 5/25, 6/150 or even worse.

 

Yeah the front loaded deal with two opt outs seems preferable.

 

But what happens if he is injured or does not perform to expectations and he does not choose to opt out? Does everyone think the last 3 years at $60. mil will be such a great deal then?

 

He will be 31 this season. He will be 33 and 34 in the opt out years. If he is not getting it done years 34, 35, and 36 will be more of the same dead money s*** we have now with Fatboy and Hanley.

 

A 5 year deal was going to be a risk. The odds were that years 4 and 5 were not going to be that good. Any long term deal could be ruined by injury.

 

I used to think that player options stunk because it was all downside for the org. I am less sure these days. I mean, let's say JD does well enough that he will opt out after 2/50. In a sense both sides are getting what they want. I don't think the Sox got a steal here, but this is pretty reasonable for the best slugger on the market.

 

FWIW it probably takes them out of the Bryce Harper derby next season - if that was ever a consideration.

[Larry Cook]

So we are all happy that JD was signed for much less than was being talked about. 5/110 is easier to swallow than 5/25, 6/150 or even worse.

 

Yeah the front loaded deal with two opt outs seems preferable.

 

But what happens if he is injured or does not perform to expectations and he does not choose to opt out? Does everyone think the last 3 years at $60. mil will be such a great deal then?

 

He will be 31 this season. He will be 33 and 34 in the opt out years. If he is not getting it done years 34, 35, and 36 will be more of the same dead money s*** we have now with Fatboy and Hanley.

 

Could not agree more.

[Natick to NC]

JD will raaaaaaaaaake here ....until he doesn't .but he will raaaaaaaaake here ....can we just have tonight to agree on he will raaaaaaake here ?????

[moonslav59]

So we are all happy that JD was signed for much less than was being talked about. 5/110 is easier to swallow than 5/25, 6/150 or even worse.

 

Yeah the front loaded deal with two opt outs seems preferable.

 

But what happens if he is injured or does not perform to expectations and he does not choose to opt out? Does everyone think the last 3 years at $60. mil will be such a great deal then?

 

He will be 31 this season. He will be 33 and 34 in the opt out years. If he is not getting it done years 34, 35, and 36 will be more of the same dead money s*** we have now with Fatboy and Hanley.

 

No, $60M/3 would suck, but it's better than $75M/3 remaining.

[mvp 78]

Gringo ,I hope Hanley snaps back to form this year we could really use that Bat ....what if JD is playing RF and JBJ is gonzo now ?????JBJ to Cleveland for loogy reliever and Edwin ??? Blowing the cap up .Lol kidding

 

JD can’t play RF in Fenway. No way.

[mvp 78]

Question is what loogy do we target ?

 

Scott is fine. Maybe grab Abad again.

[a700hitter]

Scott is fine. Maybe grab Abad again.

Abad signed with the Phillies.

[Spudboy]

JD can’t play RF in Fenway. No way.

 

It does not sound appealing, I agree. But for one game so Betts gets a blow I doubt it will be terrible.

 

We always have Holt!

[Youk Of The Nation]

JD Martinez? That's pretty surprising, I hadn't heard anything about him until now. I'm surprised that people on this site weren't discussing this for the last few months. This signing has completely blindsided me, I'm disappointed in you guys for not talking this up during the offseason.

[notin]

JD Martinez? That's pretty surprising, I hadn't heard anything about him until now. I'm surprised that people on this site weren't discussing this for the last few months. This signing has completely blindsided me, I'm disappointed in you guys for not talking this up during the offseason.

 

Well it was all hush hush in the media....

[oldtimer]

Will DD make another move to alleviate the OF/1B/DH logjam?

 

The places where JDM fit are LF and DH. Nunez is also on our roster so some of our utility needs , including LF and 2nd base are filled. So first base, DH, LF, DH and utility backup all have a logjam.

 

With Moreland and Rameriz sharing 1st base and Rameriz normally the DH then you might look for and outfielder to be traded. Would that be JBJ?

 

Rameriz trade value is not good. Maybe we could shed a part of his contract and by doing that install Martinez as DH, but does that really make sense to get so little in return for Rameriz?

 

My view is we trade some of our utility players and probably JBJ will go as he still has reasonable trade value. That would put Martinez in Left, Beni in center and Betts in right with Nunez being a super utility player. If he hits like last year can he be kept out of the lineup?

 

Have to assume Pedey will come back and start at least by the end of May or June. Interesting thought is how do you keep Nunez out of the lineup if he hits as well as last year?

[moonslav59]

Question is what loogy do we target ?

 

I think these guys have left-handed batters under control:

 

Kimbrel .498 vs LHBs (.451 vs RHBs) great vs both

 

CSmith .522 vs LHBS (.516 vs RHBS) almost identical

 

Thornburg .531 vs LHBs (.732) freaky reverse split!

 

Our current LOOGY:

 

Scott .522 vs LHBs (.800 vs RHBs)

 

 

Not so great vs LHBs:

 

J Kelly .746 (.697 v RHBs)

Workman .761 (.752) pretty even

Barnes .788 (.712)

Hembree .839 (.708)

Maddox .720 (.340) small sample sizes

 

[Nick]

The places where JDM fit are LF and DH. Nunez is also on our roster so some of our utility needs , including LF and 2nd base are filled. So first base, DH, LF, DH and utility backup all have a logjam.

 

With Moreland and Rameriz sharing 1st base and Rameriz normally the DH then you might look for and outfielder to be traded. Would that be JBJ?

 

Rameriz trade value is not good. Maybe we could shed a part of his contract and by doing that install Martinez as DH, but does that really make sense to get so little in return for Rameriz?

 

My view is we trade some of our utility players and probably JBJ will go as he still has reasonable trade value. That would put Martinez in Left, Beni in center and Betts in right with Nunez being a super utility player. If he hits like last year can he be kept out of the lineup?

 

Have to assume Pedey will come back and start at least by the end of May or June. Interesting thought is how do you keep Nunez out of the lineup if he hits as well as last year?

 

I think our OF is set and JD is not starting there. I think the team is set as long as everyone stays healthy.

[notin]

I think these guys have left-handed batters under control:

 

Kimbrel .498 vs LHBs (.451 vs RHBs) great vs both

 

CSmith .522 vs LHBS (.516 vs RHBS) almost identical

 

Thornburg .531 vs LHBs (.732) freaky reverse split!

 

Our current LOOGY:

 

Scott .522 vs LHBs (.800 vs RHBs)

 

 

Not so great vs LHBs:

 

J Kelly .746 (.697 v RHBs)

Workman .761 (.752) pretty even

Barnes .788 (.712)

Hembree .839 (.708)

Maddox .720 (.340) small sample sizes

 

 

f*** LOOGYs. They're a bad strategy. All they do is make the rest of the bullpen work harder by not doing their fair share.

 

Are left-handed hitters really so difficult to get out that we need both special relievers and the shift to handle them?

[a700hitter]

Martinez signing makes the opening day lineup have 4 killer B’s: Betts, Boergarts, Bradley and Benentendi and 4 EZ passes....Martinez, Ramirez, Nunez and Vazquez....and a Devers

[moonslav59]

I think our OF is set and JD is not starting there. I think the team is set as long as everyone stays healthy.

 

We have no need for Brentz.

 

JD can play LF whenever an OF'er gets hurt or needs a rest. That frees up a few PAs at DH for HRam.

 

Playing JD in LF also squeezes some PAs from Nunez.

 

If we really want Nunez to get 450-550 PAs, there's just no room for everybody.

 

I can understand wanting to keep the depth, but I would not be surprised to see HRam dumped (maybe save $4-7M) or JBJ traded. We could trade Holt and save $2M.

 

Adding Nunez and JD really puts a squeeze on several players, but it's not like the world ends, if we have to DFA or trade Brentz, Marrero, Swihart, Holt or Hernandez.

 

[notin]

Martinez signing makes the opening day lineup have 4 killer B’s: Betts, Boergarts, Bradley and Benentendi and 4 EZ passes....Martinez, Ramirez, Nunez and Vazquez....and a Devers

 

Unless Moreland starts....

[notin]

We have no need for Brentz.

 

JD can play LF whenever an OF'er gets hurt or needs a rest. That frees up a few PAs at DH for HRam.

 

Playing JD in LF also squeezes some PAs from Nunez.

 

If we really want Nunez to get 450-550 PAs, there's just no room for everybody.

 

I can understand wanting to keep the depth, but I would not be surprised to see HRam dumped (maybe save $4-7M) or JBJ traded. We could trade Holt and save $2M.

 

Adding Nunez and JD really puts a squeeze on several players, but it's not like the world ends, if we have to DFA or trade Brentz, Marrero, Swihart, Holt or Hernandez.

 

 

With Martinez on board, that leaves 3 bench spots to Ramirez, Swihart, Marrero, Brentz and Holt. I'm assuming only an injury gets Hernandez on the roster.

 

And from that set, only Holt can be demoted. So unless.a trade is made, it does look like bad news for Brentz. And possibly for Marrero as well, since we all know Holt isn't getting demoted.

 

Now if Hanley gets DFAd....

[sk7326]

Unless Moreland starts....

 

A Moreland-Ramirez platoon could be one of the most productive 1B positions in the league ... Moreland has never hit lefties. You might give Ramirez more at-bats than a simple L/R platoon.

 

Now I could see Holt not starting the season to give some flexibility early.

Edited February 20, 2018 by sk7326

[Natick to NC]

When Can we Trade Moreland ??????? Got him cheap ...not advocating it just want to know what time period if any is guaranteed ? Edited February 20, 2018 by Natick to NC