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[notin]

We have no choice but to live through it, but this could be worse than 2014-2015. The Sox had a better farm back than and no daunting contracts like Price and Eovaldi. All the current buzz is that the Sox have no intention of exercising that first “one last time” option.

[jacksonianmarch]

We have no choice but to live through it, but this could be worse than 2014-2015. The Sox had a better farm back than and no daunting contracts like Price and Eovaldi. All the current buzz is that the Sox have no intention of exercising that first “one last time” option.

 

That's the thing. You were growing Mookie and Bogey, you dealt off Miller to get ERod who went to your farm. The farm ended up being pretty strong during your short rebuild, just the MLB talent waned. Your farm hasn't been this devoid of talent since before Theo took over. This will be a very long rebuild outside of s*** luck or a further infusion of cash

[moonslav59]

Not for me - there you go though. Once again, i like those trades and will continue to support GM's of the future if they do what they can to help us be successful without prior years of suffering.

 

You mean without subsequent years of suffering?

 

The guys we traded may still become great or much better.

 

I liked many of the trades, including the Sale trade, even if Moncada becomes a monster, but it does make a difference if he does or doesn't.

[moonslav59]

That's the thing. You were growing Mookie and Bogey, you dealt off Miller to get ERod who went to your farm. The farm ended up being pretty strong during your short rebuild, just the MLB talent waned. Your farm hasn't been this devoid of talent since before Theo took over. This will be a very long rebuild outside of s*** luck or a further infusion of cash

 

or, a trade off and a near future spending frenzy.

[Kimmi]

And maybe cake and ice cream too, Kimmi. Along with a check in the mailbox for being a loyal fan all year while they fought to reach and hold .500. I don't really argue your reasoned logic, but whatever it took the WS flag will be there when we are done and gone. Win now, tomorrow comes at its own risk.

 

I don't agree with the win now at any cost philosophy. I agree with the philosophy of balancing the short term goals with the long term goals. It's possible to do.

[Kimmi]

'Ideally', yes. But there is a big gap between the ideal and the real.

 

Just take a look at Theo's farm system now. He's having the same issues as us.

 

I don't think there's that big of a gap between the ideal and the real.

 

Especially for a team with the Red Sox' payroll.

 

Theo also did the 'win at any cost' thing to bring that championship to the Cubs, which is understandable under those circumstances.

[vegasbob]

Andy Barkett, the assistant batting coach, got chopped today. I guess JBJr and Sandy Leon blackballed him. Dana Levangie must be sitting on pins and needles as the FO discusses his role.

 

Brad Ausmus is either a bad individual to lead a team or he got Joe Maddoned. The Angels do not have a clue. Watch out if Billy Eppler's name gets mentioned for the Boston GM job.

[notin]

Andy Barkett, the assistant batting coach, got chopped today. I guess JBJr and Sandy Leon blackballed him.

 

No guarantee either of them are back...

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

DD's main issue as GM was that he didn't have a fall guy like Lucchino to be blamed for any of his bad decisions.

[cp176]

Nice condition. What about if we have those years of suffering? Whoever takes over for Dombrowski has a pretty arduous task and the outcome is less likely to be positive...

 

No question that whoever comes in will face an uphill battle. Not having a moving target from ownership might be one of them. I'm not particularly concerned at all. I haven't been spoiled basically because I have a memory. Clarity and support from ownership needs to be number 1. If the primary goal becomes to save money via trades and non-signs fine. It is a bit of an about face but fine. Do what needs to be done starting with Betts and Martinez. Mookie ain't gonna be had for a small ball discount and Martinez is and will continue to b I think one of baseball's best hitters. Seems to me - "ain't gonna be no miracles here..." but bear in mind our ownership will continue to thrive and make money regardless of the panic being created by the tiresome lament of having to get below a certain dollar figure. hate on Dombrowski all you want folks this one rests squarely on the backs of our owners. I'm not real sure I trust the ******** they are slinging.

[Bellhorn04]

Seems to me - "ain't gonna be no miracles here..." but bear in mind our ownership will continue to thrive and make money regardless of the panic being created by the tiresome lament of having to get below a certain dollar figure. hate on Dombrowski all you want folks this one rests squarely on the backs of our owners. I'm not real sure I trust the ******** they are slinging.

 

Sounds like you are real sure, cp.

[Slasher9]

No question that whoever comes in will face an uphill battle. Not having a moving target from ownership might be one of them. I'm not particularly concerned at all. I haven't been spoiled basically because I have a memory. Clarity and support from ownership needs to be number 1. If the primary goal becomes to save money via trades and non-signs fine. It is a bit of an about face but fine. Do what needs to be done starting with Betts and Martinez. Mookie ain't gonna be had for a small ball discount and Martinez is and will continue to b I think one of baseball's best hitters. Seems to me - "ain't gonna be no miracles here..." but bear in mind our ownership will continue to thrive and make money regardless of the panic being created by the tiresome lament of having to get below a certain dollar figure. hate on Dombrowski all you want folks this one rests squarely on the backs of our owners. I'm not real sure I trust the ******** they are slinging.

 

JH is tired of paying "tax". wealthy people hate paying "tax". that "tax" is coming directly from his bank account. his young wife does not appreciate her husband paying "tax". all the signs have been pointing to a reset since we first jumped over the LT threshold a few seasons ago. the cliff is real. and i do not blame the owner 1 bit for resetting so he doesnt have to pay "tax" on an enormous payroll.

all wealthy people can afford to pay "tax". but will they do everything in their power to avoid paying it? your goddamn right they do.

i fail to see why you dont get this concept and continue to bash JH for not wanting to pay "tax"....

[jad]

JH is tired of paying "tax". wealthy people hate paying "tax". that "tax" is coming directly from his bank account. his young wife does not appreciate her husband paying "tax". all the signs have been pointing to a reset since we first jumped over the LT threshold a few seasons ago. the cliff is real. and i do not blame the owner 1 bit for resetting so he doesnt have to pay "tax" on an enormous payroll.

all wealthy people can afford to pay "tax". but will they do everything in their power to avoid paying it? your goddamn right they do.

i fail to see why you dont get this concept and continue to bash JH for not wanting to pay "tax"....

 

Or it could be a simple business decision. (Although sports franchises, for many owners, are less like a 'business' than a 'hobby'.)

[Slasher9]

Or it could be a simple business decision. (Although sports franchises, for many owners, are less like a 'business' than a 'hobby'.)

 

business decision is just another word for exactly what i described. saving the owner $$. "business decisions" are always about the bottom line.

[S5Dewey]

business decision is just another word for exactly what i described. saving the owner $$. "business decisions" are always about the bottom line.

 

At the end of the day the "tax" is just another cost of doing business. When the salaries + the tax make it a bad business investment JH thinks about making changes - which apparently he's doing.

[notin]

No question that whoever comes in will face an uphill battle. Not having a moving target from ownership might be one of them. I'm not particularly concerned at all. I haven't been spoiled basically because I have a memory. Clarity and support from ownership needs to be number 1. If the primary goal becomes to save money via trades and non-signs fine. It is a bit of an about face but fine. Do what needs to be done starting with Betts and Martinez. Mookie ain't gonna be had for a small ball discount and Martinez is and will continue to b I think one of baseball's best hitters. Seems to me - "ain't gonna be no miracles here..." but bear in mind our ownership will continue to thrive and make money regardless of the panic being created by the tiresome lament of having to get below a certain dollar figure. hate on Dombrowski all you want folks this one rests squarely on the backs of our owners. I'm not real sure I trust the ******** they are slinging.

 

Not sure why so many are quick to direct the anger at Henry. The guy has been spending in excess of $200mill each year on our entertainment. Other, more wealthy owners have tried to keep spending in check for whatever reason. Remember Carl Pohlad? He was the former owner of the Twins and was one of the wealthiest people on Earth, but he insisted on keeping the Twins' payroll near the bottom of all MLB teams. And no one knows why. While he was the owner, the Twins became the first MLB team ever to draw 3,000,000 fans in a season. It's not like they weren't popular.

 

There is no reason a good GM cannot build a good baseball team for less than $200mill. Other GMs do it every year. The Sox just need a GM who can do that, preferably repeatedly.

 

In fact, I'm not even impressed at all if a GM has to spend $240mill to build a competitive team. I'll take it a step further; it's actually a bad idea to do that, because it all but ensures a period of non-competitive baseball as those expensive contracts start getting older...

[Slasher9]

At the end of the day the "tax" is just another cost of doing business. When the salaries + the tax make it a bad business investment JH thinks about making changes - which apparently he's doing.

 

yup. the ROI this season apparently did not bring a smile to JH. once the spend a buck doesnt bring a buck + .01 cent back throats and payroll is slashed9.

[moonslav59]

At the end of the day the "tax" is just another cost of doing business. When the salaries + the tax make it a bad business investment JH thinks about making changes - which apparently he's doing.

 

When you're already "overpaying" just about every FA you sign, having to pay a tax on top of that is hard to swallow for any owner or businessman.

 

When the tax goes up to 50% due to repeatedly going over the line and going over the max line, I can see how anyone would say, "Enough is enough."

 

I'm hopeful, once we reset, we'll be able to go over the lines here and there, when needed.

[notin]

yup. the ROI this season apparently did not bring a smile to JH. once the spend a buck doesnt bring a buck + .01 cent back throats and payroll is slashed9.

 

Do you think the ROI was just the financial return? Or was some of it the loss of prestige for not winning another title?

 

I guess it really depends what motivates Henry...

[notin]

JH is tired of paying "tax". wealthy people hate paying "tax". that "tax" is coming directly from his bank account. his young wife does not appreciate her husband paying "tax". all the signs have been pointing to a reset since we first jumped over the LT threshold a few seasons ago. the cliff is real. and i do not blame the owner 1 bit for resetting so he doesnt have to pay "tax" on an enormous payroll.

all wealthy people can afford to pay "tax". but will they do everything in their power to avoid paying it? your goddamn right they do.

i fail to see why you dont get this concept and continue to bash JH for not wanting to pay "tax"....

 

Can you blame his wife for being concerned about the finances? She just turned 40 and her days of being a trophy wife are numbered...

[moonslav59]

Not sure why so many are quick to direct the anger at Henry. The guy has been spending in excess of $200mill each year on our entertainment. Other, more wealthy owners have tried to keep spending in check for whatever reason. Remember Carl Pohlad? He was the former owner of the Twins and was one of the wealthiest people on Earth, but he insisted on keeping the Twins' payroll near the bottom of all MLB teams. And no one knows why. While he was the owner, the Twins became the first MLB team ever to draw 3,000,000 fans in a season. It's not like they weren't popular.

 

There is no reason a good GM cannot build a good baseball team for less than $200mill. Other GMs do it every year. The Sox just need a GM who can do that, preferably repeatedly.

 

In fact, I'm not even impressed at all if a GM has to spend $240mill to build a competitive team. I'll take it a step further; it's actually a bad idea to do that, because it all but ensures a period of non-competitive baseball as those expensive contracts start getting older...

 

I couldn't agree more, but I will say, I think the team DD built for 2019 should have been competitive, if not highly competitive. The players (and coaches) were part of the problem, too.

 

Most of us felt he put a damn good team on the field, this year, so I find it hard to throw all the blame on DD.

 

I'm more upset about our future outlook than the under performance of the 2019 Red Sox team.

[jad]

Do you think the ROI was just the financial return? Or was some of it the loss of prestige for not winning another title?

 

I guess it really depends what motivates Henry...

 

Exactly. That was my point about the difference between ordinary businesses (which generally are concerned primarily with hte bottom line), and sports franchises, which in many cases are 'hobbies' whose primary function is feeding the owner's ego.

[notin]

Exactly. That was my point about the difference between ordinary businesses (which generally are concerned primarily with hte bottom line), and sports franchises, which in many cases are 'hobbies' whose primary function is feeding the owner's ego.

 

I like to think that. But honestly, I have no idea how true it is for any owner of any team...

[Carpin]

Andy Barkett, the assistant batting coach, got chopped today. I guess JBJr and Sandy Leon blackballed him. Dana Levangie must be sitting on pins and needles as the FO discusses his role.

 

Brad Ausmus is either a bad individual to lead a team or he got Joe Maddoned. The Angels do not have a clue. Watch out if Billy Eppler's name gets mentioned for the Boston GM job.

 

Interesting, a former Yankee executive with Boston

[notin]

Interesting, a former Yankee executive with Boston

 

There's no indication Eppler is leaving Los Angeles, and he's not such a marquee name that he would automatically be a candidate in Boston if he did...

[Carpin]

There's no indication Eppler is leaving Los Angeles, and he's not such a marquee name that he would automatically be a candidate in Boston if he did...

 

I agree, The Angels ownership likes the guy, there's no indication he's leaving SoCal anytime soon

[Bellhorn04]

Not sure why so many are quick to direct the anger at Henry. The guy has been spending in excess of $200mill each year on our entertainment.

 

Yeah, plus that 4 championships thing.

 

I have no complaints.

[moonslav59]

Yeah, plus that 4 championships thing.

 

I have no complaints.

 

Henry gets an 8 decade pass on any criticism.

[Kimmi]

DD's main issue as GM was that he didn't have a fall guy like Lucchino to be blamed for any of his bad decisions.

 

Lucchino was not just a fall guy.

 

He was responsible for much of what went wrong. I have no doubt in my mind.

[Kimmi]

JH is tired of paying "tax". wealthy people hate paying "tax". that "tax" is coming directly from his bank account. his young wife does not appreciate her husband paying "tax". all the signs have been pointing to a reset since we first jumped over the LT threshold a few seasons ago. the cliff is real. and i do not blame the owner 1 bit for resetting so he doesnt have to pay "tax" on an enormous payroll.

all wealthy people can afford to pay "tax". but will they do everything in their power to avoid paying it? your goddamn right they do.

i fail to see why you dont get this concept and continue to bash JH for not wanting to pay "tax"....

 

Nobody wants to pay tax, especially the higher penalties. Even the Yankees reset.