Should DD be fired?

[notin]

Verlander makes Stanton money for the next two seasons. If you want Stanton instead, this does become an "either or" scenario...

[mvp 78]

Right. So they should clean house and replace the current team and personnel with as many changes as possible. The far more likely outcome is a team where the last few weeks don't matter....

 

Is anyone actually interested in cleaning house tho?

 

The changes I've advocated are replacing Moreland with JD Martinez and maybe a few pen arms or a bench guy.

[notin]

Is anyone actually interested in cleaning house tho?

 

The changes I've advocated are replacing Moreland with JD Martinez and maybe a few pen arms or a bench guy.

 

Your signature implies you want at least one more move...

[mvp 78]

Your signature implies you want at least one more move...

 

Yes, Alex Cora now and forever!

[Kimmi]

You watch Verlander and Darvish pitch in the postseason and you can't help but wonder if the Red Sox would have been better off keeping Kopech and Moncada and acquiring a pitcher like Verlander or Darvish without giving up such great young talent. The Astros and Dodgers acquired Verlander and Darvish without giving up prospects like Moncada and Kopech.

 

Sure, without Sale, the Red Sox probably don't win the division but where did winning the division get them? Sale helped them win a division but then, in turn, helped them lose in the ALDS. The Red Sox need more power in their lineup. Moncada is going to strike out a lot, but he would give them power at 2b for years to come. It also looks like the Red Sox are going to soon need a starting 2b--Pedroia isn't going to last forever and will likely need some work at DH to keep him fresh.

 

In the meantime, Kopech looks like a stud.

 

I'm skeptical things will end well for Dombrowski. He will likely leave the organization as a disgrace in a couple of years. He won't be fired, Henry won't do that to him, but if he doesn't win a championship over the next two years, his trades will likely haunt the Red Sox for years to come.

 

I am pretty much in agreement with this, but to be fair, Dombrowski deserves a chance to see how his 'plan' works out. We may win 2 World Series over the next two years. Dombrowski might miraculously restock the farm before we arrive at the impending cliff.

 

I am not a Dombrowski fan, so in the meantime, I will voice my displeasure with his approach. LOL

[Kimmi]

Fire DD

 

#bringbackben

[a700hitter]

#bringbackben'scellardwellers

^Fixed

[Larry Cook]

You watch Verlander and Darvish pitch in the postseason and you can't help but wonder if the Red Sox would have been better off keeping Kopech and Moncada and acquiring a pitcher like Verlander or Darvish without giving up such great young talent. The Astros and Dodgers acquired Verlander and Darvish without giving up prospects like Moncada and Kopech.

 

Sure, without Sale, the Red Sox probably don't win the division but where did winning the division get them? Sale helped them win a division but then, in turn, helped them lose in the ALDS. The Red Sox need more power in their lineup. Moncada is going to strike out a lot, but he would give them power at 2b for years to come. It also looks like the Red Sox are going to soon need a starting 2b--Pedroia isn't going to last forever and will likely need some work at DH to keep him fresh.

 

In the meantime, Kopech looks like a stud.

 

I'm skeptical things will end well for Dombrowski. He will likely leave the organization as a disgrace in a couple of years. He won't be fired, Henry won't do that to him, but if he doesn't win a championship over the next two years, his trades will likely haunt the Red Sox for years to come.

 

Nobody on this board has bashed desperate dave like I have, but even I have to admit desperate dave did the right thing by going all in on sale.

 

And if everyone is honest, we all knew sale had a tendency to wear down in the second half of seasons.

 

Out of devers, Moncada and benintendi, desperate dave was smart to part with Moncada. So I give him props for that as well.

 

Now he needs to put that same focus squarely on signing ohtani.

[cp176]

Right. So they should clean house and replace the current team and personnel with as many changes as possible. The far more likely outcome is a team where the last few weeks don't matter....

 

While he is at it, John Henry might just as well fire himself!

[Slasher9]

#bringbackben

 

+102

[cp176]

+102

 

What position does he play?

[bosoxmal]

Yes. Very early in his first season, NESN caught him his box sipping a glass of what was obviously wine. Well, it was in a wine glass. They cut away as quickly as they could, but I didn't like what I saw. BIGSHOTITIS. That was enough for me.

 

Re/hispluses and minuses on the diamond? I don't know eaxactly where his authority begins and ends. He (or someone) made one helluva f***up when Lee was let go. 5 mil would have kept one of the best LH pitchers in baseball!

[mvp 78]

Yes, Alex Cora now and forever!

 

Soon to be a check.

[mvp 78]

Yes. Very early in his first season, NESN caught him his box sipping a glass of what was obviously wine. Well, it was in a wine glass. They cut away as quickly as they could, but I didn't like what I saw. BIGSHOTITIS. That was enough for me.

 

Re/hispluses and minuses on the diamond? I don't know eaxactly where his authority begins and ends. He (or someone) made one helluva f***up when Lee was let go. 5 mil would have kept one of the best LH pitchers in baseball!

 

Yaz ended each game with a six pack and a pack of smokes. Who cares?

[Larry Cook]

Cora is the kind of hire that could motivate our hitters to actually play hard and not be zombies,

 

No idea if Cora can handle a pitching staff or bullpen, but hopefully he has a Great bench coach to help him,

 

At the end of the day, Cora will probably save desperate dave from the axe.

[Slasher9]

he'll fit right in with all our midgets.

[cp176]

he'll fit right in with all our midgets.

 

Maybe he could still give us a few at second base. He might make Holt, Marrero, Lin etc. all expendable. lol

[sk7326]

You watch Verlander and Darvish pitch in the postseason and you can't help but wonder if the Red Sox would have been better off keeping Kopech and Moncada and acquiring a pitcher like Verlander or Darvish without giving up such great young talent. The Astros and Dodgers acquired Verlander and Darvish without giving up prospects like Moncada and Kopech.

 

Sure, without Sale, the Red Sox probably don't win the division but where did winning the division get them? Sale helped them win a division but then, in turn, helped them lose in the ALDS. The Red Sox need more power in their lineup. Moncada is going to strike out a lot, but he would give them power at 2b for years to come. It also looks like the Red Sox are going to soon need a starting 2b--Pedroia isn't going to last forever and will likely need some work at DH to keep him fresh.

 

In the meantime, Kopech looks like a stud.

 

I'm skeptical things will end well for Dombrowski. He will likely leave the organization as a disgrace in a couple of years. He won't be fired, Henry won't do that to him, but if he doesn't win a championship over the next two years, his trades will likely haunt the Red Sox for years to come.

 

IT GOT THEM A CHANCE TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES. It was a chance that did not get cashed in - but you can't win without being in. Since I've been a fan an 83 win team and an 85 win team won the World Series while a 116 win team didn't - the best team in the league has won the whole thing pretty darn rarely. The Red Sox did not advance in the postseason because they did not win the games - and if the manager did not get a little greedy with Sale, they very well force a Game 5. It's not some grand statement about their season or their success. It is so hard to make the postseason that just dismissing it like qualifying for the NHL Playoffs is daft.

[Kimmi]

IT GOT THEM A CHANCE TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES. It was a chance that did not get cashed in - but you can't win without being in. Since I've been a fan an 83 win team and an 85 win team won the World Series while a 116 win team didn't - the best team in the league has won the whole thing pretty darn rarely. The Red Sox did not advance in the postseason because they did not win the games - and if the manager did not get a little greedy with Sale, they very well force a Game 5. It's not some grand statement about their season or their success. It is so hard to make the postseason that just dismissing it like qualifying for the NHL Playoffs is daft.

 

You are absolutely right about how much of an accomplishment just making the postseason is. That is the goal - make the postseason, then take your chances. As much as I dislike Dombrowski's style, I do not at all view this season as a failure. Was it disappointing that we didn't advance farther? Sure. But not a failure.

 

That said, with the infamous cliff looming over us, if the Sox don't win a World Series in the next 2, maybe 3 years, and the cliff does indeed materialize, then I would have to consider Dombrowski's tenure a failure, because he sacrificed the long term for the short term.

[moonslav59]

You are absolutely right about how much of an accomplishment just making the postseason is. That is the goal - make the postseason, then take your chances. As much as I dislike Dombrowski's style, I do not at all view this season as a failure. Was it disappointing that we didn't advance farther? Sure. But not a failure.

 

That said, with the infamous cliff looming over us, if the Sox don't win a World Series in the next 2, maybe 3 years, and the cliff does indeed materialize, then I would have to consider Dombrowski's tenure a failure, because he sacrificed the long term for the short term.

 

It seems like he's going to have to do some more wheeling and dealing to be the favorite (or near fave) next year- not that being the faves guarantees anything.

 

[sk7326]

It seems like he's going to have to do some more wheeling and dealing to be the favorite (or near fave) next year- not that being the faves guarantees anything.

 

 

I think a lot of it is players being healthier and playing better. Seriously, this team had issues with both - and won 93 games! And note - Benintendi, Betts, Bradley did not actually have bad years ... they had years which were right in the middle of the bell curve of outcomes for them. But most good seasons you expect a player or two to be near the upper end of outcomes - best versions of themselves. Aside from Moreland frankly - that did not happen with our position players. And we won anyway.

[Bellhorn04]

I think a lot of it is players being healthier and playing better. Seriously, this team had issues with both - and won 93 games! And note - Benintendi, Betts, Bradley did not actually have bad years ... they had years which were right in the middle of the bell curve of outcomes for them. But most good seasons you expect a player or two to be near the upper end of outcomes - best versions of themselves. Aside from Moreland frankly - that did not happen with our position players. And we won anyway.

 

We've become a little spoiled, I think. It's still a great time to be a Red Sox fan, and that's been true since 2003. The John Henry era continues to pile up accomplishments.

[moonslav59]

I think a lot of it is players being healthier and playing better. Seriously, this team had issues with both - and won 93 games! And note - Benintendi, Betts, Bradley did not actually have bad years ... they had years which were right in the middle of the bell curve of outcomes for them. But most good seasons you expect a player or two to be near the upper end of outcomes - best versions of themselves. Aside from Moreland frankly - that did not happen with our position players. And we won anyway.

 

Yes, and add Bogey to your list of young players dipping when many rise.

[mvp 78]

We've become a little spoiled, I think. It's still a great time to be a Red Sox fan, and that's been true since 2003. The John Henry era continues to pile up accomplishments.

 

It's been a great time to be a Sox fan since Nov 18, 1997 when they signed Pedro Martinez.

[sk7326]

Yes, and add Bogey to your list of young players dipping when many rise.

 

No - because I have seen enough players with that exact injury issue to withhold judgment.

[moonslav59]

No - because I have seen enough players with that exact injury issue to withhold judgment.

 

I'm not judging him. I was actually agreeing with your statement, "I think a lot of it is players being healthier and playing better. Seriously, this team had issues with both - and won 93 games! And note - Benintendi, Betts, Bradley did not actually have bad years ... they had years which were right in the middle of the bell curve of outcomes for them...."

 

Betts had wrist issues too, so I'm not sure why he was listed and not Bogey.

[sk7326]

I'm not judging him. I was actually agreeing with your statement, "I think a lot of it is players being healthier and playing better. Seriously, this team had issues with both - and won 93 games! And note - Benintendi, Betts, Bradley did not actually have bad years ... they had years which were right in the middle of the bell curve of outcomes for them...."

 

Betts had wrist issues too, so I'm not sure why he was listed and not Bogey.

 

Fair enough. Maybe Betts should have - his season was downer. Wrist hand things are really tough. Really anything that messes up the ability to hold the bat seems very hard to fix during the season. Chavis last year on the farm another good example.

[SoxnCycles]

I'm not judging him. I was actually agreeing with your statement, "I think a lot of it is players being healthier and playing better. Seriously, this team had issues with both - and won 93 games! And note - Benintendi, Betts, Bradley did not actually have bad years ... they had years which were right in the middle of the bell curve of outcomes for them...."

 

Betts had wrist issues too, so I'm not sure why he was listed and not Bogey.

 

Bogearts was hurt in the first week of July. Betts hurt his wrist in Sept.

I'm not sure how that affected the rest of his season.

He banged up his knee in July, but that was a short term injury.

[sk7326]

Bogearts was hurt in the first week of July. Betts hurt his wrist in Sept.

I'm not sure how that affected the rest of his season.

He banged up his knee in July, but that was a short term injury.

 

In September - well it did sap power seemingly ... but yeah that proves my point too.

[Spudboy]

Bogearts was hurt in the first week of July. Betts hurt his wrist in Sept.

I'm not sure how that affected the rest of his season.

He banged up his knee in July, but that was a short term injury.

 

One of the TV baseball sows in Boston talked about Betts hurting his hand in the second game of the season. Not sure about it but those guys all acted as if it was widely understood to be a problem for the entire season. I think it was his left hand.