Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[S5Dewey]

And what happens if he goes into one of his month long slump to end the season?

 

Then I temper my expectations and realize that maybe he hasn't turned the corner after all.

 

How long does he have to perform at a steady .700+ OPS before people start thinking that he's now the real deal?

 

{Interesting that now that we're no longer debating whether he's worth keeping because of his defense if he's hitting .200 some are now wondering when he's going to hit his next slump. That's not a given, folks!}

[moonslav59]

JBJ still has a .722 career OPS despite his horrible start to his career. He's over .700 since the start of 2017.

 

I think it's pretty safe to consider him as at least a .700 OPS with the ability to top .800 from time to time, sometimes even for a full season.

 

He's had more ups and downs than most players, but ending up between .700 and .850 is pretty good, when you can field like he does.

[cp176]

Easy there Big Guy. I'm just playing their game and using their numbers to play it.

 

JBJ's $6.1MM is chicken feed in today's market and DD likes him in CF. The only way he's going anyplace is if the FO feels that they're getting more value from whomever they receive in a trade. That's a very high bar to reach when one thinks about what JBJ provides for $6.1M.

 

Hey I'm not particularly upset by any of this. Certainly not with you. I hope JBJ finishes his career in Boston. Guess I'm just having a bad advanced stat kind of day. I love the fact that our team does not feel restricted by what the stat pushers say is inevitable - age,past performance, age ...

[mvp 78]

50% K rate the since 9/2!!!

[mvp 78]

JBJ still has a .722 career OPS despite his horrible start to EVERY SEASON. He's over .700 since the start of 2017.

 

I think it's pretty safe to consider him as at least a .700 OPS with the ability to top .800 from time to time, sometimes even for a full season.

 

He's had more ups and downs than most players, but ending up between .700 and .850 is pretty good, when you can field like he does.

 

ftfy

[moonslav59]

You mean, fiddee?

[mvp 78]

You mean, fiddee?

 

nope

[Slasher9]

Hey I'm not particularly upset by any of this. Certainly not with you. I hope JBJ finishes his career in Boston. Guess I'm just having a bad advanced stat kind of day. I love the fact that our team does not feel restricted by what the stat pushers say is inevitable - age,past performance, age ...

Keeping JBj was the 100% right call.

trading Espinoza for Pomeranz was the 100% wrong call.

[Slasher9]

ftfy

 

i mean your just talking about offense here, right? it's all you ever talk about when it comes to JBj.

does he start "every season" horribly with the glove? or defense no matter? right. eff defense. we only want offense!

[OH FOY]

By the time Espinoza makes the Majors, Pomeranz, probably wont be in the league. Espinoza had TJS a little more than a year ago. Next year, A Ball, and see how surgery worked, and building up the Arm.

Padres dropped the ball on Espinoza by having surgery way too late, last year.

Edit: Espinoza not even going to AFL this year. He hasn't pitched in 2 years, going into next year. Same Pitcher? Who knows. Still think the Padres make him a Reliever.

Edited September 6, 2018 by OH FOY!

[mvp 78]

i mean your just talking about offense here, right? it's all you ever talk about when it comes to JBj.

does he start "every season" horribly with the glove? or defense no matter? right. eff defense. we only want offense!

 

I'm just the mirror image of you then. You don't care if he hits .100. You've said it over and over again. No harm in me saying the opposite.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm just the mirror image of you then. You don't care if he hits .100. You've said it over and over again. No harm in me saying the opposite.

 

2 wrongs don't make a Steven Wright.

[Slasher9]

I'm just the mirror image of you then. You don't care if he hits .100. You've said it over and over again. No harm in me saying the opposite.

 

true.

one of us expects too much from our #9 hitter and perhaps one of us expects too little

[mvp 78]

2 wrongs don't make a Steven Wright.

 

Considering what we know about Steven's home life, this statement is incorrect.

[cp176]

Keeping JBj was the 100% right call.

trading Espinoza for Pomeranz was the 100% wrong call.

 

I'm pretty sure that Pomeranz is gone but I don't discount his 17 wins for us last year. It will be a long time before anything other than personal sentiment dictates whether this trade was right or wrong. Hindsight I guess. I will eat the boiled crow when and if Espinoza gets to his 20th major league win.

JBJ sure isn't much of a problem for us. Never was really. I don't even remember who it was hollering about trading him. It still might happen I guess but if it does I bet it will be for an all around upgrade.

[mvp 78]

true.

one of us expects too much from our #9 hitter and perhaps one of us expects too little

 

I'd be perfectly happy if he was just a replacement level bat. His current year average/obp/slg are all career lows (2015 on, I don't count 2014 era JBJ). The past two seasons, he's underperformed his projections.

 

If DD decided to sign him to a long term deal, I'd be fine with it. I just wish he didn't have those crazy slumps.

[notin]

Keeping JBj was the 100% right call.

trading Espinoza for Pomeranz was the 100% wrong call.

 

I was against dealing Espinoza for Pomeranz, but it absolutely has worked out for Boston.

 

My biggest problem was giving up our best pitching prospect for a pitcher who was already approaching his career high in IP. It just spelled injury disaster for the Sox. But Pomeranz not only finished out that season without getting hurt, but also had a terrific 2017 with no injuries. His injury-riddled 2018 was hardly a timely expectation on my part.

 

Given that Espinoza has not pitched in a long time and probably won't for a longer time, and that Pomeranzz exceeded expectations in both durability and performance, I do have to say that deal worked out for Boston.

 

And while many right now would prefer Pomeranz not return for 2019, his poor showing this year might make him the bargain of the 2018-19 free agent class. We've all seen what he can do...

[dannycater]

No, no.

[mvp 78]

And while many right now would prefer Pomeranz not return for 2019, his poor showing this year might make him the bargain of the 2018-19 free agent class. We've all seen what he can do...

 

That's true. And for the same reasons I don't like Buchholz, Pomeranz can take his act elsewhere.

[moonslav59]

I was against dealing Espinoza for Pomeranz, but it absolutely has worked out for Boston.

 

My biggest problem was giving up our best pitching prospect for a pitcher who was already approaching his career high in IP. It just spelled injury disaster for the Sox. But Pomeranz not only finished out that season without getting hurt, but also had a terrific 2017 with no injuries. His injury-riddled 2018 was hardly a timely expectation on my part.

 

Given that Espinoza has not pitched in a long time and probably won't for a longer time, and that Pomeranzz exceeded expectations in both durability and performance, I do have to say that deal worked out for Boston.

 

And while many right now would prefer Pomeranz not return for 2019, his poor showing this year might make him the bargain of the 2018-19 free agent class. We've all seen what he can do...

 

Would you trade Pom for Espi right now?

[mvp 78]

Would you trade Pom for Espi right now?

 

Sure, but that has no bearing on whether the trade was worth it back in 2016.

[a700hitter]

Sure, but that has no bearing on whether the trade was worth it back in 2016.

The sale of the Babe is looking pretty good right now.

[moonslav59]

Sure, but that has no bearing on whether the trade was worth it back in 2016.

 

I get that.

 

Pom certainly helped us get to the dance last year, and that had value, despite us not winning a ring.

 

Had he done what he did the first half of 2016 in the second half of 2016, we might have gone farther.

 

He's been no help this year.

 

One very good season, one half okay, and one horrible. I was kinda hoping for better, but with Espi's injury, the trade looks good for Boston.

 

Espi still has a chance to change the hindsight argument.

[mvp 78]

I get that.

 

Pom certainly helped us get to the dance last year, and that had value, despite us not winning a ring.

 

Had he done what he did the first half of 2016 in the second half of 2016, we might have gone farther.

 

He's been no help this year.

 

One very good season, one half okay, and one horrible. I was kinda hoping for better, but with Espi's injury, the trade looks good for Boston.

 

Espi still has a chance to change the hindsight argument.

 

And Pomeranz still has the chance to go on and win 5 straight CY awards.

[sk7326]

Would you trade Pom for Espi right now?

 

I did not love the trade when it happened.

 

At the same time, I get Dombrowski's calculation. He traded a very high variability player for a decent big leaguer. Now I don't think he predicted that Espinoza would basically lose 2 full seasons. But he was a prospect who was still at single-A, did not have a mature body, and largely had not created great results with his stuff.

 

Would you make the deal now? The idea would be trading an albatross for a lottery ticket. I don't think Pomeranz is an albatross yet.

[notin]

And Pomeranz still has the chance to go on and win 5 straight CY awards.

 

But for who? Not like the Sox control him after this season. And certainly shouldn’t give him a 5 year deal...

[OH FOY]

I would love to get Espinoza back right now. Absolutely Trade Pomeranz for Espinoza. Padres would be idiots, that's alright. Edited September 7, 2018 by OH FOY!

[mvp 78]

But for who? Not like the Sox control him after this season. And certainly shouldn’t give him a 5 year deal...

 

I was told yesterday that he'd sign for the minimum and could be a great pickup!

[Slasher9]

And Pomeranz still has the chance to go on and win 5 straight CY awards.

 

not with 2 pitches. and 1 of them is mediocre at best.

[moonslav59]

I was told yesterday that he'd sign for the minimum and could be a great pickup!

 

He will get way more than minimum.