Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[mvp 78]

No way I have JBJ on the bench period .The man along with Kike can rival the days with Mookie .That being said opens up some discussion though .Duran And Verdugo ? Which one would you keep moving forward ? Is Verdugo only Benny 2.0 ? Is Duran the next Swihart ? I would trade Duran over the two .Suzuki ? Is the rumors true and this is plan A ? If so are we looking at Kike as a full time SS ? Ahhhhh see what I did there ? Why not blow up payroll this year and get Kris Bryant also ? Kike Kris Devers Xander all can play multiple positions and give the team flexibility.Sorry for so many posts it’s been a minute for me .

 

I think Verdugo has a good amount of trade value. It's less likely he is dealt since they moved Renfroe. I'm not sure what other teams think about Duran after 2021. May be better to hold onto him? IDK.

 

I really don't see the Sox making any long term moves this year and that includes Bryant.

[notin]

I think Verdugo has a good amount of trade value. It's less likely he is dealt since they moved Renfroe. I'm not sure what other teams think about Duran after 2021. May be better to hold onto him? IDK.

 

I really don't see the Sox making any long term moves this year and that includes Bryant.

 

Bryant is a fun pipe dream, but probably not in the cards.

 

If the Sox sign a RHH corner OF, Andrew McCutchen and his .900 OPS vs LHP seems more likely to me...

[moonslav59]

Bryant is a fun pipe dream, but probably not in the cards.

 

If the Sox sign a RHH corner OF, Andrew McCutchen and his .900 OPS vs LHP seems more likely to me...

 

He'd probably take a one year deal, too. Just up Bloom's alley.

[mvp 78]

Bryant is a fun pipe dream, but probably not in the cards.

 

If the Sox sign a RHH corner OF, Andrew McCutchen and his .900 OPS vs LHP seems more likely to me...

 

I'd sign him for 1/3. That's fine with me.

[notin]

I'd sign him for 1/3. That's fine with me.

 

And he is a lot more likely than Trevor Story, who would only work out if the Sox also decided to play their home games in Coors...

[notin]

I'd sign him for 1/3. That's fine with me.

 

Now if they do sign someone like McCutchen, does thsat mean the OF alignment is:

 

LF: Duran (vs RHP) McCutchen (vs LHP)

CF: Bradley

RF: Verdugo

 

Or is it:

 

LF: Verdugo

CF: Duran

RF: Bradley (vs RHP) McCutchen (vs LHP)

 

Do either of these alignments make your earlobes wiggle?

[moonslav59]

Now if they do sign someone like McCutchen, does thsat mean the OF alignment is:

 

LF: Duran (vs RHP) McCutchen (vs LHP)

CF: Bradley

RF: Verdugo

 

Or is it:

 

LF: Verdugo

CF: Duran

RF: Bradley (vs RHP) McCutchen (vs LHP)

 

Do either of these alignments make your earlobes wiggle?

 

Maybe...

 

vs RHP:

2B Kike (.690 career v R)

LF Duran (.624 career v R- tiny sample size)

CF JBJ (.717 career v R)

RF Verdugo (.847 career vs R)

 

vs LHP

2B Arroyo (.701 career v L)

LF McCutchen (.954 career v L)

CF Kike (.826 career v L)

RF Verdugo (.674 career v R)

[mvp 78]

And he is a lot more likely than Trevor Story, who would only work out if the Sox also decided to play their home games in Coors...

 

I couldn't stay up that late for every game.

[mvp 78]

Now if they do sign someone like McCutchen, does thsat mean the OF alignment is:

 

LF: Duran (vs RHP) McCutchen (vs LHP)

CF: Bradley

RF: Verdugo

 

Or is it:

 

LF: Verdugo

CF: Duran

RF: Bradley (vs RHP) McCutchen (vs LHP)

 

Do either of these alignments make your earlobes wiggle?

 

I still want Kiké in CF.

[moonslav59]

I still want Kiké in CF.

 

Me, too. If we sign Suzuki, I can't see it happening much, even if we trade Duran or JBJ.

 

If nothing is changed in the OF, we might see...

 

vs RHP:

2B Kike (.690 career v R)

LF Duran (.624 career v R- tiny sample size)

CF JBJ (.717 career v R)

RF Verdugo (.847 career vs R)

 

vs LHP

2B Arroyo (.701 career v L)

LF McCutchen (.954 career v L)

CF Kike (.826 career v L)

RF Verdugo (.674 career v R)

[Hugh2]

Here is my 2022 outfield.

 

LF Verdugo

CF Kike

RF Suzuki

 

4th outfielder is defensive wizard JBJ who bounces back to have a .715 OPS.

[Elktonnick]

No way I have JBJ on the bench period .The man along with Kike can rival the days with Mookie .That being said opens up some discussion though .Duran And Verdugo ? Which one would you keep moving forward ? Is Verdugo only Benny 2.0 ? Is Duran the next Swihart ? I would trade Duran over the two .Suzuki ? Is the rumors true and this is plan A ? If so are we looking at Kike as a full time SS ? Ahhhhh see what I did there ? Why not blow up payroll this year and get Kris Bryant also ? Kike Kris Devers Xander all can play multiple positions and give the team flexibility.Sorry for so many posts it’s been a minute for me .

 

I must say I think you are on to something about Duran. Unless he can turn it around with fantastic spring and have a breakout season, I see him as the classic 4A ballplayer, a triple A star who can not hit major league pitching with mediocre defense.

[moonslav59]

Here is my 2022 outfield.

 

LF Verdugo

CF Kike

RF Suzuki

 

4th outfielder is defensive wizard JBJ who bounces back to have a .715 OPS.

 

So, we trade Duran, then.

[S5Dewey]

It's become obvious to people who follow the Sox that the configuration of the Fenway outfield requires two players with the capability to play CF well.

 

I know I'm probably in the minority here but IMO while Bradley was considered a throw-in with the trade for two prospects he also was acquired to fill a defensive gap in the 2021 outfield. I see him getting another chance to prove that his offensive liabilities are offset by his stellar defense.

 

Remember, Mike Lowell was a throw-in too.

[harmony]

I must say I think you are on to something about Duran. Unless he can turn it around with fantastic spring and have a breakout season, I see him as the classic 4A ballplayer, a triple A star who can not hit major league pitching with mediocre defense.

Hometown bias noted, but one poster would not trade Seattle center fielder Taylor Trammell for Jarren Duran, who is a year older than Trammell.

 

Trammell and Duran had disappointing MLB debuts this year, although Duran was more disappointing.

 

JD 112 PA, .215/.241/.336/.578, 51 OPS+, -0.7 bWAR, -0.5 fWAR

TT 178 PA, .160/.256/.359/.615, 71 OPS+, -0.3 bWAR, -0.1 fWAR

 

In small samples, Duran was the clearly inferior defensive center fielder with -5 Defensive Runs Saved and -28.8 UZR/150 in 215 innings while Trammell posted 0 DRS and 0.1 UZR/150 in 312.2 innings.

 

Each enjoyed some success hitting at Triple A this year, although Duran had the edge:

 

JD 283 PA, .258/.357/.516/.873, 132 wRC+

TT 323 PA, .263/.362/.456/.818, 104 wRC+

 

The FanGraphs Prospect Report has curious values for the two 2021 Graduates:

 

JD Hit 45/55, Game Power 30/35, Raw Power 45/45, Speed 70/70, Field 35/40, FV 50

TT Hit 40/45, Game Power 40/50, Raw Power 55/55, Speed 70/70, Field 60/70, FV 45

 

Duran's Game Power rating may be low but the other values do not seem to support the ultimate Future Values (FV).

 

Steamer projects 2022 WAR of 0.8 in 115 games for Duran and 0.1 in 21 games for Trammell.

 

Duran and Trammell played in the 2019 Futures Game (Trammell's second) but Duran entered Top 100 prospect lists only this year. MLB.com currently ranks Duran at No. 25.

 

Trammell lost his prospect status in 2021 after entering the season at the 100th-ranked prospect at MLB.com and 72nd-ranked prospect at Baseball Prospectus. In 2019 Trammell ranked No. 16 at MLB.com and No. 11 at BP.

 

Duran and Trammell each have six years of team control. Baseball Trade Values assigns median surplus trade values of $20.1 million for Duran and $5.1 million for Trammell.

 

Perhaps each is destined to be a "classic 4A ballplayer, a Triple A star."

 

Or not.

[notin]

I must say I think you are on to something about Duran. Unless he can turn it around with fantastic spring and have a breakout season, I see him as the classic 4A ballplayer, a triple A star who can not hit major league pitching with mediocre defense.

 

I was about s unenthusiastic as anyone about Duran, but it’s only 114 PAs. Pedroia looked worse after his extremely brief debut as well.

 

I think Duran gets another shot. Since he’s not as young as Pedroia was, it might t be a lengthy one, but he at least deserves one. And having Bradley around gives the Sox a little depth just in case…

[mvp 78]

It's become obvious to people who follow the Sox that the configuration of the Fenway outfield requires two players with the capability to play CF well.

 

I know I'm probably in the minority here but IMO while Bradley was considered a throw-in with the trade for two prospects he also was acquired to fill a defensive gap in the 2021 outfield. I see him getting another chance to prove that his offensive liabilities are offset by his stellar defense.

 

Remember, Mike Lowell was a throw-in too.

 

Lowell was coming off one down year. Before that, he had 5 straight seasons with WRC+ above 100. It's been a long time since JBJ had a full season like that.

[notin]

Lowell was coming off one down year. Before that, he had 5 straight seasons with WRC+ above 100. It's been a long time since JBJ had a full season like that.

 

I believe it was a down year that coincided with a cancer diagnosis as well…

[Swiharts Ghost]

JBJ is a CF he’s a pure Glove CF .I will take JBJ and his glove and hot streaks over Hunter every single time .I will also admit I missed the guy and think we lost something in the playoffs without him .The question now is what does this mean going forward ? I think it means goodbye Duran .Bloom is not my favorite Guy but he made a hell of a trade and it opens the door for a larger trade .My wish lists are pie in the sky for myself and Redsox Nation .Blow up the payroll this winter for Suzuki and Correa and get one stud pitcher back from Oakland in trade .I just see Correa as an enormous upgrade and if he doesn’t come I’m for Bryant over Story .Story has crazy splits and it scares the s*** out of me .I view Blooms moves positively this winter for an enormous acquisition .But I’m crazy AF .....so there’s that .

[moonslav59]

It's become obvious to people who follow the Sox that the configuration of the Fenway outfield requires two players with the capability to play CF well.

 

I know I'm probably in the minority here but IMO while Bradley was considered a throw-in with the trade for two prospects he also was acquired to fill a defensive gap in the 2021 outfield. I see him getting another chance to prove that his offensive liabilities are offset by his stellar defense.

 

Remember, Mike Lowell was a throw-in too.

 

I agree.

 

I will say, Mike Lowell was more of a salary dump. He was also a GG 3Bman.

 

I'm not sure you can equate 5 straight years over .789 and 3 straight over .816 before hitting .658 the year before the Sox trade to JBJ's offensive struggles that have occurred in 4 of his last 5 seasons- the only good season being the shortened 2020 season.

 

I do think JBJ will play.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I must say I think you are on to something about Duran. Unless he can turn it around with fantastic spring and have a breakout season, I see him as the classic 4A ballplayer, a triple A star who can not hit major league pitching with mediocre defense.

 

Great kid and I do think he can have a nice career but he’s an absolute train wreck in the OF . I have a very polarizing view of Duran .I do think he is a 250 hitter with 12 HR 35 Ribby. At his best with 25 steals if he gets the at bats .I don’t see Duran as the everyday CF for a Red Sox or Yankee team .I really would like to see Suzuki at Fenway his swing is tailored to our park if you haven’t seen it yet and he plays Solid D .he would slot in to RF pretty seamlessly.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[Hugh2]

So, we trade Duran, then.

 

You could, but you do not have to. He still has plenty of team control left, probably still needs a little more time to develop, and may end up being a starter by the end of 2022. Injuries and underperformance can happen, and maybe if you believe in his bat one day you trade Verdugo instead of him. Perhaps if his defense take a step forward but the bat doesn't progress quite how you wish he replaces JBJ as a 4th outfielder.

 

Just because you're not penciling in Duran to start in 2022 doesn't mean you trade him, but you could? sure.

[Hugh2]

It's become obvious to people who follow the Sox that the configuration of the Fenway outfield requires two players with the capability to play CF well.

 

I know I'm probably in the minority here but IMO while Bradley was considered a throw-in with the trade for two prospects he also was acquired to fill a defensive gap in the 2021 outfield. I see him getting another chance to prove that his offensive liabilities are offset by his stellar defense.

 

Remember, Mike Lowell was a throw-in too.

 

I think there's also a very real and good chance that JBJ is much better than he was in 2021. His career averages are much better than he was last year, and he got a late start and was battling plantar fasciitis for most of the year. I think the deal was about the prospects, but I do think the Sox also think JBJ is going to perform much better in 2022 as well.

[mvp 78]

JBJ is a CF he’s a pure Glove CF .I will take JBJ and his glove and hot streaks over Hunter every single time .I will also admit I missed the guy and think we lost something in the playoffs without him .The question now is what does this mean going forward ? I think it means goodbye Duran .Bloom is not my favorite Guy but he made a hell of a trade and it opens the door for a larger trade .My wish lists are pie in the sky for myself and Redsox Nation .Blow up the payroll this winter for Suzuki and Correa and get one stud pitcher back from Oakland in trade .I just see Correa as an enormous upgrade and if he doesn’t come I’m for Bryant over Story .Story has crazy splits and it scares the s*** out of me .I view Blooms moves positively this winter for an enormous acquisition .But I’m crazy AF .....so there’s that .

 

I just don't see Bloom signing one of those massive contracts this offseason.

[Hugh2]

I just don't see Bloom signing one of those massive contracts this offseason.

 

I don't disagree, but I'm not sold that he won't either. Bloom never had an owner with a checkbook before and his first full year here he was operating under the mandate (a presumption with strong evidence) of getting under the luxury tax limit. Those handcuffs appear to be gone at this time so we're seeing Bloom operate under circumstances we have never seen before.

 

The Sox have been tied to both Correa and Story, they were tied to Baez too and he signed elsewhere so this could just be standard checking in and seeing. I would be shocked, but not completely surprised if the Sox sign a big-time SS this winter, if Bogaerts walk they have no obvious replacement right now and there's not much in the market next year it's all there this year.

[Bellhorn04]

I just don't see Bloom signing one of those massive contracts this offseason.

 

Me either. Especially since we have a player in house, Devers, who they should be signing to one.

[Hugh2]

Me either. Especially since we have a player in house, Devers, who they should be signing to one.

 

To be fair, if history is any precedent, Bloom is just as likely to trade Devers for prospects before his last year of team control. Especially if Bogaerts ends up being the guy you sign an extension for, you might figure he slides over to 3B and if Casas is locking down 1B then Devers is the odd man out.

 

I'm all for a Devers extension, but I can easily imagine a scenario where he is not resigned here. Easily.

[S5Dewey]

Lowell was coming off one down year. Before that, he had 5 straight seasons with WRC+ above 100. It's been a long time since JBJ had a full season like that.

 

If one compares Lowell's offensive stats with JBJ's offensive stats Lowell will always come out ahead. JBJ's offense will never compare with Lowell's. OTHO Lowell has an average career dWAR of 0.2 while JBJ's average dWAR is 1.5. I'm not trying to say that JBJ is a better player, only that there's more to baseball than offensive stats.

 

All of this doesn't alter the fact that the trade was actually Hanley and Anibel Sanchez for Josh Beckett. Lowell (and a few other guys) were throw-ins and Beckett turned out to be by far the best of the throw-ins.

[mvp 78]

I don't disagree, but I'm not sold that he won't either. Bloom never had an owner with a checkbook before and his first full year here he was operating under the mandate (a presumption with strong evidence) of getting under the luxury tax limit. Those handcuffs appear to be gone at this time so we're seeing Bloom operate under circumstances we have never seen before.

 

The Sox have been tied to both Correa and Story, they were tied to Baez too and he signed elsewhere so this could just be standard checking in and seeing. I would be shocked, but not completely surprised if the Sox sign a big-time SS this winter, if Bogaerts walk they have no obvious replacement right now and there's not much in the market next year it's all there this year.

 

"Being tied to a FA" is more due to agents across the league trying to negotiate better contracts for their guys. Just because they are in conversations doesn't mean they are remotely close to signing those guys. There's just no chance.

[S5Dewey]

To be fair, if history is any precedent, Bloom is just as likely to trade Devers for prospects before his last year of team control. Especially if Bogaerts ends up being the guy you sign an extension for, you might figure he slides over to 3B and if Casas is locking down 1B then Devers is the odd man out.

This is what's referred to in my home as a "first world problem" - having so much talent that the FO can't afford to pay them all.

 

A certain female poster here has made a believer out of me when she says that long term contracts may be beneficial to the team in the short run but committing to a player for 8-10 years is folly. Not only is the player going to age past their prime, but younger players are going to be reaching their prime at a much lower cost.

 

Of course this is all a part of the salary structure which the player's union is trying to rectify now by getting the younger elite players more money sooner in their careers. If the players union is successful teams may be able to sign elite talent at age 20 to a 10 year contract without having a 34 year old albatross around their necks.