Sox hitting??

[iortiz]

If we can't get back JBJ, Nuñez, Pedroia, Hanley and Moreland to their standard numbers and healthy, we are done in POs. You just can't go with Young, Marrero, Holt, etc.

[mvp 78]

If we can't get back JBJ, Nuñez, Pedroia, Hanley and Moreland to their standard numbers and healthy, we are done in POs. You just can't go with Young, Marrero, Holt, etc.

 

JBJ is in a sucky stretch he won't pull out of. Pedroia and Nunez are injured. Hanley is terrible right now. Moreland is just mediocre, it's all he'll ever be.

[iortiz]

JBJ is in a sucky stretch he won't pull out of. Pedroia and Nunez are injured. Hanley is terrible right now. Moreland is just mediocre, it's all he'll ever be.

 

Hopefully we can get the best versions as possible of them in PO despite their current performance and healthy conditions.

 

It could sound more like a good wish than reality but it's what we have.

[Kimmi]

Yes, and we miss him greatly. We have JBJ hitting for a .173 avg for the month of Sept and not at all for the last week. Hanley is a shadow of the guy we need. If we get the pennant it will be an accomplishment with hitting this poor.

 

Gordon Edes‏ @GordonEdes 22m22 minutes ago

 

Sox OPS, by spot in the batting order: 7th, 5th, 6th, 14th, 15th, 7th, 10th, 2d, 9th.

 

Astros: 1st, 2d, 1st, 7th, 11th, 4th, 2d, 1st, 1st

 

That pretty much tells the story of our hitting.

[moonslav59]

Gordon Edes‏ @GordonEdes 22m22 minutes ago

 

Sox OPS, by spot in the batting order: 7th, 5th, 6th, 14th, 15th, 7th, 10th, 2d, 9th.

 

Astros: 1st, 2d, 1st, 7th, 11th, 4th, 2d, 1st, 1st

 

That pretty much tells the story of our hitting.

 

...and theirs.

[oldtimer]

Gordon Edes‏ @GordonEdes 22m22 minutes ago

 

Sox OPS, by spot in the batting order: 7th, 5th, 6th, 14th, 15th, 7th, 10th, 2d, 9th.

 

Astros: 1st, 2d, 1st, 7th, 11th, 4th, 2d, 1st, 1st

 

That pretty much tells the story of our hitting.

 

Kimmi. There is not much we can do with the hitting this year. The Astros have also strengthened their pitching. hope for Nunez return to give us a somewhat better chance.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi. There is not much we can do with the hitting this year. The Astros have also strengthened their pitching. hope for Nunez return to give us a somewhat better chance.

 

Our hitting is what it is. I kept waiting for them to turn it on, much like in 2014, and they never really did consistently. They are middle of the pack. Fortunately, our pitching has been good enough to keep us in most games.

 

Pitching and defense. Isn't that what wins championships?

[moonslav59]

Our hitting is what it is. I kept waiting for them to turn it on, much like in 2014, and they never really did consistently. They are middle of the pack. Fortunately, our pitching has been good enough to keep us in most games.

 

Pitching and defense. Isn't that what wins championships?

 

Yes, and two games should not make people get all huffy.

[cp176]

I like the approach the Astros took to E-Rod last night. While everybody was thinking that E-Rod must have been tipping pitches or maybe it was the pre-game scouts that gave them the boost, in reality it was a pretty simple aproach - see the ball hit the ball. Sounds pretty simple doesn't hit amid all this talk of hitting technique that our hitters are lacking in. I still just don't think that our guys are all that good when it comes to seeing it and hitting it. You want better hitters at this level, you need to go out and get some better hitters. Our guys have over achieved.

[Nick]

And yet we don't want to talk about trading for Stanton and Votto.

[oldtimer]

Our hitting is what it is. I kept waiting for them to turn it on, much like in 2014, and they never really did consistently. They are middle of the pack. Fortunately, our pitching has been good enough to keep us in most games.

 

Pitching and defense. Isn't that what wins championships?

 

Kimmi. There needs to be a balance. Cleveland has pitching and defense achieving to a greater extent than ours, if you look at errors and pitching performances. They also has run production and more reliable hitting. Same with Houston. No team is perfect but the better teams have balance. Our team doesn't hit that well and right now our pitching is not going well so it seems worse than it is. We still are a good team but not one who is competitive with the best. Many of us see the handwriting on the wall this year and look to see improvement going forward. Better hitting, better management, improvement in our weakest areas and we can be more competitive. For those who are Pollyanna's, good for them as it doesn't hurt anything to hope.

[cp176]

And yet we don't want to talk about trading for Stanton and Votto.

 

some of "we" do for sure! I'm not buying any talk about a need for a new hitting coach either. It is about the players.

[oldtimer]

some of "we" do for sure! I'm not buying any talk about a need for a new hitting coach either. It is about the players.

 

When the majority of players are hitting below expectations then it makes sense to look for a common reason. One that is clearly common to them all is the hitting coach.

[Spudboy]

When the majority of players are hitting below expectations then it makes sense to look for a common reason. One that is clearly common to them all is the hitting coach.

 

Or maybe these hitters are not as good as well believe that they are.

[Nick]

Or maybe these hitters are not as good as well believe that they are.

 

Yep....blaming it on hitting coach is asinine. He was good in 2016 but bad in 2017? Okay.

[Spudboy]

Yep....blaming it on hitting coach is asinine. He was good in 2016 but bad in 2017? Okay.

 

Everyone likes to lay blame on someone. Especially when none of us know for sure what is wrong.

[notin]

And yet we don't want to talk about trading for Stanton and Votto.

 

We can talk about it al we want. But they talks always devolve into some sort of incredibly lop-sided deal that neither Miami nor Cincy would ever consider.

 

If you were GM of Miami, would you even consider dealing Stanton to the Red Sox without getting Devers or Benintendi back?

[mvp 78]

Just sign JD Martinez and hold onto all of your assets.

[cp176]

When the majority of players are hitting below expectations then it makes sense to look for a common reason. One that is clearly common to them all is the hitting coach.

 

I just think that we have some differences of opinion here and that is about it. I believe as I think at least one other person must that these guys are in fact over achievers. What we are seeing this year very well might be who they are. When there is a problem, of course it makes sense to look for reasons for its cause. I just think that it really is a case of seeing it and hitting it as much as anything. I don't think that Chili Davis is the problem at all.

[cp176]

Everyone likes to lay blame on someone. Especially when none of us know for sure what is wrong.

 

If Chili had good hitters to begin with, he would be considered a genius.

[Spudboy]

If Chili had good hitters to begin with, he would be considered a genius.

 

Yup.

 

He can't get into the box and take cuts for guys so it's all on them.

 

You can have a great teacher and still be only capable of getting Cs.

[moonslav59]

Just sign JD Martinez and hold onto all of your assets.

 

That looks like best idea. We cannot afford to trade players or top prospects. I'd also like to see us bring back Nunez, but I'm not sure we can afford both.

[cp176]

Yup.

 

He can't get into the box and take cuts for guys so it's all on them.

 

You can have a great teacher and still be only capable of getting Cs.

 

Last time I checked you still couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken s***. Now - our guys aren't chicken s*** by any means but I've been watching them all year just like everybody else. It is amazing to me that we are where we are.

[notin]

Just sign JD Martinez and hold onto all of your assets.

 

That's certainly one plan. And Dombrowski has signed him before.

 

Another plan might be to sign Cobb and deal ERod for a hitter, but that is less likely and more complicated...

[Kimmi]

Kimmi. There needs to be a balance. Cleveland has pitching and defense achieving to a greater extent than ours, if you look at errors and pitching performances. They also has run production and more reliable hitting. Same with Houston. No team is perfect but the better teams have balance. Our team doesn't hit that well and right now our pitching is not going well so it seems worse than it is. We still are a good team but not one who is competitive with the best. Many of us see the handwriting on the wall this year and look to see improvement going forward. Better hitting, better management, improvement in our weakest areas and we can be more competitive. For those who are Pollyanna's, good for them as it doesn't hurt anything to hope.

 

Cleveland, Houston, and NY are all better teams than we are. I don't deny that. That said, the first goal is to get to the playoffs, which we have. Once there, anything can happen. The best teams don't always win. As I've said in other threads, I like our chances as well as anyone else's.

 

They don't call me Pollyanna Kimmi for nothing!

[moonslav59]

Cleveland, Houston, and NY are all better teams than we are. I don't deny that. That said, the first goal is to get to the playoffs, which we have. Once there, anything can happen. The best teams don't always win. As I've said in other threads, I like our chances as well as anyone else's.

 

They don't call me Pollyanna Kimmi for nothing!

 

I like our chances, too.

 

However, if I had to set the odds, I'd give CLE the edge.

[devildavid]

The Sox offense may not be tops in the AL, but they do rank 6th in runs/game and 5th in OBP. They are next to last in SLG. So OBP does appear to be very important for generating runs. Only one team, Texas, has a higher runs/game with a lower OBP. Would one power bat really have that big of an impact on the overall offense?

[Nick]

We can talk about it al we want. But they talks always devolve into some sort of incredibly lop-sided deal that neither Miami nor Cincy would ever consider.

 

If you were GM of Miami, would you even consider dealing Stanton to the Red Sox without getting Devers or Benintendi back?

 

I'm realistic. Hell I give up Beni and whatever they want in our minor league system for Stanton. A 60 homer guy. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Station 13]

We can do with somebody like JD Martinez (40HR), only for cash. Stanton has an insane 300 mil on his contract. Martinez might not even get half of that.

[notin]

When the majority of players are hitting below expectations then it makes sense to look for a common reason. One that is clearly common to them all is the hitting coach.

 

Another might be lofty expectations.

 

The assumption was the offense that outscored everyone by 100 runs would take a step down but still be good without Ortiz. But if removing Ortiz had a bigger impact than anyone thought, that isn't on Chili Davis.

 

And if Davis was such an inadequate hitting coach capable of destroying the entire lineup at once, how on Earth did this team outscore everyone by 100 runs last year when he was the hitting coach then, too?