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[Emp9]

I might be mistaken, but didn't both of Devers' errors lead to an unearned run. Both games we lost by a run (yesterday)or went to extra innings (tonight)?

 

No one play causes a win or a loss, but those two didn't help.

 

I thought XB's error was more egregious last night than Dever's. Dever's E came earlier in the game on a slight, but unfortunate, bounce. XB's E was late in the game (8th inning?) when he tried to unnessarily one-hand it and he totally missed. There was zero reason to try and one-hand it there. If XB actually used his glove on that play ( ya' know... because that's what having a glove is for), he had a better chance of throwing out the runner at 1B. He tries to get showy sometimes, at the wrong times, and it hurts us every time.

[moonslav59]

I thought XB's error was more egregious last night than Dever's. Dever's E came earlier in the game on a slight, but unfortunate, bounce. XB's E was late in the game (8th inning?) when he tried to unnessarily one-hand it and he totally missed. There was zero reason to try and one-hand it there. If XB actually used his glove on that play ( ya' know... because that's what having a glove is for), he had a better chance of throwing out the runner at 1B. He tries to get showy sometimes, at the wrong times, and it hurts us every time.

 

BAL scored their 8th run due to an Error by Devers. We were tied 8-8 after 9.

 

Bogey's error in the 8th led to no runs.

[Emp9]

BAL scored their 8th run due to an Error by Devers. We were tied 8-8 after 9.

 

Bogey's error in the 8th led to no runs.

 

I don't care. It was still a much worse error than Dever's.

[moonslav59]

I don't care. It was still a much worse error than Dever's.

 

Okay, but you were responding to my point about errors by Devers almsot having a direct impact of 2 losses in a row.... not which errors were better worse looking.

[Emp9]

Okay, but you were responding to my point about errors by Devers almsot having a direct impact of 2 losses in a row.... not which errors were better worse looking.

 

Yes, I'm fully aware. MY point, if kindly allowed of course is.. There are different levels of f***ing up. One is lack of abilty. Another is having the ability but f***ing up anyway because said player wanted to look cool. I hope XB doesn't pull that showey s*** in the post season.

[mvp 78]

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The word here would be "CLUTCH."

 

If you don't believe in clutch, you don't believe in the Red Sox.

[greenwell]

I thought XB's error was more egregious last night than Dever's. Dever's E came earlier in the game on a slight, but unfortunate, bounce. XB's E was late in the game (8th inning?) when he tried to unnessarily one-hand it and he totally missed. There was zero reason to try and one-hand it there. If XB actually used his glove on that play ( ya' know... because that's what having a glove is for), he had a better chance of throwing out the runner at 1B. He tries to get showy sometimes, at the wrong times, and it hurts us every time.

 

The scorer (and I as well) disagree that he didn't need to barehand it. The batter was given a single, the error was allowing him to get to second.

[S5Dewey]

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The word here would be "CLUTCH."

 

If you don't believe in clutch, you don't believe in the Red Sox.

 

But can you statistically prove that what Beni did wasn't the result of randomness and had nothing to do with an ability to 'dig a bit deeper'?

[moonslav59]

Yes, I'm fully aware. MY point, if kindly allowed of course is.. There are different levels of f***ing up. One is lack of abilty. Another is having the ability but f***ing up anyway because said player wanted to look cool. I hope XB doesn't pull that showey s*** in the post season.

 

Agreed, and with a UZR/150 now in the negative and a DRS near worst in MLB, showing off should be the last thing on his mind.

[oldtimer]

Agreed, and with a UZR/150 now in the negative and a DRS near worst in MLB, showing off should be the last thing on his mind.

 

My point earlier is 12 errors in now 45 games are too many and Devers needs to improve. Given that he is a rookie and only 20, there is a likelihood that he will improve, but like the AAA, you have to admit to having a problem before you can solve it.

[S5Dewey]

My point earlier is 12 errors in now 45 games are too many and Devers needs to improve. Given that he is a rookie and only 20, there is a likelihood that he will improve, but like the AAA, you have to admit to having a problem before you can solve it.

 

I agree that Devers needs to improve his defense but right now he's got to play 3B because he's all we've got. At least having him at 3B is better than what we had there pre-Devers.

[moonslav59]

My point earlier is 12 errors in now 45 games are too many and Devers needs to improve. Given that he is a rookie and only 20, there is a likelihood that he will improve, but like the AAA, you have to admit to having a problem before you can solve it.

 

I was talking about XB.

 

I do think Devers has a ways to go to get plus on 3B defense. I also do not like the little hesitation he makes before throwing. I think it cost us that play vs the Yanks where the review showed the guy safe by an eyelash. That wasn't even called an error.

 

Our left side infield is not pretty on D.

 

Devers -9.8 UZR/150 and -4 DRS (on pace for -12 in 1200 innings.)

 

Bogey -1.3 UZR/150 and -11 DRS in just over 1200 innings.

[moonslav59]

My point earlier is 12 errors in now 45 games are too many and Devers needs to improve. Given that he is a rookie and only 20, there is a likelihood that he will improve, but like the AAA, you have to admit to having a problem before you can solve it.

 

He's defending at a 40+ error per 1400 innings pace.

 

He seems athletic. I think he can work out the hesitation before throwing while improving his arm accuracy, but I'm still thinking we should at least consider moving him to 1B, if we can get a good 3Bman who can bat clean-up.

[mvp 78]

He's defending at a 40+ error per 1400 innings pace.

 

He seems athletic. I think he can work out the hesitation before throwing while improving his arm accuracy, but I'm still thinking we should at least consider moving him to 1B, if we can get a good 3Bman who can bat clean-up.

 

And even the day Devers brought him up you were still thinking that it was the wrong decision.

 

Stop doubting the future HOFer.

[Slasher9]

BAL scored their 8th run due to an Error by Devers. We were tied 8-8 after 9.

 

Bogey's error in the 8th led to no runs.

 

X's play qualifies as Boneheaded. without a doubt.

[S5Dewey]

X's play qualifies as Boneheaded. without a doubt.

 

The way it was scored at the time meant that the official scorer felt that Xbo couldn't have gotten the ball to 1B in time even if he'd fielded it cleanly barehanded - therefore it was scored as a hit. The error came on the errant throw that allowed the runner to advance to second.

 

I didn't agree with that in the beginning. Even seeing it live on tv (if there is such a thing) I thought his best chance to make the play was to handle it the way a SS usually makes a play - with the glove and then throw the runner out. IMO Bogaerts was showboating a bit and the official scorer bailed him out by only charging him with one error rather than two.

 

It's not the first time I've disagreed with the official scorer and it probably won't be the last.

[Slasher9]

The way it was scored at the time meant that the official scorer felt that Xbo couldn't have gotten the ball to 1B in time even if he'd fielded it cleanly barehanded - therefore it was scored as a hit. The error came on the errant throw that allowed the runner to advance to second.

 

I didn't agree with that in the beginning. Even seeing it live on tv (if there is such a thing) I thought his best chance to make the play was to handle it the way a SS usually makes a play - with the glove and then throw the runner out. IMO Bogaerts was showboating a bit and the official scorer bailed him out by only charging him with one error rather than two.

 

It's not the first time I've disagreed with the official scorer and it probably won't be the last.

 

i'm actually not even bothered by scorer giving the batter a hit there. a hit only pisses off 1 person, an error pisses off 2.

but X needs to at least knock that ball down, if not catch it with leather. what he did allowed the runner to get into scoring position. IMO that's what makes it "boneheaded". situational awareness. go-ahead runner on 1b in the 8th inning is 73% less stressful than a runner on 2b in that situation.

[moonslav59]

x's play qualifies as boneheaded. Without a doubt.

 

lol

[devildavid]

But can you statistically prove that what Beni did wasn't the result of randomness and had nothing to do with an ability to 'dig a bit deeper'?

 

What does 'dig a bit deeper' mean? Hitting a baseball is about being consistent with your swing and not chasing bad pitches. Beni, if he's good hitter, would generally take the same approach with every at bat. What changes if he digs a bit deeper? Now, a hitter might go out of the zone to attempt to get a hit instead of a walk. Is that how they dig a bit deeper?

[devildavid]

Yes, I'm fully aware. MY point, if kindly allowed of course is.. There are different levels of f***ing up. One is lack of abilty. Another is having the ability but f***ing up anyway because said player wanted to look cool. I hope XB doesn't pull that showey s*** in the post season.

 

I have thought that Bogey always looks cool. I'm not sure if he's trying to or it's just his natural demeanor.

[S5Dewey]

What does 'dig a bit deeper' mean? Hitting a baseball is about being consistent with your swing and not chasing bad pitches. Beni, if he's good hitter, would generally take the same approach with every at bat. What changes if he digs a bit deeper? Now, a hitter might go out of the zone to attempt to get a hit instead of a walk. Is that how they dig a bit deeper?

 

It's the ability to do things you don't ordinarily do because of the adrenaline rush. You do believe in adrenaline, don't you?

[devildavid]

It's the ability to do things you don't ordinarily do because of the adrenaline rush. You do believe in adrenaline, don't you?

 

Adrenaline does not help anyone hit better. Beni hit a seeing eye ground ball single that had nothing to do with an adrenaline rush and everything to do with luck. He did not place that grounder due to adrenaline.

[S5Dewey]

Adrenaline does not help anyone hit better. Beni hit a seeing eye ground ball single that had nothing to do with an adrenaline rush and everything to do with luck. He did not place that grounder due to adrenaline.

 

Meh. That's nothing more than anecdotal evidence.

[oldtimer]

What does 'dig a bit deeper' mean? Hitting a baseball is about being consistent with your swing and not chasing bad pitches. Beni, if he's good hitter, would generally take the same approach with every at bat. What changes if he digs a bit deeper? Now, a hitter might go out of the zone to attempt to get a hit instead of a walk. Is that how they dig a bit deeper?

 

One thing that almost all of the Sox hitters have in common, other than Hanley and perhaps Moreland, is that they are relatively small. They don't hit the ball as far as Judge or Sanchez, simply because they are not as massive and cannot generate the bat speed of big powerful guys like Stanton. Guys like Mookie are 180 pounds soaking wet. Now, when they get a ball on the inside half, and have good timing, they are more able to pull the ball to a shorter part of the park for a home run. Same with Beni. Pitchers have consistently stayed away from Betts so he has to hit mistake pitches for HRs. No way that outside pitches can be pulled and our smaller guys tend to hit those to center or opposite field for long outs. There is a knack and timing for getting hits opposite field, but fly balls won't get it done, they have to hit liners. After a while of pitches on the outer half of the plate, hitters timing gets into their muscle memory. I can only imagine what it is to get timing down when the ball is coming at 95 mph plus. Guys like Moreland now almost exclusively go opposite field and it shows in too many fly ball outs.

 

Digging in usually meant digging the foot away from the pitcher into the batters box so that a player has a strong platform to stride into the ball and transfer his energy. They try to meet the ball slightly out front of the body. Our guys are professional hitters and most have that concept down. Mookie has a really quick bat and Beni has nearly a perfect swing. The others have something in between. The hitting coach needs to work with the guys when they notice players getting in ruts. Mookie now seems to be coming out of his rut and there are signs of even Bogaerts coming along. Beni hasn't hit a HR in quite a while and neither has Devers. Lets hope that they can look for good pitches to hit and pull on those good pitches. see the ball, hit the ball.

[Kimmi]

We could promise him 550+ PAs. He could play half the games at 2B while Pedey DHs. The rest he could play DH, 3B, SS or LF. The problem is where's our new clean-up hitter going to play, especially if we further crowd the DH slot with Pedey and HRam already there.

 

If we sign Nunez and pick up a 1Bman or 3Bman (Devers to 1B), I'm not sure we can fulfill a 550+ PA promise to Nunez, unless we dump HRam.

 

There would be no shortage of at bats for Nunez, that's for sure. Having a player like him would be good insurance for Pedroia, and to a lesser extent Devers and Bogaerts. I'm just afraid that he will be looking for more than the Sox are willing to pay. Nunez did say that he would be interested in returning, so that's encouraging.

[Kimmi]

Adrenaline does not help anyone hit better. Beni hit a seeing eye ground ball single that had nothing to do with an adrenaline rush and everything to do with luck. He did not place that grounder due to adrenaline.

 

My man.

[Kimmi]

Official scorers = strong bias

[Kimmi]

John Farrell: "Our group has got such grit, such determination. The competitiveness, there’s no quit in them."

[S5Dewey]

John Farrell: "Our group has got such grit, such determination. The competitiveness, there’s no quit in them.""

 

Are any or all of those things statistically quantifiable? Or could they be lumped into one category called, "digging deeper"?

[cp176]

John Farrell: "Our group has got such grit, such determination. The competitiveness, there’s no quit in them.""

 

Are any or all of those things statistically quantifiable? Or could they be lumped into one category called, "digging deeper"?

 

I would have him back anyway but I would definitely have him back if these are the words he chose to uses. lol