A Realistic View at 2017 Part II

[moonslav59]

MLBTR

 

The Red Sox have placed center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. on the 10-day DL, as Ian Browne of MLB.com was among those to report. Bradley was diagnosed with a knee sprain caused by a misstep while running the bases. An MRI did not reveal more significant damage, so the hope is he won’t miss much more than the minimum.

[mvp 78]

I must admit this stat line is Owenisque....just saying, ugh

 

Jay Groome: 1.1 IP, 7 H, 9 R, 3 BB, 1 K

 

Nah, Owens would have way more walks. Jay is still just 18, so I'm not worried. He has a few more seasons before poor performance raises my eyebrows.

[mvp 78]

MLBTR

 

The Red Sox have placed center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. on the 10-day DL, as Ian Browne of MLB.com was among those to report. Bradley was diagnosed with a knee sprain caused by a misstep while running the bases. An MRI did not reveal more significant damage, so the hope is he won’t miss much more than the minimum.

 

This is a direct result of Brian Butterfield being injured in ST and not able to appropriately coach the players. Maybe the Sox would be better off if they didn't put Ruben Amaro Jr on the coaching staff and had a suitable backup for BB...

[Slasher9]

MLBTR

 

The Red Sox have placed center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. on the 10-day DL, as Ian Browne of MLB.com was among those to report. Bradley was diagnosed with a knee sprain caused by a misstep while running the bases. An MRI did not reveal more significant damage, so the hope is he won’t miss much more than the minimum.

 

moon - is the DL retroactive to April 9?

[mvp 78]

The Red Sox will place Jackie Bradley Jr. on the 10-day disabled list prior to Tuesday night's game against the Orioles, but at this point, the belief is that the center fielder's right knee sprain will be a short-term ailment.

 

With the ability to make the move retroactive to Sunday, Bradley could return as soon as April 19 at Toronto.

[moonslav59]

moon - is the DL retroactive to April 9?

 

Not sure, I would think so.

[S5Dewey]

MLBTR

 

The Red Sox have placed center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. on the 10-day DL, as Ian Browne of MLB.com was among those to report. Bradley was diagnosed with a knee sprain caused by a misstep while running the bases. An MRI did not reveal more significant damage, so the hope is he won’t miss much more than the minimum.

 

Ugh. In the words of Emily Littella (or was it Roseanne Rosannadanna?) "If it's not something it's something else". Ugh

[jad]

This is a direct result of Brian Butterfield being injured in ST and not able to appropriately coach the players. Maybe the Sox would be better off if they didn't put Ruben Amaro Jr on the coaching staff and had a suitable backup for BB...

 

This is ironic, right? (sorry if I'm missing the reference).

[mvp 78]

This is ironic, right? (sorry if I'm missing the reference).

 

Is it ironic that the base running coach is recovering from his 2nd knee surgery and a star ballplayer just went down with a knee injury running the bases? I guess so. Maybe self fulfilling prophecy? Does anyone know the status of BB's shoulder prior to Steven Wright's appearance in LA last year?

[Bellhorn04]

This is ironic, right? (sorry if I'm missing the reference).

 

Watch out for mvp. It's a little-known fact, but many accountants have very twisted senses of humor and it's often hard to tell if they're being serious or not.

[moonslav59]

soxprospects.com...

 

The number eight prospect in the SoxProspects rankings, Nicaraguan right-hander Roniel Raudes, started for the High A squad. Raudes’ command was off in the first and he got punished for it, giving up four hits including a double and a triple.

 

Raudes sat 88-90 mph, topping out at 91 mph, with the pitch showing some cut on occasion. He showed the ability to locate it at times, but when he missed up, it was very hittable. Raudes mixed in all of his secondaries, a short slider at 84-86 mph, changeup at 82-84 mph, and curveball at 74-76 mph. His curveball and changeup both flashed average-to-better during this outing, but his slider lagged behind. His feel for his curveball has improved since he entered the organization; he has solid feel for it and snaps it off well with long, 12-to-6 break. He also showed feel for his changeup, which showed late fade, throwing the pitch with deceptive arm speed. His slider had short break but lacked depth and was inconsistent.

 

Raudes is the type of pitcher who must be judged as the sum of his parts, as he doesn’t have a carrying pitch and only tops out in the low-90s at best. None of his offerings project as plus, so he will have to rely on fastball command and his ability to keep hitters off balance by mixing pitches to succeed. Raudes has the ceiling of a back-end starter, but there is a fair amount of risk as he doesn’t have much margin for error and his stuff is unlikely to profile in a bullpen role.

[mvp 78]

soxprospects.com...

 

The number eight prospect in the SoxProspects rankings, Nicaraguan right-hander Roniel Raudes, started for the High A squad. Raudes’ command was off in the first and he got punished for it, giving up four hits including a double and a triple.

 

Raudes sat 88-90 mph, topping out at 91 mph, with the pitch showing some cut on occasion. He showed the ability to locate it at times, but when he missed up, it was very hittable. Raudes mixed in all of his secondaries, a short slider at 84-86 mph, changeup at 82-84 mph, and curveball at 74-76 mph. His curveball and changeup both flashed average-to-better during this outing, but his slider lagged behind. His feel for his curveball has improved since he entered the organization; he has solid feel for it and snaps it off well with long, 12-to-6 break. He also showed feel for his changeup, which showed late fade, throwing the pitch with deceptive arm speed. His slider had short break but lacked depth and was inconsistent.

 

Raudes is the type of pitcher who must be judged as the sum of his parts, as he doesn’t have a carrying pitch and only tops out in the low-90s at best. None of his offerings project as plus, so he will have to rely on fastball command and his ability to keep hitters off balance by mixing pitches to succeed. Raudes has the ceiling of a back-end starter, but there is a fair amount of risk as he doesn’t have much margin for error and his stuff is unlikely to profile in a bullpen role.

 

Posts like these should be in the Minor League forum, honestly.

[moonslav59]

Posts like these should be in the Minor League forum, honestly.

 

I didn't even know there was one. Thanks for the input.

[jad]

Watch out for mvp. It's a little-known fact, but many accountants have very twisted senses of humor and it's often hard to tell if they're being serious or not.

 

Thanks.

 

One of the tragedies of living in this post-fact world is that it's no longer possible to say anything outrageous enough to be marked as parody.

[moonslav59]

Thanks.

 

One of the tragedies of living in this post-fact world is that it's no longer possible to say anything outrageous enough to be marked as parody.

 

Never thought of it that way, but you're right.

[Slasher9]

Thanks.

 

One of the tragedies of living in this post-fact world is that it's no longer possible to say anything outrageous enough to be marked as parody.

 

post of the year right here boys and girls. well played sir.

[mvp 78]

Watch out for mvp. It's a little-known fact, but many accountants have very twisted senses of humor and it's often hard to tell if they're being serious or not.

 

If it wasn't for our great personalities, we'd never get laid.

[mvp 78]

Thanks.

 

One of the tragedies of living in this post-fact world is that it's no longer possible to say anything outrageous enough to be marked as parody.

 

I truly know that we are in a post fact world when people keep trying to gaslight The Greatest Clutch Hitter in the History of the Boston Red Sox, David Ortiz, #34.

[Benintendi]

soxprospects.com...

 

The number eight prospect in the SoxProspects rankings, Nicaraguan right-hander Roniel Raudes, started for the High A squad. Raudes’ command was off in the first and he got punished for it, giving up four hits including a double and a triple.

 

Raudes sat 88-90 mph, topping out at 91 mph, with the pitch showing some cut on occasion. He showed the ability to locate it at times, but when he missed up, it was very hittable. Raudes mixed in all of his secondaries, a short slider at 84-86 mph, changeup at 82-84 mph, and curveball at 74-76 mph. His curveball and changeup both flashed average-to-better during this outing, but his slider lagged behind. His feel for his curveball has improved since he entered the organization; he has solid feel for it and snaps it off well with long, 12-to-6 break. He also showed feel for his changeup, which showed late fade, throwing the pitch with deceptive arm speed. His slider had short break but lacked depth and was inconsistent.

 

Raudes is the type of pitcher who must be judged as the sum of his parts, as he doesn’t have a carrying pitch and only tops out in the low-90s at best. None of his offerings project as plus, so he will have to rely on fastball command and his ability to keep hitters off balance by mixing pitches to succeed. Raudes has the ceiling of a back-end starter, but there is a fair amount of risk as he doesn’t have much margin for error and his stuff is unlikely to profile in a bullpen role.

 

THIS is our #8 prospect?? Holy crap is our system barren now. I mean if we win a WS or 2 in the next 3 years it would be well worth it, but if not, UGH!!

[mvp 78]

THIS is our #8 prospect?? Holy crap is our system barren now. I mean if we win a WS or 2 in the next 3 years it would be well worth it, but if not, UGH!!

 

He's probably really overrated by the Sox Prospects guys. He had great results last year, but really needs to be able to locate to perfection if he's going to play higher than AAA. I think his grade is more indicative of his performance than his projection.

[mvp 78]

Previous #8's:

Basabe

Barnes

Barnes

Swihart

Brentz

Y. Navarro

Y. Navarro

Alamanzar

Kalish

Masterson

Buchholz

Delcarmen

Delcarmen

Spann

 

The farm is on the thin side, but I bet they really ramp the international signings back up this year. Not being able to get International FA's for a while really killed them almost as much as the trades.

[moonslav59]

Previous #8's:

Basabe

Barnes

Barnes

Swihart

Brentz

Y. Navarro

Y. Navarro

Alamanzar

Kalish

Masterson

Buchholz

Delcarmen

Delcarmen

Spann

 

The farm is on the thin side, but I bet they really ramp the international signings back up this year. Not being able to get International FA's for a while really killed them almost as much as the trades.

 

...and (by soxprospects.com)...

 

Kopech

Reddick

Johnson

Kalish

Rizzo

B Moss

Shoppach

C Merideth

[Nick]

Kimmi's time estimate for epic organizational melt down is 2021 when Betts and Bradley become FA.

 

We will have draft picks in 2017, 2018, 2019 to rebuild our farm system based on that timeline. That's in addition to the 2016 draft picks.

 

Let's just wait and see how things develop.

 

It's also not as though we're going to be 'poor' all the sudden. We'll still have $200M budget. What we may have to do is to pick up Moreland's of world to fill in the gaps. I seriously doubt we're going to be non competitive....oh wait, we did finish dead last in our division 3 out of 4 years prior to last year's resurgence.

Edited April 11, 2017 by Nick

[mvp 78]

...and (by soxprospects.com)...

 

Kopech

Reddick

Johnson

Kalish

Rizzo

B Moss

Shoppach

C Merideth

 

I was just going strictly with April rankings.

[mvp 78]

Kimmi's time estimate for epic organizational melt down is 2021 when Betts and Bradley become FA.

 

We will have draft picks in 2017, 2018, 2019 to rebuild our farm system based on that timeline. That's in addition to the 2016 draft picks.

 

Let's just wait and see how things develop.

 

It's also not as though we're going to be 'poor' all the sudden. We'll still have $200M budget. What we may have to do is to pick up Moreland's of world to fill in the gaps. I seriously doubt we're going to be non competitive....oh wait, we did finish dead last in our division 3 out of 4 years prior to last year's resurgence.

 

Yup, the organizational sky isn't falling for a long, long time. There may be blips like 2012, 2014 and 2015, but us Sox fans have an easy gig these days.

[Benintendi]

Kimmi's time estimate for epic organizational melt down is 2021 when Betts and Bradley become FA.

 

We will have draft picks in 2017, 2018, 2019 to rebuild our farm system based on that timeline. That's in addition to the 2016 draft picks.

 

Let's just wait and see how things develop.

 

It's also not as though we're going to be 'poor' all the sudden. We'll still have $200M budget. What we may have to do is to pick up Moreland's of world to fill in the gaps. I seriously doubt we're going to be non competitive....oh wait, we did finish dead last in our division 3 out of 4 years prior to last year's resurgence.

 

IF the draft picks work out and IF they can reach the majors by 2021. That's a lot to gamble on. a 200 M budget works because we have guys like Benintendi, Betts & Bradley on the cheap so we can pay Sale, Price, etc. If you don't have any cheap quality players like that, that budget ain't gonna help. You can't pay everyone $25 mill a year. Especially when our pals the Yank-mes have pushed their payroll and salaries into God knows what stratosphere by then. I'm not saying we need to panic, but I'm saying we have to be VERY careful for a while. Any mistakes could be a HUGE setback and magnified. That's all I'm saying.

[mvp 78]

IF the draft picks work out and IF they can reach the majors by 2021. That's a lot to gamble on. a 200 M budget works because we have guys like Benintendi, Betts & Bradley on the cheap so we can pay Sale, Price, etc. If you don't have any cheap quality players like that, that budget ain't gonna help. You can't pay everyone $25 mill a year. Especially when our pals the Yank-mes have pushed their payroll and salaries into God knows what stratosphere by then. I'm not saying we need to panic, but I'm saying we have to be VERY careful for a while. Any mistakes could be a HUGE setback and magnified. That's all I'm saying.

 

As long as they don't overpay for the Sandovals and Hanleys of the world, they'll be fine.

[moonslav59]

Yes, we have a $200M budget, but if you look at how we are able to pay guys like Price, Porcello and others so much money, it's because we are also getting some great production from very low cost players. These players came from the farm. They have performed much better than most teams. For that to continue, our farm has to keep producing low cost quality players to "fill out" the roster.

 

Right now, we look fine, and we have 3 big prospects that happen to match up (not by accident) with our probably highest need areas in the immediate future: 3B, 1B/DH and P (Devers, Travis & Groome). However, once Betts, JBJ and Bogey either leave by free agency or get massive paydays, we probably won't get the influx we have been getting from the Theo-Ben regimes. I think that's probably an agreed upon fact. It might not be as bad as some say it will be, but it is going to be difficult to draft and sign good players with much lower draft picks, and the new rules make signing international players much harder. This is an area we have made major acquisitions from, including Moncada that helped us get Sale.

 

We may evolve and make changes to keep in the forefront of these changes, but it's not going to be easy to stock the farm with so many good to great prospects as we have had over the last 2-3 years.

 

Besides Betts, Bogey, JBJ, Beni, Swihart/Vaz and recent players like Groome, Devers and Travis, we have traded away all these guys:

 

Moncada

Espinoza

Kopech

Margot

Guerra

Basabe (both)

Dubon

Asuaje

Allen

V Diaz

Light

Rijo

and more

 

 

[mvp 78]

Right now, we look fine, and we have 3 big prospects that happen to match up (not by accident) with our probably highest need areas in the immediate future: 3B, 1B/DH and P (Devers, Travis & Groome). However, once Betts, JBJ and Bogey either leave by free agency or get massive paydays, we probably won't get the influx we have been getting from the Theo-Ben regimes. I think that's probably an agreed upon fact.

 

Not fact. DD seemed to have a really good draft last year.

Groome

Chatham

Anderson

Dalbac

Shawaryn

 

That's really good so far for the first 5 rounds. Now he'll be able to grab international guys too.

 

And losing guys like Guerra/Basabe/Asuaje/Allen/Diaz/Light/Rijo will have zero impact on the MLB roster.

[moonslav59]

Not fact. DD seemed to have a really good draft last year.

Groome

Chatham

Anderson

Dalbac

Shawaryn

 

 

I said from here on out. I counted Groome in the plans.

 

Groome was a 12th pick. It is not likely we will be picking that highly until the day Kimmi speaks of. I guess we could, but it is not likely, and even if we do, I'm not sure we can expect a guy like Groome to be there our next 12th pick.

 

My point was, I think everyone can agree that it is not likely we can have a farm like we did 1.5 to 3 years ago under the new MLB rules set-up.

 

Our farm was both strong at the top and deep with quality.

 

Do you really see a way for us to get to where we were in the immediate future?

 

I think that even if we get lucky with lower draft picks, just the international signing restrictions is going to make it almost impossible to even come close to where we were.