A Realistic View at 2017 Part II

[S5Dewey]

Perhaps there should be a separate thread on base running. The Sox have had a ton of outright mistakes this year and today was no different. First we had a lack of movement on a ball hit to second and dropped. The runner then came back to first, not seeing or being coached about the dropped ball and to make mattters worse, Moreland was doubled up not able to get up the line in time. It was a tough play but we looked bad.

 

Much worse was Pedroia. You have to criticize a guy who has just hit a double, but then he could have easily gone to 3rd on a ball that got away from the catcher but didn't appear to be paying attention. That cost us a run as there was a single by Bogaerts. Might have cost us the game but fortuneately not. That gaff was later compounded by Pedroia trying to stretch a single into a double. Somebody tell him, he isn't that fast. I didn't see the game the previous night but understand he also ran the bases poorly then as well.

 

Today is just one of many incidents this year. You wouldn't expect one of your most experienced players to be so careless.

 

Thanks to good pitching and Betts, we won and we needed to.

 

I dunno.. I don't think we want our players running on what appears to be a caught line drive. The replay clearly showed that the ball was dropped on purpose to set up the force play. Again, the umpires blew the call. Unfortunately that play isn't reviewable. (Who makes these stupid rules regarding what is and isn't reviewable, anyway? Why isn't everything except balls and strikes reviewable if there's reasonable doubt?)

 

I had trouble believing that Pedey hadn't gone to third on the passed ball too. I don't know if Jerry was covering for Pedey by saying that the pitcher may have been in his line of vision but I watched for it on the replay and it's plausable.

 

However, trying to stretch that single into a double late in the game is unforgivable. What was he thinking???

[Spudboy]

I dunno.. I don't think we want our players running on what appears to be a caught line drive. The replay clearly showed that the ball was dropped on purpose to set up the force play. Again, the umpires blew the call. Unfortunately that play isn't reviewable. (Who makes these stupid rules regarding what is and isn't reviewable, anyway? Why isn't everything except balls and strikes reviewable if there's reasonable doubt?)

 

I had trouble believing that Pedey hadn't gone to third on the passed ball too. I don't know if Jerry was covering for Pedey by saying that the pitcher may have been in his line of vision but I watched for it on the replay and it's plausable.

 

However, trying to stretch that single into a double late in the game is unforgivable. What was he thinking???

 

He came around first and hit the jets. I think he saw how the ball was being fielded and his little big man ego said "f***, I got this".

 

I don't think he was really going for two until he rounded 1st. You could see the moment he made the decision from the outfield camera on the replay.

 

I believe that was what he was thinking.

[Nick]

Moon, what do you think of Michael Chavis? He's had recent power surge. Any chance he will push Devers to 1B if Travis doesn't show enough power?

 

Ultimately I'd like to see power hitters in corner positions. Beni and Betts have enough power. Moreland is adequate for now.

Edited May 12, 2017 by Nick

[mvp 78]

Moon, what do you think of Michael Chavis? He's had recent power surge. Any chance he will push Devers to 1B if Travis doesn't show enough power?

 

Ultimately I'd like to see power hitters in corner positions. Beni and Betts have enough power. Moreland is adequate for now.

 

Nope. Chavis will take over 2b.

[Fisk]

I believe Chavis ends up an outfielder.

[Fisk]

Moon, what do you think of Michael Chavis? He's had recent power surge. Any chance he will push Devers to 1B if Travis doesn't show enough power?

 

Ultimately I'd like to see power hitters in corner positions. Beni and Betts have enough power. Moreland is adequate for now.

 

Devers is the better third basemen of the two.

[moonslav59]

Moon, what do you think of Michael Chavis? He's had recent power surge. Any chance he will push Devers to 1B if Travis doesn't show enough power?

 

Ultimately I'd like to see power hitters in corner positions. Beni and Betts have enough power. Moreland is adequate for now.

 

At first, I felt Devers looked more like a 1Bman than a 3Bman, at least as he matured, but according to reports, he has done a very good job improving his defense on the farm.

 

I see him as our 3Bman of the future, until he proves otherwise.

 

(I still have not given up on the idea of acquiring a top defensive SS and moving Bogey to 3B. This would allow Devers to play 1B.

[S5Dewey]

 

(I still have not given up on the idea of acquiring a top defensive SS and moving Bogey to 3B. This would allow Devers to play 1B.

 

I hear Detroit has one of those.

[Nick]

Did Chris Sale know that he was going to play with bunch of pussies this year?

 

This team is full of time share players. PLAY, SHOW UP, DON'T PLAY, I'LL SKIP BECAUSE MY PINKIE HURTS, MY SHOULDER IS NOT 100%,,,PLAY FOR WEEK, TAKE NEXT WEEK OFF, .....JESUS. THEY ARE BUNCH OF POODLES.

[moonslav59]

lol!

[moonslav59]

Some interesting names at the bottom of the WHIP list this season:

 

97 (worst) A Wainwright

94 Zimmerman

93 Salazar

92 Moore

90 Sabathia

89 Teheran

87 Arrieta

83 Quintana

81 Harvey

74 Verlander

70 Kluber

66 Lester

 

 

 

[Station 13]

Some interesting names at the bottom of the WHIP list this season:

 

97 (worst) A Wainwright

94 Zimmerman

93 Salazar

92 Moore

90 Sabathia

89 Teheran

87 Arrieta

83 Quintana

81 Harvey

74 Verlander

70 Kluber

66 Lester

 

 

 

That is out of whack, are you including relievers as well?

[Kimmi]

Just as interesting, the Mets have the worst ERA in baseball right now.

[moonslav59]

That is out of whack, are you including relievers as well?

 

No, just the top qualifiers by innings pitched.

[sk7326]

Did Chris Sale know that he was going to play with bunch of pussies this year?

 

This team is full of time share players. PLAY, SHOW UP, DON'T PLAY, I'LL SKIP BECAUSE MY PINKIE HURTS, MY SHOULDER IS NOT 100%,,,PLAY FOR WEEK, TAKE NEXT WEEK OFF, .....JESUS. THEY ARE BUNCH OF POODLES.

 

i used to think this when i was little kid - until i realized that unless you miss games, injuries will not heal.

[moonslav59]

Did I mention how glad I am we got...

 

Chris Freakin' Sale!

 

2017 WAR

2.5 Sale

1.7 and below others

 

K/9

13.13 Salazar (but with a 5.20 ERA)

13.04 Sale

 

K/BB%

32.9 Sale

26.7 Pineda

26.1 Scherzer

 

WHIP

0.77 Carrasco

0.77 Sale

0.81 E Santana

 

xFIP

2.25 Sale

2.41 Pineda

2.43 McCullers

2.60 Severino

2.84 Kershaw

 

ERA-

25 Vargas

37 E Santana

38 Paxton

43 Keuchel

46 Carrasco

47 Leake

51 Sale

 

AL Leaders 2016-2017 Combined (200+ IP):

 

WAR

7.6 Sale

6.0 Verlander & Porcello

5.5 Quintana

5.4 Kluber

5.1 Tanaka

 

xFIP

3.14 Pineda

3.31 Sale

3.38 Keuchel

3.42 Stroman

3.43 Archer

3.51 Kluber

3.52 Price

3.68 Tanaka

3.80 Sanchez

3.86 Porcello

(Sox have 3 in the top 10.)

 

WHIP

0.98 Sale

1.06 Verlander

1.07 Porcello

1.09 Fulmer

1.10 Kluber

 

ERA-

69 E Santana

70 Fulmer

72 Sanchez

73 Sale

75 Hamels

76 Porcello

77 Verlander

 

K%

28.2 Sale

27.9 Pineda

27.4 Archer

27.3 Verlander

26.3 Kluber

24.0 Price

(Porcello is 11th at 21.8)

 

K-BB%

23.1 Sale

21.5 Pineda

20.2 Verlander

19.6 Archer

19.5 Kluber

18.7 Price

18.1 Porcello

(3 Sox in the top 7!)

 

 

[a700hitter]

Did I mention how glad I am we got...

 

Chris Freakin' Sale!

 

2017 WAR

2.5 Sale

1.7 and below others

 

K/9

13.13 Salazar (but with a 5.20 ERA)

13.04 Sale

 

K/BB%

32.9 Sale

26.7 Pineda

26.1 Scherzer

 

WHIP

0.77 Carrasco

0.77 Sale

0.81 E Santana

 

xFIP

2.25 Sale

2.41 Pineda

2.43 McCullers

2.60 Severino

2.84 Kershaw

 

ERA-

25 Vargas

37 E Santana

38 Paxton

43 Keuchel

46 Carrasco

47 Leake

51 Sale

 

AL Leaders 2016-2017 Combined (200+ IP):

 

WAR

7.6 Sale

6.0 Verlander & Porcello

5.5 Quintana

5.4 Kluber

5.1 Tanaka

 

xFIP

3.14 Pineda

3.31 Sale

3.38 Keuchel

3.42 Stroman

3.43 Archer

3.51 Kluber

3.52 Price

3.68 Tanaka

3.80 Sanchez

3.86 Porcello

(Sox have 3 in the top 10.)

 

WHIP

0.98 Sale

1.06 Verlander

1.07 Porcello

1.09 Fulmer

1.10 Kluber

 

ERA-

69 E Santana

70 Fulmer

72 Sanchez

73 Sale

75 Hamels

76 Porcello

77 Verlander

 

K%

28.2 Sale

27.9 Pineda

27.4 Archer

27.3 Verlander

26.3 Kluber

24.0 Price

(Porcello is 11th at 21.8)

 

K-BB%

23.1 Sale

21.5 Pineda

20.2 Verlander

19.6 Archer

19.5 Kluber

18.7 Price

18.1 Porcello

(3 Sox in the top 7!)

 

 

Beware of the cliff!!

[moonslav59]

Just as interesting, the Mets have the worst ERA in baseball right now.

 

The worst 3 ERA- teams are...

 

122 Mariners

121 Mets

117 Tigers

 

All were thought to have strong pitching staffs on paper.

 

The top 6:

78 LAD

85 HOU

86 AZ

87 COL

88 CWS

89 BOS

 

[moonslav59]

Beware of the cliff!!

 

I'll blame "the cliff" on trading Espinoza.

[a700hitter]

I'll blame "the cliff" on trading Espinoza.

Even if he never makes it to the show.

[moonslav59]

Even if he never makes it to the show.

 

He will- big time!

[a700hitter]

He will- big time!

Drop us a line when he does.

[S5Dewey]

Beware of the cliff!!

 

Cliff! I remember Cliffie!! I went to school with him. A really bad dude!

 

Ok.. as you were.

[moonslav59]

Drop us a line when he does.

 

I won't have to. There will be dozens of posters coming out of the woodwork claiming they hated the trade at the time.

[dgalehouse]

We will just have to see about Espinoza. So far, it has just been hype. And he has not lived up to it as yet. Hard throwing young pitchers are becoming very commonplace. Time will tell if he is special. There is no way to know that at this time.

[cp176]

We will just have to see about Espinoza. So far, it has just been hype. And he has not lived up to it as yet. Hard throwing young pitchers are becoming very commonplace. Time will tell if he is special. There is no way to know that at this time.

 

You better be careful, your thinking smacks of common sense.LOL

[cp176]

I won't have to. There will be dozens of posters coming out of the woodwork claiming they hated the trade at the time.

 

 

For the record - not me.

[Bellhorn04]

I won't have to. There will be dozens of posters coming out of the woodwork claiming they hated the trade at the time.

 

You keep forgetting you're not in BDC anymore, man. We don't even have dozens of posters here LOL

[a700hitter]

You keep forgetting you're not in BDC anymore, man. We don't even have dozens of posters here LOL

We have quality.

[StephenCurry30]

We do have quality, but I'm a bit of a dipshit.