Postseason Happenings 2016

[Examiner]

And btw, this wasn't the biggest dose of confidence for Joe Kelly either, although he was handed a horrible mess and did ok for a while.

[Examiner]

I have more trust in buchholz in the playoffs in a start then price. That should tell you enough lol. This guy has the playoffs in front of him now to exercise some demons. If he chokes again then it will just leave another mark in his career.

 

Agree 100% on all counts. CB was awesome tonight. I used to say John Lester was a choker too, and for a while he was. In 2013 he shut me up, and I could not have been any happier about it.

[a700hitter]

And btw, this wasn't the biggest dose of confidence for Joe Kelly either, although he was handed a horrible mess and did ok for a while.

He can't feel great about letting a washed up .200 hitter take him deep for a walk off grand slam on a night when it was very difficult to get anything out of the park.

[moonslav59]

Starting with getting a real closer. One who knows where the plate is and can pitch to it.

 

I was firmly against the Kimbrel trade, but not because I thought Kimbrel was outside the top 5 closers in MLB, so imagine how I feel now about the trade now!

 

[Nick]

I was firmly against the Kimbrel trade, but not because I thought Kimbrel was outside the top 5 closers in MLB, so imagine how I feel now about the trade now!

 

 

Jesus, will ever quit whining about Kimbrel trade? He has pitched pretty well this season. We did win the Division with Kimbrel as the closer. Or maybe I should say we did win the Division DESPITE Kimbrel as the closer.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Yip, and we will never get that moment back because he couldn't do his job at the one moment we most needed him to. I'm so angry about this I might not even watch the game tomorrow night. The weather is nice, I may get my fire pit out and say screw them. I have said from day one that this team is not to be trusted, they are too inconsistent, They score 13 one night, then score 3 combined in losing the next two, and the stats show they're outscoring their opponents 16-6. Every single time you think they've turned a corner and solidified, they do something stupid like the last two games. I would not be shocked at all if they lose again tomorrow, then lose 2/3 against Toronto.

 

Yeah, every time you think they're a good team, they start to suck. That's why they're never going to make it into the playoffs. I mean, maybe they make the WC game, but it'll be one and done. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire team collapses onto the field in the middle of the game and then disintegrates into a fine crystalline powder and is carried away on the wind. This team is hopeless.

 

Seriously, do you even realize how ridiculous you sound right now? The Sox just clinched the division after two years of non-competitiveness and all you can do is point at a blown save by a guy who has only blown two other saves this season and the loss of a couple games with nothing but the "meh"-tastic goal of homefield advantage on the line as a reason to basically give up on the team?

[Youk Of The Nation]

Also, I would swear that someone, sometime in the recent past, mentioned that starting entirely new threads with no purpose but to complain about specific players without actually introducing a topic for discussion was something to be discouraged. I must be remembering incorrectly.

[oldtimer]

We have a reason for being happy in that we clinched the division and we have reasons for concern in that we had pitching problems with key players in two Yankee games in a row. It has been kind of the good, the bad and the ugly during the last two games. The good can be looked at as Mookie making a great outfield play and also doubling in runs for what looked like money in the bank last night. The bad was Price's inability to locate his fastball anywhere but belt high down the middle in his game and the ugly being Kimbrel's total disintegration last night. I give a pass to Kelly although throwing a fastball down the middle with one strike on any Yankee was not a good idea.

 

Can Price and Kimbrel recover their confidence and pitch well? I certainly hope so for without them we will be dead meat.

[Slasher9]

His blown saves haven't concerned me as much as the tightrope he's been walking. When he's wild he stays wild and can't find the plate. I want my closer to be able to throw strikes. Period.

 

this gets magnified in the postseason when every batter is more patient and is invested into every AB 110%.

[southpaw777]

I was firmly against the Kimbrel trade, but not because I thought Kimbrel was outside the top 5 closers in MLB, so imagine how I feel now about the trade now!

 

Dude, enough already. Everyone knows you didnt want the trade. The fact that you have let us know all friggin year has gotten very very stale...last i checked we won the division with him...

[Slasher9]

And color me crazy if you like, but I think having the chance to clinch the ALE in Yankee Stadium IS a clutch situation. This is the time and place you want to win it... and he chocked.

 

100% S5.

i was just thinking about something similar this morning. the biggest games of the year for the Red Sox players this year. the first Home Game of the season and ALE clinching game.

 

Home Opener:

David Price: 5IP / 5ER

Craig Kimbrel: 1IP / 3ER / 2BB / Loss

 

ALE clinching game 1:

David Price: 6.1IP / 6ER / 3HR / Loss

 

ALE clinching game 2:

Craig Kimbrel: 0.0IP / 4ER / 3BB / BLOWN SAVE / LOSS

[Slasher9]

cONGRATULATIONS TO THE BOSTON RED SOX. THE 2016 AL EAST DIVISION WINNERS.

[SoxnCycles]

All closers lose games once in a while. I can live with that. Sometimes a closer gives up a few hits on days when he doesn't have it. What I can't live with is my closer giving up a hit and walking three batters to drive in a run. What "closer" does THAT??

 

And color me crazy if you like, but I think having the chance to clinch the ALE in Yankee Stadium IS a clutch situation. This is the time and place you want to win it... and he chocked.

 

I agree. Losing Tuesday night, after the offense came back and tied it twice was bad enough.

But, blowing a 3 run lead in the ninth, by walking the entire lineup was pathetic.

 

DD sems to have a knack for finding players with weak knees.

[SoxnCycles]

cONGRATULATIONS TO THE BOSTON RED SOX. THE 2016 AL EAST DIVISION WINNERS.

 

It wasn't pretty, but we'll take it!

[S5Dewey]

this gets magnified in the postseason when every batter is more patient and is invested into every AB 110%.

 

Kimbrel throws a lot of pitches out of the zone that are swung at. If I were an opposing ML manager I'd tell my players, "If you're going to face Craig Kimbrel, take two pitches and then see where you are. If he's throwing strikes you're probably not going to be able to hit him anyway, and if he's not throwing strikes your chances of getting a BB are somewhere north of 50/50."

[Bellhorn04]

100% S5.

i was just thinking about something similar this morning. the biggest games of the year for the Red Sox players this year. the first Home Game of the season and ALE clinching game.

 

Home Opener:

David Price: 5IP / 5ER

Craig Kimbrel: 1IP / 3ER / 2BB / Loss

 

ALE clinching game 1:

David Price: 6.1IP / 6ER / 3HR / Loss

 

ALE clinching game 2:

Craig Kimbrel: 0.0IP / 4ER / 3BB / BLOWN SAVE / LOSS

 

First home game of the season is not a big game.

[Spudboy]

We have never clinched in the regular season at Yankee Stadium. It was a huge moment, a Kimbrel blew up the game. He was handed an easy save situation, and he just didn't show up at all --28 pitches, 4 base runners and no outs. That is not an off night. That is an implosion with a Calvin Schiraldi look.

 

Burn.

[S5Dewey]

First home game of the season is not a big game.

 

 

Sure it is. Not in terms of won/lost, but when you're the new "ace" signing that's your chance to make a statement. "You only get one chance to make a first impression" and IMO Price's first impression is somewhat responsible for the criticism that's been leveled his way this year. If he'd been the David Price we were expecting fans would be a lot more generous toward him this year. But not after Monday night!

[SoxnCycles]

We have a reason for being happy in that we clinched the division and we have reasons for concern in that we had pitching problems with key players in two Yankee games in a row. It has been kind of the good, the bad and the ugly during the last two games. The good can be looked at as Mookie making a great outfield play and also doubling in runs for what looked like money in the bank last night. The bad was Price's inability to locate his fastball anywhere but belt high down the middle in his game and the ugly being Kimbrel's total disintegration last night. I give a pass to Kelly although throwing a fastball down the middle with one strike on any Yankee was not a good idea.

 

Can Price and Kimbrel recover their confidence and pitch well? I certainly hope so for without them we will be dead meat.

 

This sums it up nicely.

[Slasher9]

 

Sure it is. Not in terms of won/lost, but when you're the new "ace" signing that's your chance to make a statement. "You only get one chance to make a first impression" and IMO Price's first impression is somewhat responsible for the criticism that's been leveled his way this year. If he'd been the David Price we were expecting fans would be a lot more generous toward him this year. But not after Monday night!

 

thank you. this was going to be my exact answer. when you are the new hired guns trying to gain respect from your teammates and adoration from the fanbase the first time you pitch at home is yuuuuge.

[Bellhorn04]

 

Sure it is. Not in terms of won/lost, but when you're the new "ace" signing that's your chance to make a statement. "You only get one chance to make a first impression" and IMO Price's first impression is somewhat responsible for the criticism that's been leveled his way this year. If he'd been the David Price we were expecting fans would be a lot more generous toward him this year. But not after Monday night!

 

Price pitched fine in his first start this year.

[Bellhorn04]

thank you. this was going to be my exact answer. when you are the new hired guns trying to gain respect from your teammates and adoration from the fanbase the first time you pitch at home is yuuuuge.

 

Sorry, man, but this is just something you're making up. One game early in the year is forgotten quickly.

[Slasher9]

Price pitched fine in his first start this year.

HFX...my point was that a newly brought in high priced highest paid pitcher's first home start is the pressure start. if you dont agree that's fine.

[User Name]

Sorry, man, but this is just something you're making up. One game early in the year is forgotten quickly.

 

Making s*** up is the morning piss of talksox. Everyone does it to some extent, but some more than others.

[moonslav59]

I realize we're talking small sample sizes here, and last night's game bloated Kimbrel's numbers, but here are the second half numbers for our pen:

ERA/WHIP

0.00/ 0.486 Uehara 12.1 IP

0.00/ 1.125 R Scott 5.1 IP

1.15/ 1.149 J Kelly 15.2 IP

1.33/ 1.148 Ziegler 27.0 IP

1.42/ 1.066 R Ross 25.1 IP

3.00/ 1.056 Kimbrel 18.0 IP (actually better than the whole season numbers)

3.38/ 1.425 Hembree 13.1 IP

 

RP innings only- full season:

0.00/1.125 Scott 5 IP

1.15/1.149 Kelly 16

1.29/1.107 Ziegler 28

2.37/1.318 Hembree 49

3.17/1.185 R Ross 54

3.35/1.078 Kimbrel 51 (was 3.00/1.000 before yesterday)

3.52/0.935 Uehara 46

3.57/1.103 Buch 22

3.77/1.430 Layne 29

4.13/1.393 Barnes 65

4.25/1.233 Tazawa 49

6.39/1.658 Abad 13

6.39/1.895 Ramirez 13

 

OPS against in relief (2nd half overall in parenthesis):

.541 Kimbrel (.486)

.555 Ziegler (.571)

.563 Scott (.563)

.571 Buch (.612)

.594 Ross (.563)

.613 Kelly (.613)

.650 Uehara (.325)

 

Uehara over the last 41 PAs:

1 BB

1 HBP

5H (only 1 2B)

15 K

.128 BA

.171 OBP

.154 SLG

6 tOPS+

-10 OPS+

 

A strong case can be made to let Koji close.

 

 

Some pretty impressive numbers here!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Slasher9]

Sorry, man, but this is just something you're making up. One game early in the year is forgotten quickly.

so you dont believe a high priced FA player is extra juiced / extra nervous / feels like he has something to prove to teammates and fanbase his first time stepping out onto his home ballfield?

 

btw - not everyone forgets it quickly. i sure havent.

[Slasher9]

Making s*** up is the morning piss of talksox. Everyone does it to some extent, but some more than others.

 

please quote one of my posts where i have "made sh!t up". there's over 1800 of them on this website...surely you can find one.

[User Name]

please quote one of my posts where i have "made sh!t up". there's over 1800 of them on this website...surely you can find one.

 

I was making a joke. Lighten up, Jesus.

[Bellhorn04]

so you dont believe a high priced FA player is extra juiced / extra nervous / feels like he has something to prove to teammates and fanbase his first time stepping out onto his home ballfield?

 

btw - not everyone forgets it quickly. i sure havent.

 

How did Schilling do in his first home start for us? See if you can answer without looking it up.

[User Name]

I'm going to take a guess and say 7 IP/2 ER/7 K.