The Benintendi Thread

[southpaw777]

Im without tv for a bit and can only catch the games on weei...apparently I missed something yesterday where there was questikn as to Benintendis throwing ability, or lack there of, with Iggy running?

[vjcsmoke]

Benitendi just went 5 for 5 against the Orioles.

 

I see why he was the #1 rated prospect. Maybe the Red Sox kept the best 'top prospect' after all.

 

If Chris Sale solidifies himself as the Ace of the staff. It looks like Dombrowski made the right moves this offseason.

 

Probably his only big mistake so far is Pomeranz for Espinoza. But you can't get them all right.

[moonslav59]

Benitendi just went 5 for 5 against the Orioles.

 

I see why he was the #1 rated prospect. Maybe the Red Sox kept the best 'top prospect' after all.

 

If Chris Sale solidifies himself as the Ace of the staff. It looks like Dombrowski made the right moves this offseason.

 

Probably his only big mistake so far is Pomeranz for Espinoza. But you can't get them all right.

 

Shaw for Thornburg looks bad so far, but it's early.

[moonslav59]

Now, do people agree he should lead off?

 

(Even when Pedey returns.)

[Fisk]

The problem is they have a lot of players that would be good leading off or batting second. Including Pedey, Boegarts, Betts, Beni, and Bradley. A good problem to have.

[harmony]

Now, do people agree he should lead off?

 

(Even when Pedey returns.)

 

Even the sabermetric skeptics on this forum might enjoy this analysis ...

 

On this thread in January I compared the WAR projections for Andrew Benintendi and rookie Seattle outfielder Mitch Haniger:

 

Pardon this Seattle fan who can't stop comparing Red Sox and Mariner players.

 

FanGraphs Depth Charts projects 2017 WAR of 1.6 in 560 plate appearances for rookie Andrew Benintendi and 1.7 in 525 plate appearances for rookie Seattle outfielder Mitch Haniger.

 

Steamer projects 2017 WAR of 1.4 in 518 plate appearances for Benintendi and 1.4 in 440 plate appearances for Haniger.

 

ZiPS projects 2017 WAR of 2.2 in 535 plate appearances for Benintendi and 1.9 in 517 plate appearances for Haniger.

 

Steamer600, which assumes 600 plate appearances for each hitter, projects 2017 WAR of 1.6 for Benintendi and 1.9 for Haniger.

 

It should be interesting to see how each rookie develops.

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/17790-The-Benintendi-Thread?p=1046045&highlight=haniger#post1046045

 

Through Saturday's games Benintendi had posted an OPS+ of 118 with 0.5 fWAR and 0.1 bWAR in 17 games while Haniger had posted and OPS+ of 181 with 1.1 fWAR and 1.6 bWAR in 19 games. Benintendi went 5-for-5 on Sunday with five singles while Haniger went 3-for-4 with a double and a walk.

 

Despite the January projections that leaned toward Haniger and Haniger's superior early-season performance, FanGraphs Depth Charts, Steamer and ZiPS all give Benintendi the edge for the remainder of season:

 

FanGraphs Depth Charts project Benintendi with 2.4 WAR in 115 games and Haniger with 1.2 WAR in 115 games.

 

Steamer projects Benintendi with 1.8 WAR in 113 games and Haniger with 1.4 WAR in 105 games.

 

ZiPS projects Benintendi with 1.9 WAR in 119 games and Haniger with 1.3 WAR in 110 games.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=17901&position=OF

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=14274&position=OF

 

The updated projections would make little sense if one isolates on traditional statistics. However, I suspect Haniger's projections were hurt by his 22.7 percent strikeout rate and his likely unsustainable BABIP of .360. Benintendi has a strikeout rate of 13 percent and a BABIP of .333 after Saturday's games.

 

Still it should be interesting to see how each rookie develops.

[Emp9]

Now, do people agree he should lead off?

 

(Even when Pedey returns.)

 

Yes. I think we've seen enough from Beni that he'd be just fine batting lead-off. Not sure if Farrell will make that move, I think he wants to spread out the lefty-righty spots in the order. In my mind, if Beni bats lead, our 4th slot almost has to be a lefty bat (Moreland or JBJ), which I might be fine with.

[sk7326]

Now, do people agree he should lead off?

 

(Even when Pedey returns.)

 

He went 5 for 5 batting 2nd. That seems worthwhile.

[Spudboy]

He went 5 for 5 batting 2nd. That seems worthwhile.

 

Two were cheapies and he made at least one base running gaff.

[moonslav59]

He went 5 for 5 batting 2nd. That seems worthwhile.

 

Good, then put a slower guy with a worse OBP up first. Sounds logical...

 

NOT!

[notin]

Two were cheapies and he made at least one base running gaff.

 

Actually that gaff wasn't so bad. Rather than run directly into the out at second, Benintendi appeared to wisely slow up long enough to allow Bogaerts to score. I'll take that level of heads-up play from a rookie anyday.

[notin]

Good, then put a slower guy with a worse OBP up first. Sounds logical...

 

NOT!

 

Benintendi's OBP is .415. Pedroia's is .329.

[Spudboy]

Actually that gaff wasn't so bad. Rather than run directly into the out at second, Benintendi appeared to wisely slow up long enough to allow Bogaerts to score. I'll take that level of heads-up play from a rookie anyday.

 

Yes. I noticed that as well.

 

Although I believe Bogey was going to score anyway.

[notin]

Yes. I noticed that as well.

 

Although I believe Bogey was going to score anyway.

 

If Benintendi stops at first, yes. If Benintendi runs hard into second, probably. But I like how he at least made it a no doubter...

[Jasonbay44]

I would be okay with Beni hitting lead off, it should be him or Xander IMO.

[Nick]

Beni hits to all fields, he takes the approach of hit it where its pitched. He is more inclined to hit into double plays. I rather see him lead off. Xander is comfortable going to right side on any pitch. I like the hit and run with him and Beni on first.

 

Pedy has a mindset to drive in a run with runners in scoring position. He can hit in #5 spot for me. f*** THE RIGHTY/LEFTY STRATEGY.

[Bellhorn04]

Beni hits to all fields, he takes the approach of hit it where its pitched. He is more inclined to hit into double plays. I rather see him lead off. Xander is comfortable going to right side on any pitch. I like the hit and run with him and Beni on first.

 

Pedy has a mindset to drive in a run with runners in scoring position. He can hit in #5 spot for me. f*** THE RIGHTY/LEFTY STRATEGY.

 

Why f*** the righty/lefty strategy...it makes sense when you're into the other team's bullpen and they're trying to maximize lefty/lefty and right/righty matchups.

[Kimmi]

Now, do people agree he should lead off?

 

(Even when Pedey returns.)

 

If Beni continues to hit like this, then I'm all for it.

[Kimmi]

Why f*** the righty/lefty strategy...it makes sense when you're into the other team's bullpen and they're trying to maximize lefty/lefty and right/righty matchups.

 

The righty/lefty thing is probably more advantageous than all of these tweaks being suggested.

[cp176]

Beni hits to all fields, he takes the approach of hit it where its pitched. He is more inclined to hit into double plays. I rather see him lead off. Xander is comfortable going to right side on any pitch. I like the hit and run with him and Beni on first.

 

Pedy has a mindset to drive in a run with runners in scoring position. He can hit in #5 spot for me. f*** THE RIGHTY/LEFTY STRATEGY.

 

i do think that the righty lefty thing tends to get overdone, looks like it is here to stay though.

[mvp 78]

A gif of every Beni HR.

[Slasher9]

HoF

[Emp9]

I hate the Righty/Lefty thing. I want the Lefty/Righty thing.

[Kimmi]

Andrew is my favorite player on the team. I'm glad he's batting clean up. It's the most prestigious hitting slot and he's the most prestigious player.

 

He's got the cool hair. That, in and of itself, is worth putting him in the clean up spot.

[Kimmi]

i do think that the righty lefty thing tends to get overdone, looks like it is here to stay though.

 

Perhaps it does get overdone, because most of this hand wringing over the line up is unnecessary, but the right/lefty thing will likely be more advantageous to a team than all of the little tweaks that are proposed.

[Kimmi]

A gif of every Beni HR.

 

Cool.

[cp176]

Perhaps it does get overdone, because most of this hand wringing over the line up is unnecessary, but the right/lefty thing will likely be more advantageous to a team than all of the little tweaks that are proposed.

 

I think that you are right overall although everybody just jumps out of their shorts with every lineup change and the possibility of one happening.

[Bellhorn04]

I hate the Righty/Lefty thing. I want the Lefty/Righty thing.

 

Now that's funny.

[Bellhorn04]

Is it too early to start the Lock Up Beni thread?

[cp176]

Is it too early to start the Lock Up Beni thread?

 

No but it certainly can't be done until completion of the lockup threads that have been started with respect to all of the other guys whose last names start with B . He has to wait his turn.