The Benintendi Thread

[Bellhorn04]

Let's see what WAR says about this comparison with Fred Lynn.

 

In 1975 Lynn had a bWAR of 7.4 in 145 games.

Benintendi has a 1.3 bWAR in 31 games.

 

Extrapolating to 150 games:

 

Lynn 7.66

Benintendi 6.29

[mvp 78]

Let's see what WAR says about this comparison with Fred Lynn.

 

In 1975 Lynn had a bWAR of 7.4 in 145 games.

Benintendi has a 1.3 bWAR in 31 games.

 

Extrapolating to 150 games:

 

Lynn 7.66

Benintendi 6.29

 

Now if Beni didn't cut his hair last September, his BWAR would be way higher. Swoon...

[harmony]

Andrew Benintendi has been solid, ranking third among rookie outfielders in fWAR:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=40&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

[SoxHop]

Let's see what WAR says about this comparison with Fred Lynn.

 

In 1975 Lynn had a bWAR of 7.4 in 145 games.

Benintendi has a 1.3 bWAR in 31 games.

 

Extrapolating to 150 games:

 

Lynn 7.66

Benintendi 6.29

 

THX Bell.....

 

Lynn was crazy good his first year. Wasn't he rookie of the year and MVP of the year?

 

I just remmeber my Dad bitching about him always being hurt.....

[sk7326]

Defensively he might have a ways to go - although the talent is there ... but it is rather amazing that a kid in AA a year ago might very well be their best pure hitter.

[Bellhorn04]

Defensively he might have a ways to go - although the talent is there ... but it is rather amazing that a kid in AA a year ago might very well be their best pure hitter.

 

Better than Mookie?

[sk7326]

Better than Mookie?

 

Let me rephrase - Betts is their best player, and their most dangerous hitter.

 

But Benintendi might be their best hitter in terms of craft, taking great at-bats and such. I am thinking along the lines of Allen Craig before his body fell to pieces, or like Harold Baines of my youth.

[cp176]

Let me just say again as I have said before. - he is going to be good but he ain't no Freddie lynn. Anyone who thinks that there really is any comparison never saw Lynn play. it is possible i suppose that people have just forgotten how big and how smooth he really was. Beni is his own guy and i hope that he has a wonderful career but really is there another Fred Lynn that I don't know about? if you want to just state a stat line fine i guess.

[oldtimer]

Let me just say again as I have said before. - he is going to be good but he ain't no Freddie lynn. Anyone who thinks that there really is any comparison never saw Lynn play. it is possible i suppose that people have just forgotten how big and how smooth he really was. Beni is his own guy and i hope that he has a wonderful career but really is there another Fred Lynn that I don't know about? if you want to just state a stat line fine i guess.

 

Beni's gone into a mini-slump. He is still making contact most at bats but without results. Hope his luck improves as a long term slump might impact his confidence.

[a700hitter]

Beni's gone into a mini-slump. He is still making contact most at bats but without results. Hope his luck improves as a long term slump might impact his confidence.

4 games without a hit is a slump.

[jad]

6 games. 0-21 (or thereabouts). This is JBJ-esque, or like those infamous periods (two years ago?) when Xander couldn't get a bat on the ball.

[devildavid]

One thing I love about Benintendi so far is that his numbers are not being positively skewed by Fenway Park. In his short sample so far he is hitting a bit better away from Fenway.

 

Fred Lynn absolutely raked at Fenway. If he had played there for his entire career his numbers might have been HOF worthy. And also if he hadn't been so injury prone.

[SoxHop]

Let me just say again as I have said before. - he is going to be good but he ain't no Freddie lynn. Anyone who thinks that there really is any comparison never saw Lynn play. it is possible i suppose that people have just forgotten how big and how smooth he really was. Beni is his own guy and i hope that he has a wonderful career but really is there another Fred Lynn that I don't know about? if you want to just state a stat line fine i guess.

 

I thought somone who saw Lynn would say that. Rookie of the year, and MVP the same year. That is insane.

 

My Dad couldn't stand him though. ALthough he didn't much like people not from the east coast. And couldn't stand people from Texas. Man o man did my Dad hate Clemens...

[cp176]

I thought somone who saw Lynn would say that. Rookie of the year, and MVP the same year. That is insane.

 

My Dad couldn't stand him though. ALthough he didn't much like people not from the east coast. And couldn't stand people from Texas. Man o man did my Dad hate Clemens...

 

i bet I would have like your Dad. i thought that in 1975, Rice was going to win one of those awards and i will forever think that with him in our lineup in 1975 we would have beaten the Reds. watching those two play together in the same lineup during that 75 season was incredible. rice was literally all power with and emphasis on the word power. lynn was one of the smoothest bigger players that i have ever seen. rice = effort and power - lynn = silk like smooth

[cp176]

I thought somone who saw Lynn would say that. Rookie of the year, and MVP the same year. That is insane.

 

My Dad couldn't stand him though. ALthough he didn't much like people not from the east coast. And couldn't stand people from Texas. Man o man did my Dad hate Clemens...

 

when lynn was healthy and playing at full speed there were very few if any players that compared to him. looking at his career as a whole and averaging out what he accomplished might to some make him look like a player who was just a little bit better than good. For those of us who saw this guy play, i hope the tendency is to focus on what he did over the course of his healthy seasons when he played for us. i'm trying to think who i would place ahead of him historically in center field for us. guess i can't come up with anybody. Not close. He gets the nod. In my mind's memory, I can still see him out there. he just glided - it really didn't look like running. Swinging the bat for him looked just as effortless. his rhythm and timing were both incredible. He had a PGA tour swing at the plate. The beauty of it was that he was accompanied by other great players on those mid 1970's teams as well.

[cp176]

Beni's gone into a mini-slump. He is still making contact most at bats but without results. Hope his luck improves as a long term slump might impact his confidence.

 

Batting him in the cleanup spot is ridiculous. Traditionally it is a position reserved for power bats from whom homers and lots of rbi's are expected from. The avalanche might start of how batting order doesn't make a difference and what the perfect placement might be for all of our hitters but the fact remains - players tend to be traditional. This kid worked hard to put on what maybe 10 pounds of muscle during the off season. He is going to hit and maybe for some power but batting him 4th in your lineup is placing some performance expectations on him that he just might not be ready to produce. he is a good hitter who is going to hit better. Don't try to make him out to be something he may never be.

[Emp9]

Batting him in the cleanup spot is ridiculous. Traditionally it is a position reserved for power bats from whom homers and lots of rbi's are expected from. The avalanche might start of how batting order doesn't make a difference and what the perfect placement might be for all of our hitters but the fact remains - players tend to be traditional. This kid worked hard to put on what maybe 10 pounds of muscle during the off season. He is going to hit and maybe for some power but batting him 4th in your lineup is placing some performance expectations on him that he just might not be ready to produce. he is a good hitter who is going to hit better. Don't try to make him out to be something he may never be.

 

I agree with this.

 

For me, this is one of the biggest disconnects I have with Farrell... his lineups. If anything, Beni leading-off would've been the best spot for him. More pressure? Sure, but not as much as batting Clean-up would, plus leading-off played to his actual strengths.

[jad]

I don't think B's 0-7 games is a function of where he hits in the lineup.

[Emp9]

I don't think B's 0-7 games is a function of where he hits in the lineup.

 

Maybe, maybe not. I happen to think it's played a part. Regardless, it still doesn't make much baseball sense having him as clean-up and not lead-off. Slump or no slump.

[Bellhorn04]

Farrell moved Beni from the 2 spot to the 4 spot starting with the second game of the Minny series. The lineup changes were made because the team was having a horrendous time scoring runs. They've been scoring more runs since they changed the lineup. Beni went nuts the first 3 games at cleanup, then suddenly went into this hitless streak.

[illinoisredsox]

I'm not saying he shouldn't be moved out of the cleanup spot, but who do you put in there? It's not like this team has been raking top to bottom with one guy not hitting.

 

Hanley would be a good choice if he's healthy, but is he?

 

Betts would be the other possibility, but he's so good in the #1 hole I would be hesitant to move him.

 

So who?

[Slasher9]

Now if Beni didn't cut his hair last September, his BWAR would be way higher. Swoon...

 

agree 100%. what was he thinking??? do NOT mess with baseball mojo.....

[Slasher9]

I thought somone who saw Lynn would say that. Rookie of the year, and MVP the same year. That is insane.

 

My Dad couldn't stand him though. ALthough he didn't much like people not from the east coast. And couldn't stand people from Texas. Man o man did my Dad hate Clemens...

 

i like your dad....

[Emp9]

I'm not saying he shouldn't be moved out of the cleanup spot, but who do you put in there? It's not like this team has been raking top to bottom with one guy not hitting.

 

Hanley would be a good choice if he's healthy, but is he?

 

Betts would be the other possibility, but he's so good in the #1 hole I would be hesitant to move him.

 

So who?

 

Hanley, as much as possible. He should be healthy, he's had a lot of rest as of late.

 

Beni should lead-off vs RH SPers, and XB should lead-off vs LH SPers ( career .357 OBP vs LH SPers should be adequate ) until XB, if ever, develops more power, is my thinking. That gives Beni some looks in the 2 or 3 hole 1/3rd of the time.

[harmony]

Maybe my expectations for Beni aren't as high as some people's. I'd be moderately happy with a WAR of ~2 for a first year player, although I do think that's close to being his floor.

Despite his recent slump, Andrew Benintendi is on pace to exceed 2 fWAR after posting 0.6 fWAR approaching the quarter mark of the season:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=17901&position=OF

 

I would note that three rookie outfielders for the struggling Seattle Mariners have posted higher fWAR than Benintendi this season (in significantly fewer games) :

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&page=2_30

Edited May 18, 2017 by harmony

[Kimmi]

Batting him in the cleanup spot is ridiculous. Traditionally it is a position reserved for power bats from whom homers and lots of rbi's are expected from. The avalanche might start of how batting order doesn't make a difference and what the perfect placement might be for all of our hitters but the fact remains - players tend to be traditional. This kid worked hard to put on what maybe 10 pounds of muscle during the off season. He is going to hit and maybe for some power but batting him 4th in your lineup is placing some performance expectations on him that he just might not be ready to produce. he is a good hitter who is going to hit better. Don't try to make him out to be something he may never be.

 

Well I wouldn't call it ridiculous, but I agree that he should be moved out of the clean up spot. No, batting order doesn't make that much of a difference, but I think the expectations on Beni are too lofty. He's just a kid with almost no major league experience. He's handled things well so far, but take him out of the clean up spot and take some of the expectations off of his shoulders until he has a little more experience.

[Emp9]

Despite his recent slump, Andrew Benintendi is on pace to exceed 2 fWAR after posting 0.6 fWAR approaching the quarter mark of the season:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=17901&position=OF

 

I would note that three rookie outfielders for the struggling Seattle Mariners have posted higher fWAR than Benintendi this season (in significantly fewer games) :

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&page=2_30

 

When's your boy Haniger get back? My fantasy team misses him. Him & Paxton

[harmony]

When's your boy Haniger get back? My fantasy team misses him. Him & Paxton

Mitch Haniger may return this weekend:

 

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/mlb/seattle-mariners/article151126637.html

 

... and James Paxton soon thereafter:

 

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/james-paxton-leads-a-better-mariners-injury-report-for-thursday/

[Emp9]

Mitch Haniger may return this weekend:

 

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/mlb/seattle-mariners/article151126637.html

 

... and James Paxton soon thereafter:

 

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/james-paxton-leads-a-better-mariners-injury-report-for-thursday/

 

oh, I see, just in time for the Boston series. Thats, that's just great lol

[oldtimer]

The lineup tonight will have Beni on the bench and Young in the game. Perhaps a little time off will help him get his confidence back.