Ellsbury to Yankees

[rjortiz]

You guys couldn't be funnier. Seriously, giving 10 years to Robinson Cano was not a mistake? How can anybody think that? The guy is going to be 31 years old prior to the season. He is going to finish his contract at 41 years old. Have we not learned our lesson for 10 year contracts on players that are past the age of 30? How did that Alex Rodriguez deal look? Let's try and be consistent. The person in question is 31 years old. He may be a great player, he is even an MVP caliber player. But he is not worth a 10 year contract. The Yankees offered a higher average annual value, connoted the increase guaranteed money. And how stupid is it to offer Robinson Cano 30 million a year for seven years? That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The counteroffer that the Yankees were given was a 10 year $235 million deal. The Yankees were right in making the decision that they did. The Mariners offer this contract in an attempt to draw it premier player to Seattle. They are fully aware that the player is not going to be worth it for the last half of the contract, but they don't care. I do find it rather hilarious that the same people who were complaining about the long-term deals given to Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez are recommending the Yankees do the same for Robinson can know. A little consistency would help

 

And if they did, you know Behindenemylines would be talking about the $panks buying all of baseball.

[Behindenemylines]

And if they did, you know Behindenemylines would be talking about the $panks buying all of baseball.

 

I will pledge not to say that again if the $panks stay with their 189 million pledge. A budget is only a budget if you stick to it.

[mvp 78]

2 things.

 

1. Sometimes you must overpay to get or keep great talent. Dustin Pedroia's are rare in this day and age.

 

2. It's only a stupid contract if you cannot afford it or if said player tanks, so does your team. I think we all know the Yankees can throw 3 more of these contracts out there and not bat an eye.

 

Is ellsbury overpaid? f*** yeah. Every one of these baseball players makes more than I do, and I save lives for a living, lol. But if the Yankees can afford it, then haggling over the financials is kinda silly. Now if the Yankees come out and throw that fiscal responsibility garbage out there and don't fill out their team, then I'll back the arguments here.

 

Ellsbury is a good player who had one great season. In Yankee stadium, he could be great. He's being paid to be great. And his loss hurts the sox on December 4th. The offseason is a month in. I'd preach patience to everyone, neither team is done

 

Can’t believe how much Jacko “hated” this move from day 1!!!

 

Amazing.

[Slasher9]

can’t believe how much jacko “hated” this move from day 1!!!

 

Amazing.

 

boom.

[mvp 78]

Find a partner who hates you as much as Jacko did for the Ellsbury deal. True love.

[moonslav59]

Can’t believe how much Jacko “hated” this move from day 1!!!

 

Amazing.

 

LOL!

 

Many of us Sox fans knew it was not going to "hurt the Sox" by losing him.

[Hitch]

Can’t believe how much Jacko “hated” this move from day 1!!!

 

Amazing.

 

Pahaha

[jacksonianmarch]

Can’t believe how much Jacko “hated” this move from day 1!!!

 

Amazing.

 

How often am I really excited about a Yankees move? Rather consistently. How excited do I sound in that post? Patience? Lol. I hated that move and I actually remember the first time I saw the screen on rotoworld. I literally did a face palm before trying to convince myself it wasn’t a total f***ing disaster

[jacksonianmarch]

The only thing I am absolutely 100% grateful about is that this move was the final “go over Cashman’s head” move. Boras going to Levine was the final straw and was the winning argument for Cashman to take over full control. I’m grateful for that

[moonslav59]

The only thing I am absolutely 100% grateful about is that this move was the final “go over Cashman’s head” move. Boras going to Levine was the final straw and was the winning argument for Cashman to take over full control. I’m grateful for that

 

Us Sox fans are grateful, too.

[TylerD]

Us Sox fans are grateful, too.

 

Lol, truth!

[Bellhorn04]

It's fun to gloat about Ellsbury, but I'm not sure we would want to see a head to head comparison between the Sox & Yankees on which team has flushed the most money down the toilet over the last 10 years or so.

[notin]

It's fun to gloat about Ellsbury, but I'm not sure we would want to see a head to head comparison between the Sox & Yankees on which team has flushed the most money down the toilet over the last 10 years or so.

 

Or even a poll - like bigger bust: Crawford or Ellsbury? Looked at that way, Ellsbury wasn’t so bad...

[mvp 78]

It's fun to gloat about Ellsbury, but I'm not sure we would want to see a head to head comparison between the Sox & Yankees on which team has flushed the most money down the toilet over the last 10 years or so.

 

Flags fly forever.

[moonslav59]

It's fun to gloat about Ellsbury, but I'm not sure we would want to see a head to head comparison between the Sox & Yankees on which team has flushed the most money down the toilet over the last 10 years or so.

 

It would be close: Ellsbury, Tex, ARod2, CC 2, plus some big money guys they trades for and who flopped

[moonslav59]

It's fun to gloat about Ellsbury, but I'm not sure we would want to see a head to head comparison between the Sox & Yankees on which team has flushed the most money down the toilet over the last 10 years or so.

 

Or even a poll - like bigger bust: Crawford or Ellsbury? Looked at that way, Ellsbury wasn’t so bad...

 

Maybe CCs numbers were better

[Bellhorn04]

Flags fly forever.

 

Oh yeah - my signature line means a lot to me.

[jad]

Yankees now (of course) trying to renege on a contract Ellsbury signed in good faith, just as they tried to screw A-rod out of his guaranteed contract. This is why you have a players union, and this is why that union does not (and absolutely should not) trust ownership.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28335129/mlbpa-files-grievance-yankees-behalf-jacoby-ellsbury

[Tedballgame]

Yankees now (of course) trying to renege on a contract Ellsbury signed in good faith, just as they tried to screw A-rod out of his guaranteed contract. This is why you have a players union, and this is why that union does not (and absolutely should not) trust ownership.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28335129/mlbpa-files-grievance-yankees-behalf-jacoby-ellsbury

 

Yankees are a bunch of cheapskates! Ellsbury earned his money. Pay the man!

[bkzwhitestrican]

If ellsbury went to a doctor without approval from the Yankees and then re-aggravated one of his numerous injuries as a result, I think he's not getting his $26m. Maybe they'll both settle at a lower number.

[jacksonianmarch]

I do wonder if the Yanks may win this one. They haven't done this with other players as far as I can remember, and clearly the non sanctioned treatment didn't help as Ellsbury missed two seasons with various ailments. If the Yanks do win this one, that is $21.2 mil back on the LT line. That jumps us below the final threshold

[Elktonnick]

I do wonder if the Yanks may win this one. They haven't done this with other players as far as I can remember, and clearly the non sanctioned treatment didn't help as Ellsbury missed two seasons with various ailments. If the Yanks do win this one, that is $21.2 mil back on the LT line. That jumps us below the final threshold

I think the Yankees have a case. Ellsbury should be suing whomever advised him to seek medical treatment not Yankee sanctioned.

[moonslav59]

If ellsbury went to a doctor without approval from the Yankees and then re-aggravated one of his numerous injuries as a result, I think he's not getting his $26m. Maybe they'll both settle at a lower number.

 

It will be hard to prove the unsanctioned treatment led to an aggrevation or re-injury, but maybe they don'y have to prove it.

 

If Ellsbury did everything the team asked and just did extra stuff on his own, I can't see him losing this case. His side claims they notified the Yanks he was going to do this and that, and since they did not tell him not to, that was essentially giving their okay.

 

Better legal minds may have deeper insights, but I doubt the Yanks win.

[jacksonianmarch]

It will be hard to prove the unsanctioned treatment led to an aggrevation or re-injury, but maybe they don'y have to prove it.

 

If Ellsbury did everything the team asked and just did extra stuff on his own, I can't see him losing this case. His side claims they notified the Yanks he was going to do this and that, and since they did not tell him not to, that was essentially giving their okay.

 

Better legal minds may have deeper insights, but I doubt the Yanks win.

 

Ellsbury is claiming the consent was implied. Yanks are saying they never gave consent. Notifying someone you are going to do something is not "getting consent". Getting consent is having the team explicitly tell you "Yes" for the action being performed. Trust me, I have to consent people ALL THE TIME. It is not enough to tell someone what you are doing. You must go over the reason, the risks, the benefits, and the location then have the party sign or verbally acknowledge consent. In terms of legal consent (we do this now because of the legal interpretation of consent) Ellsbury did not get it from the Yankees. Seeking outside medical treatment without consent is likely prohibited in the contract and my bet is the Yanks are claiming a breach of contract

[jad]

It will be hard to prove the unsanctioned treatment led to an aggrevation or re-injury, but maybe they don'y have to prove it.

 

If Ellsbury did everything the team asked and just did extra stuff on his own, I can't see him losing this case. His side claims they notified the Yanks he was going to do this and that, and since they did not tell him not to, that was essentially giving their okay.

 

Better legal minds may have deeper insights, but I doubt the Yanks win.

 

NYC has no case. This is obviously a move to bilk a player of guaranteed money, and it's roughly the same thing they tried w/ A-rod. I hope minimally the Union sends the same type of letter the NFL players union sent to its members about Coughlin and the Jags.

[moonslav59]

Ellsbury is claiming the consent was implied. Yanks are saying they never gave consent. Notifying someone you are going to do something is not "getting consent". Getting consent is having the team explicitly tell you "Yes" for the action being performed. Trust me, I have to consent people ALL THE TIME. It is not enough to tell someone what you are doing. You must go over the reason, the risks, the benefits, and the location then have the party sign or verbally acknowledge consent. In terms of legal consent (we do this now because of the legal interpretation of consent) Ellsbury did not get it from the Yankees. Seeking outside medical treatment without consent is likely prohibited in the contract and my bet is the Yanks are claiming a breach of contract

 

I think you're wrong. I guess Ellsbury and his legal team are not that dumb. If the treatment he got did not interfere with the treatment he was getting through consent, I can't see how the Yanks win.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think you're wrong. I guess Ellsbury and his legal team are not that dumb. If the treatment he got did not interfere with the treatment he was getting through consent, I can't see how the Yanks win.

 

This will be litigated. The truth will come out. If Ellsbury got consent or didn’t violate his contract, then I hope he gets paid

[moonslav59]

This will be litigated. The truth will come out. If Ellsbury got consent or didn’t violate his contract, then I hope he gets paid

 

It's also possible he never got explicit consent and still wins.

[jad]

It's also possible he never got explicit consent and still wins.

 

Of course he should get paid. Guaranteed contracts are meaningless if they can essentially be voided any time you, say, go to a doctor or talk to one without permission.

[moonslav59]

Of course he should get paid. Guaranteed contracts are meaningless if they can essentially be voided any time you, say, go to a doctor or talk to one without permission.

 

I don't know all the facts, but I think he'll get paid.

 

It will be up to the Yanks to prove what he had done went against their treatment plans.

 

Would he need permission to get a massage? To take an Aspirin? To get in a heated whirlpool?